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Who would you vote for?

Labour
342
20%
Conservatives
346
20%
Ukip
394
23%
Greens
246
14%
Liberal Democrats
149
9%
SNP
77
5%
Plaid Cymru
32
2%
Respect
35
2%
Other (please state)
79
5%
 
Total votes : 1700

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Alyakia
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Postby Alyakia » Tue Mar 24, 2015 10:02 am

Liberty and Linguistics wrote:
Arglorand wrote:You may want to reload that page and scroll down to see the actually decent reasons cited for why voting for UKIP as a concept is plainly stupid.



I missed the bottom of the page, apologies. Again, voting UKIP is a bad choice. Hell, I wrote a factbook on it, spending hours documenting all of the UKIP's silly policies.


i can't see it...
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British Home Counties
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Postby British Home Counties » Tue Mar 24, 2015 10:04 am

Arglorand wrote:
British Home Counties wrote:
Why?

I know quite a few Polish people who want to vote UKIP, cause their policies will backfire.

Tell those Polish people that their equally Polish kinsman from Wilno is urging them to reconsider their suicidal life choices. I know how difficult the UK is sometimes, but I'm sure there's something worth living for.


I have no idea what you just said.

I can't see UKIP as being a negative to Poles in the UK. It may prevent future Poles, but I doubt they will deport anyone. Unless they go full genocidal they're only a benefit.

Employment discrimination based on nationality would potentially be the most Pro-Polish law in the history of the UK, if you think about it for more than 5 seconds. Unemployment for natives would likely go up, that's the backfiring policy that simultaneously triggered tonnes of discussions on PL websites where everyone agreed that's a dumb law from a native British perspective, as it only excludes them from the workforce.
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Alyakia
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Democratic Socialists

Postby Alyakia » Tue Mar 24, 2015 10:08 am

British Home Counties wrote:
Arglorand wrote:Tell those Polish people that their equally Polish kinsman from Wilno is urging them to reconsider their suicidal life choices. I know how difficult the UK is sometimes, but I'm sure there's something worth living for.


I have no idea what you just said.

I can't see UKIP as being a negative to Poles in the UK. It may prevent future Poles, but I doubt they will deport anyone. Unless they go full genocidal they're only a benefit.

Employment discrimination based on nationality would potentially be the most Pro-Polish law in the history of the UK, if you think about it for more than 5 seconds. Unemployment for natives would likely go up, that's the backfiring policy that simultaneously triggered tonnes of discussions on PL websites where everyone agreed that's a dumb law from a native British perspective, as it only excludes them from the workforce.


you really can't see how "we have too many poles" might, just might, on some random off-chance, be bad for poles in the UK?
pro: good
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Alyakia
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Democratic Socialists

Postby Alyakia » Tue Mar 24, 2015 10:09 am

apparently kelvin fucking mackenzie has come out and said that the language media uses can demonize people and harm them, which i'm honestly still struggling to process. it's like hitler himself came up from hell and said "y'know, those jews are actually alright. shalom."
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British Home Counties
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Postby British Home Counties » Tue Mar 24, 2015 10:10 am

Alyakia wrote:
British Home Counties wrote:
I have no idea what you just said.

I can't see UKIP as being a negative to Poles in the UK. It may prevent future Poles, but I doubt they will deport anyone. Unless they go full genocidal they're only a benefit.

Employment discrimination based on nationality would potentially be the most Pro-Polish law in the history of the UK, if you think about it for more than 5 seconds. Unemployment for natives would likely go up, that's the backfiring policy that simultaneously triggered tonnes of discussions on PL websites where everyone agreed that's a dumb law from a native British perspective, as it only excludes them from the workforce.


you really can't see how "we have too many poles" might, just might, on some random off-chance, be bad for poles in the UK?


How?

There's two options:

1) A barrier to future Poles immigrating into the UK. For Poles already in the UK, does anyone actually care?

2) A mass deportation of Poles. How likely is this? And considering that the majority already have a residence permit and naturalization numbers are growing (from experience, can't find stats), how likely is that at this point?
Participants of Frankfurt Riots who do not pay taxes should have their welfare stripped from them for 5 years as a punishment for destroying tax-funded projects.

"Everyone wants to cut down on government, provided that those things he has an interest in are maintained."
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Calling Poland, Czech Republic, Slovakia, Slovenia and Hungary "Eastern European" is an insult.

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Arglorand
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Postby Arglorand » Tue Mar 24, 2015 10:11 am

British Home Counties wrote:
Arglorand wrote:Tell those Polish people that their equally Polish kinsman from Wilno is urging them to reconsider their suicidal life choices. I know how difficult the UK is sometimes, but I'm sure there's something worth living for.


I have no idea what you just said.

Seems to happen often. You might want to pick up extra English language classes. I gather life is difficult as an immigrant in the UK enough as it is, you might not want to give UKIP another reason to hate you by failing to understand simple English
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Alyakia
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Democratic Socialists

Postby Alyakia » Tue Mar 24, 2015 10:12 am

British Home Counties wrote:
Alyakia wrote:
you really can't see how "we have too many poles" might, just might, on some random off-chance, be bad for poles in the UK?


How?

There's two options:

1) A barrier to future Poles immigrating into the UK. For Poles already in the UK, does anyone actually care?

2) A mass deportation of Poles. How likely is this? And considering that the majority already have a residence permit and naturalization numbers are growing (from experience, can't find stats), how likely is that at this point?


political rheotic has a real effect on peoples lives. you don't need to be rounding up immigrants for a societal shift towards fuck immigrants to be bad for you.
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Postby British Home Counties » Tue Mar 24, 2015 10:13 am

Arglorand wrote:
British Home Counties wrote:
I have no idea what you just said.

Seems to happen often. You might want to pick up extra English language classes. I gather life is difficult as an immigrant in the UK enough as it is, you might not want to give UKIP another reason to hate you by failing to understand simple English


Kiss my A in GCSE English and Literature then.

I have no idea what you're saying and at this point I don't really care. Can't see how Lithuania is relevant here.
Participants of Frankfurt Riots who do not pay taxes should have their welfare stripped from them for 5 years as a punishment for destroying tax-funded projects.

"Everyone wants to cut down on government, provided that those things he has an interest in are maintained."
A student from Polonia who lives in the UK. Came here in 2004 when Nigel Farage personally gave me flowers (sc). Economics: Friedmanomics. Religion: Bill Maherism. Social: Arizonian Libertarianism (but by god do not call me a liberal, that's an insult.)

Calling Poland, Czech Republic, Slovakia, Slovenia and Hungary "Eastern European" is an insult.

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Arglorand
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Postby Arglorand » Tue Mar 24, 2015 10:15 am

British Home Counties wrote:
Arglorand wrote:Seems to happen often. You might want to pick up extra English language classes. I gather life is difficult as an immigrant in the UK enough as it is, you might not want to give UKIP another reason to hate you by failing to understand simple English


Kiss my A in GCSE English and Literature then.

I have no idea what you're saying and at this point I don't really care. Can't see how Lithuania is relevant here.

The horrific rumours I heard about the British education system are true, then.

I don't have any idea what you're saying either. How is Lithuania relevant? Are you talking about how I mentioned I'm from Vilnius? That's not relevant at all. I'd say you're grasping at straws, but to grasp at straws, you need to first have a point that you're trying to back up with straws at all.
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Kosovo is Morrowind. N'wah.
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Postby British Home Counties » Tue Mar 24, 2015 10:20 am

Arglorand wrote:
British Home Counties wrote:
Kiss my A in GCSE English and Literature then.

I have no idea what you're saying and at this point I don't really care. Can't see how Lithuania is relevant here.

The horrific rumours I heard about the British education system are true, then.

I don't have any idea what you're saying either. How is Lithuania relevant? Are you talking about how I mentioned I'm from Vilnius? That's not relevant at all. I'd say you're grasping at straws, but to grasp at straws, you need to first have a point that you're trying to back up with straws at all.


Your language is interesting but your content is execrable.

Yes indeed it's horrible, most people can't differentiate between "there", they're" and "their" so at least I had the joy of taking private education for all those benefit monies I get from Farage & Co.
Participants of Frankfurt Riots who do not pay taxes should have their welfare stripped from them for 5 years as a punishment for destroying tax-funded projects.

"Everyone wants to cut down on government, provided that those things he has an interest in are maintained."
A student from Polonia who lives in the UK. Came here in 2004 when Nigel Farage personally gave me flowers (sc). Economics: Friedmanomics. Religion: Bill Maherism. Social: Arizonian Libertarianism (but by god do not call me a liberal, that's an insult.)

Calling Poland, Czech Republic, Slovakia, Slovenia and Hungary "Eastern European" is an insult.

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Postby Alimprad » Tue Mar 24, 2015 10:26 am

its National Socialists for me. :rofl:
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Dejanic
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Postby Dejanic » Tue Mar 24, 2015 10:28 am

Alimprad wrote:its National Socialists for me. :rofl:

Ukip?
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Postby Dejanic » Tue Mar 24, 2015 10:35 am

Similarities between the Nazis and UKIP.

Both exploit left wing and right wing fears to gain support.
Both have oddly left/right wing quotes which seem to contradict each other (Hitler wanting Socialism, and then later on proudly supporting big business and Capitalism. Farage wanting to privatise the NHS, and then wanting to triple the funding and out left wing Labour)
Both support the militarisation of society. (40 percent increase in Military spending Mr Farage?)
Both movements are commonly found in Austrian Beer Halls/Kent Pubs.
Both hate the Poles.
Both movements attempt/attempted to strike fear into the hearts of their citizens, claiming there was/is going to be an impending Communist revolution/EU takeover/federalization attempt.
Both groups blame political correctness for all that is wrong with society.
Both groups find vunerable groups to blame societies problems on. (The Jews/Disabled/Muslims).

Anymore?
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Postby Liberty and Linguistics » Tue Mar 24, 2015 11:11 am

Alyakia wrote:
Liberty and Linguistics wrote:

I missed the bottom of the page, apologies. Again, voting UKIP is a bad choice. Hell, I wrote a factbook on it, spending hours documenting all of the UKIP's silly policies.


i can't see it...


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Postby Atlanticatia » Tue Mar 24, 2015 11:15 am

Dejanic wrote:Similarities between the Nazis and UKIP.

Both exploit left wing and right wing fears to gain support.
Both have oddly left/right wing quotes which seem to contradict each other (Hitler wanting Socialism, and then later on proudly supporting big business and Capitalism. Farage wanting to privatise the NHS, and then wanting to triple the funding and out left wing Labour)
Both support the militarisation of society. (40 percent increase in Military spending Mr Farage?)
Both movements are commonly found in Austrian Beer Halls/Kent Pubs.
Both hate the Poles.
Both movements attempt/attempted to strike fear into the hearts of their citizens, claiming there was/is going to be an impending Communist revolution/EU takeover/federalization attempt.
Both groups blame political correctness for all that is wrong with society.
Both groups find vunerable groups to blame societies problems on. (The Jews/Disabled/Muslims).

Anymore?


Well, UKIP is basically a gentler, less extreme version of BNP, essentially. And BNP is basically a fascist/Nazi party, so it's fitting that UKIP has some similarities..

Arglorand wrote:
Evil Lord Sauron wrote:
This.

Quite worrying that the poll here is so high for a UKIP vote.

Granted, most American Republicans and such probably find them the equivalent of a "moderate conservative voice, quite like Romney".


UKIP is probably to the left and more social liberal than a good chunk of the GOP. Which is sad.
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Postby Vyvland » Tue Mar 24, 2015 11:49 am

British Home Counties wrote:Kiss my A in GCSE English and Literature then.

jesus christ did you really just say that
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Postby Conscentia » Tue Mar 24, 2015 12:11 pm

British Home Counties wrote:
Arglorand wrote:Tell those Polish people that their equally Polish kinsman from Wilno is urging them to reconsider their suicidal life choices. I know how difficult the UK is sometimes, but I'm sure there's something worth living for.

I have no idea what you just said. [...]

What's not to understand?

Perhaps this will clarify:
"Tell those Polish people [, those "few Polish people" aforementioned by you,] that their equally Polish [kinsmen] from Wilno [are] urging them to reconsider their suicidal life choices. I know how difficult the UK is sometimes, but I'm sure there's something worth living for."
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Democratic Socialists

Postby Alyakia » Tue Mar 24, 2015 12:18 pm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7zsi-g4JpvY

i think we figured out why cameron is scared of a debate
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Psychotic Dictatorship

Postby Lunas Legion » Tue Mar 24, 2015 12:18 pm

Conscentia wrote:
British Home Counties wrote:I have no idea what you just said. [...]

What's not to understand?

Perhaps this will clarify:
"Tell those Polish people [, those "few Polish people" aforementioned by you,] that their equally Polish kinsman from Wilno [are] urging them to reconsider their suicidal life choices. I know how difficult the UK is sometimes, but I'm sure there's something worth living for."


Are? Shouldn't that be is? Because (Wilno are urging them to) or (Wilno urging them to) don't make grammatical sense.
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Postby Dejanic » Tue Mar 24, 2015 12:21 pm

Lunas Legion wrote:
Conscentia wrote:What's not to understand?

Perhaps this will clarify:
"Tell those Polish people [, those "few Polish people" aforementioned by you,] that their equally Polish kinsman from Wilno [are] urging them to reconsider their suicidal life choices. I know how difficult the UK is sometimes, but I'm sure there's something worth living for."


Are? Shouldn't that be is? Because (Wilno are urging them to) or (Wilno urging them to) don't make grammatical sense.

Don't you mean "doesn't make grammatical sense".
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Postby Democratic Koyro » Tue Mar 24, 2015 12:23 pm

British Home Counties wrote:
Arglorand wrote:Seems to happen often. You might want to pick up extra English language classes. I gather life is difficult as an immigrant in the UK enough as it is, you might not want to give UKIP another reason to hate you by failing to understand simple English


Kiss my A in GCSE English and Literature then.

I have no idea what you're saying and at this point I don't really care. Can't see how Lithuania is relevant here.


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Postby Conscentia » Tue Mar 24, 2015 12:24 pm

Lunas Legion wrote:
Conscentia wrote:What's not to understand?

Perhaps this will clarify:
"Tell those Polish people [, those "few Polish people" aforementioned by you,] that their equally Polish kinsman from Wilno [are] urging them to reconsider their suicidal life choices. I know how difficult the UK is sometimes, but I'm sure there's something worth living for."


Are? Shouldn't that be is? Because (Wilno are urging them to) or (Wilno urging them to) don't make grammatical sense.

Wilno is a city, sir.
And Wilno isn't doing the urging. People from there are.

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Psychotic Dictatorship

Postby Lunas Legion » Tue Mar 24, 2015 12:24 pm

Dejanic wrote:
Lunas Legion wrote:
Are? Shouldn't that be is? Because (Wilno are urging them to) or (Wilno urging them to) don't make grammatical sense.

Don't you mean "doesn't make grammatical sense".


I don't even know any more. But, yes, it would be doesn't rather than don't.

Urgh. I'm too tired for arguments over syntax.
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Postby Dragonir » Tue Mar 24, 2015 12:25 pm

Id vote ukip disillusioned with labour too weak doesn't represent working class only rich environmentalists

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