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Postby Fartsniffage » Thu Oct 23, 2014 5:40 pm

Anglo-California wrote:
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I consider it a foul if the reason for the decrease in the desire for a service is based on anything other than their ability to provide the service or due to a decrease in the desire for the service as a whole.


Why does it matter to you? Sure, it's a sound business policy, but again why do you care? Are you personally invested in non-white cab drivers?


Not particularly outside of a general desire to see a generally pleasant society where people are judged by their talents and abilities rather than the colour of their skin.

However, I am invested in the area I live in and increased racial tensions do nothing to improve the area. Rochdale is pretty much on my doorstep....

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Postby Romic » Thu Oct 23, 2014 5:41 pm

I work in a convience store and I have hispanic customers request someone that speaks spanish. I however do know enough spanish to help the customer they protest. (Since I am the only person here at night) I tell them no one else is here. They generally leave and don't come back. Things like this happen all the time here and in surrounding areas to the point they request only hispanic workers. So it is not an isolated issue of one race. It's all over.
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Postby Anglo-California » Thu Oct 23, 2014 5:44 pm

Fartsniffage wrote:
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Why does it matter to you? Sure, it's a sound business policy, but again why do you care? Are you personally invested in non-white cab drivers?


Not particularly outside of a general desire to see a generally pleasant society where people are judged by their talents and abilities rather than the colour of their skin.


Humans self-segregate themselves and prefer their own kind implicitly all of the time. It's just how we are.

Fartsniffage wrote:However, I am invested in the area I live in and increased racial tensions do nothing to improve the area. Rochdale is pretty much on my doorstep....


How would racial tensions increase?

The only thing that would piss people off would be if the government forced an either-or decisions here.
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Postby Alyakia » Thu Oct 23, 2014 5:44 pm

Anglo-California wrote:
Fartsniffage wrote:
Not particularly outside of a general desire to see a generally pleasant society where people are judged by their talents and abilities rather than the colour of their skin.


Humans self-segregate themselves and prefer their own kind implicitly all of the time. It's just how we are.

Fartsniffage wrote:However, I am invested in the area I live in and increased racial tensions do nothing to improve the area. Rochdale is pretty much on my doorstep....


How would racial tensions increase?


*black driver shows up*
"sorry i want a white guy"

figure it out.
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Postby Anglo-California » Thu Oct 23, 2014 5:47 pm

Alyakia wrote:
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Humans self-segregate themselves and prefer their own kind implicitly all of the time. It's just how we are.



How would racial tensions increase?


*black driver shows up*
"sorry i want a white guy"

figure it out.


*black driver shows up*
"sorry I want a white guy"
*black driver drives away*
*white driver shows up*

or

*black driver shows up*
"Sorry I want a white guy*
"Sorry our company doesn't allow for such requests"
"Okay, I'll wait for another cab"/"Eh who cares? Take me to Madison Avenue"


Yes, the racial tensions are boiling here.
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Postby Grand Britannia » Thu Oct 23, 2014 5:47 pm

Alcase wrote:Lol like a $25 charge for white drivers, that would cause profits to skyrocket


Oh, good thing I wasn't the only one thinking about profit- I mean *cough* business opportunities.
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Postby Alyakia » Thu Oct 23, 2014 5:50 pm

Anglo-California wrote:
Alyakia wrote:
*black driver shows up*
"sorry i want a white guy"

figure it out.


*black driver shows up*
"sorry I want a white guy"
*black driver drives away*
*white driver shows up*

or

*black driver shows up*
"Sorry I want a white guy*
"Sorry our company doesn't allow for such requests"
"Okay, I'll wait for another cab"/"Eh who cares? Take me to Madison Avenue"


Yes, the racial tensions are boiling here.


i'm loving your image of black people being told to go away whites only resulting in "hmm. so the market wills..." and everyone living together peacefully except where they're told to fuck off because of their race but that's cool man.
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Postby Fartsniffage » Thu Oct 23, 2014 5:53 pm

Anglo-California wrote:How would racial tensions increase?

The only thing that would piss people off would be if the government forced an either-or decisions here.


As a minority yourself, how would you feel about people making the assumption that you were a paedophile based on nothing more than your heritage?

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Postby Anglo-California » Thu Oct 23, 2014 5:54 pm

Alyakia wrote:
Anglo-California wrote:
*black driver shows up*
"sorry I want a white guy"
*black driver drives away*
*white driver shows up*

or

*black driver shows up*
"Sorry I want a white guy*
"Sorry our company doesn't allow for such requests"
"Okay, I'll wait for another cab"/"Eh who cares? Take me to Madison Avenue"


Yes, the racial tensions are boiling here.


i'm loving your image of black people being told to go away whites only resulting in "hmm. so the market wills..." and everyone living together peacefully except where they're told to fuck off because of their race but that's cool man.



What's wrong with it? Are you insinuating that the black guy would act violently and riot? You know that's not something I'd expect from you. I don't know about you, but I try to view people as capable of being mature and professional.

And how was the black guy being told to fuck off? The white guy didn't want to do business with him. Who cares what the reason is? It's in his right to associate with whom he pleases. At worse, the black cab driver would be angry and might say, "Fuck you, racist", and drive off. And if he does, so what? How would that harm race relations? Is the white guy gonna go riot, too?


News at 11, Alyakia anticipates the race war due to a white guy not wanting a black cab driver.
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Postby Anglo-California » Thu Oct 23, 2014 5:55 pm

Fartsniffage wrote:
Anglo-California wrote:How would racial tensions increase?

The only thing that would piss people off would be if the government forced an either-or decisions here.


As a minority yourself, how would you feel about people making the assumption that you were a paedophile based on nothing more than your heritage?


I'd consider it annoying and stupid, but I'm not going lobby the government to force people to hire me.
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Postby The Fascist American Empire » Thu Oct 23, 2014 5:58 pm

Seems rather odd since they have the same odds of being a weirdo/rapist/serial killer. Hence why I will always walk over taking a taxi.
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Postby Upper America » Thu Oct 23, 2014 5:59 pm

Anglo-California wrote:
Alyakia wrote:
i'm loving your image of black people being told to go away whites only resulting in "hmm. so the market wills..." and everyone living together peacefully except where they're told to fuck off because of their race but that's cool man.



What's wrong with it? Are you insinuating that the black guy would act violently and riot? You know that's not something I'd expect from you. I don't know about you, but I try to view people as capable of being mature and professional.

And how was the black guy being told to fuck off? The white guy didn't want to do business with him. Who cares what the reason is? It's in his right to associate with whom he pleases. At worse, the black cab driver would be angry and might say, "Fuck you, racist", and drive off. And if he does, so what? How would that harm race relations? Is the white guy gonna go riot, too?


News at 11, Alyakia anticipates the race war due to a white guy not wanting a black cab driver.

It'll harm race relations by driving whites and blacks further apart because of racism.
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Postby Fartsniffage » Thu Oct 23, 2014 5:59 pm

Anglo-California wrote:
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As a minority yourself, how would you feel about people making the assumption that you were a paedophile based on nothing more than your heritage?


I'd consider it annoying and stupid, but I'm not going lobby the government to force people to hire me.


Of course you would...there's no way that kind of assumption would piss you off, especially if repeated over and over again.

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Postby Anglo-California » Thu Oct 23, 2014 6:02 pm

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I'd consider it annoying and stupid, but I'm not going lobby the government to force people to hire me.


Of course you would...there's no way that kind of assumption would piss you off, especially if repeated over and over again.


If that were the case, then I'd recognize I'm dealing with the wrong people and would seek to be somewhere where I'd fit in more. But I'd also know that they aren't committing any crimes. Just being jerks.

I don't go into Tijuana and demand that they stop assuming I have money and am gullible because I'm a white tourist.
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Postby Anglo-California » Thu Oct 23, 2014 6:03 pm

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What's wrong with it? Are you insinuating that the black guy would act violently and riot? You know that's not something I'd expect from you. I don't know about you, but I try to view people as capable of being mature and professional.

And how was the black guy being told to fuck off? The white guy didn't want to do business with him. Who cares what the reason is? It's in his right to associate with whom he pleases. At worse, the black cab driver would be angry and might say, "Fuck you, racist", and drive off. And if he does, so what? How would that harm race relations? Is the white guy gonna go riot, too?


News at 11, Alyakia anticipates the race war due to a white guy not wanting a black cab driver.


It'll harm race relations by driving whites and blacks further apart because of racism.


What if blacks and whites want to be apart? Oh wait! They already do! That's why American churches and neighborhoods continue to be just as segregated as they were 60 years ago! People self-segregate all of the time.

Forcing them to be together will not create tolerance, but will make them even hate each other more.
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Postby Upper America » Thu Oct 23, 2014 6:09 pm

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It'll harm race relations by driving whites and blacks further apart because of racism.


What if blacks and whites want to be apart? Oh wait! They already do! That's why American churches and neighborhoods continue to be just as segregated as they were 60 years ago! People self-segregate all of the time.

Forcing them to be together will not create tolerance, but will make them even hate each other more.

No, they're separated because of income inequality. African Americans live in dilapidated neighborhoods because they earn less thanks to the traces of racism that still exist in the US. Whites live in wealthier cities because they were never oppressed.
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Postby Alyakia » Thu Oct 23, 2014 6:21 pm

Anglo-California wrote:
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i'm loving your image of black people being told to go away whites only resulting in "hmm. so the market wills..." and everyone living together peacefully except where they're told to fuck off because of their race but that's cool man.



What's wrong with it? Are you insinuating that the black guy would act violently and riot? You know that's not something I'd expect from you. I don't know about you, but I try to view people as capable of being mature and professional.

And how was the black guy being told to fuck off? The white guy didn't want to do business with him. Who cares what the reason is? It's in his right to associate with whom he pleases. At worse, the black cab driver would be angry and might say, "Fuck you, racist", and drive off. And if he does, so what? How would that harm race relations? Is the white guy gonna go riot, too?


News at 11, Alyakia anticipates the race war due to a white guy not wanting a black cab driver.


no i'm saying he'd probably be pissed off.

"no niggers" is not mature and professional. it's not acceptable. stop trying to make it look like a respectable business transaction.
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Postby WestRedMaple » Thu Oct 23, 2014 6:24 pm

Upper America wrote:
Anglo-California wrote:
What if blacks and whites want to be apart? Oh wait! They already do! That's why American churches and neighborhoods continue to be just as segregated as they were 60 years ago! People self-segregate all of the time.

Forcing them to be together will not create tolerance, but will make them even hate each other more.

No, they're separated because of income inequality. African Americans live in dilapidated neighborhoods because they earn less thanks to the traces of racism that still exist in the US. Whites live in wealthier cities because they were never oppressed.


So people with identical incomes live in different places because of income inequality....

Are you sure you thought that through?

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Postby Anglo-California » Thu Oct 23, 2014 6:37 pm

Alyakia wrote:
Anglo-California wrote:

What's wrong with it? Are you insinuating that the black guy would act violently and riot? You know that's not something I'd expect from you. I don't know about you, but I try to view people as capable of being mature and professional.

And how was the black guy being told to fuck off? The white guy didn't want to do business with him. Who cares what the reason is? It's in his right to associate with whom he pleases. At worse, the black cab driver would be angry and might say, "Fuck you, racist", and drive off. And if he does, so what? How would that harm race relations? Is the white guy gonna go riot, too?


News at 11, Alyakia anticipates the race war due to a white guy not wanting a black cab driver.


no i'm saying he'd probably be pissed off.

"no niggers" is not mature and professional. it's not acceptable. stop trying to make it look like a respectable business transaction.


"I would like a white driver" =/= "no niggers"

A black guy requesting a fellow black would be no different.

Also, regardless if whether or not you think this should be a company policy, why does it matter to you? Let people do what they want. This isn't infringing on anyone's life, liberty, or property.
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Postby Anglo-California » Thu Oct 23, 2014 6:39 pm

Upper America wrote:
Anglo-California wrote:
What if blacks and whites want to be apart? Oh wait! They already do! That's why American churches and neighborhoods continue to be just as segregated as they were 60 years ago! People self-segregate all of the time.

Forcing them to be together will not create tolerance, but will make them even hate each other more.

No, they're separated because of income inequality. African Americans live in dilapidated neighborhoods because they earn less thanks to the traces of racism that still exist in the US. Whites live in wealthier cities because they were never oppressed.


Income inequality is why churches and private clubs are largely monoracial?

Also, whites don't live in cities because the blacks moved in so we left for the suburbs. It's called white flight. Many whites could easily afford to live in a black neighborhood, but they don't.

People self-segregate. And who cares if they do? It's their right to do so.
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Postby Alyakia » Thu Oct 23, 2014 6:41 pm

Anglo-California wrote:
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no i'm saying he'd probably be pissed off.

"no niggers" is not mature and professional. it's not acceptable. stop trying to make it look like a respectable business transaction.


"I would like a white driver" =/= "no niggers"

A black guy requesting a fellow black would be no different.

Also, regardless if whether or not you think this should be a company policy, why does it matter to you? Let people do what they want. This isn't infringing on anyone's life, liberty, or property.


"i dont want a black diver" = "no niggers"

i suppose people do self-segregate and create their own communities. and countries. for example, this is a country where this shit is not on. people who disagree could fly to america and hope the plane also flies them back through time as well.
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Postby Vladislavija » Thu Oct 23, 2014 7:11 pm

So next question: "are Chinese food stores allowed to hire only Chinese"?

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Postby Rebellious Fishermen » Thu Oct 23, 2014 7:30 pm

The State of Deseret wrote:Let the person request. Let the Company respond.

If the Company says yay then good on you. If they say Nay no harm done.


Sums up my thoughts.

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Postby Arumdaum » Thu Oct 23, 2014 8:07 pm

Anglo-California wrote:
Arumdaum wrote:We can prevent the creation of a market for taxi drivers of a certain ethnicity by simply disallowing requests like these.

This isn't about someone just getting "offended." It's about ingraining racism further into society, worsening race relations, and making it more difficult for people to find employment simply due to their race.

Making it more difficult to find employment would mean higher unemployment rates, higher rates of poverty, and a higher crime rate for those affected.


How would it worsen race relations to have complete freedom of association?

Your "freedom of association" is just an excuse to disadvantage those of color. I don't hear you talking about that when you complain about interracial marriage.

Remember just because a customer wants a white cab driver doesn't mean a company must give them one.

Well, clearly. That's currently the case. However, you're suggesting that businesses should allow customers to racially discriminate.

And if white people can't be requested, then that would hurt white taxi driver employment rates, and you'd have the same issue with higher unemployment and rates of poverty and crime, just with the races reversed.

Yeah, no, that's bullshit.

White people can't just be requested as of current, so there's no change. Furthermore, it would only hurt the white unemployment rate if white people were (more than now) disproportionally hired due to their race.

So again, why does it matter?

Maybe because more than just white people matter in this world?

Because the number of cab drivers will stay the same,

That's not the point.

but depending on customer preference/cab policy, they might not all be Middle Easterners or Indians.

If people are racist enough to the point that they don't want Middle Eastern or South Asian drivers, then cab companies will stop hiring those people, or hire them in much smaller numbers, solely because of their race.

Of course, you're an admitted racist, so I guess it makes sense why you don't care about increasing the privileges of white people at the expense of brown people.

What's the big deal? I thought race didn't matter?

I'm not one of those "I don't see race" hipsters, so your snark doesn't apply to me. Race shouldn't matter, but sadly, it's a large factor into how people perceive and act upon things.
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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Thu Oct 23, 2014 8:12 pm

Anglo-California wrote:
Upper America wrote:No, they're separated because of income inequality. African Americans live in dilapidated neighborhoods because they earn less thanks to the traces of racism that still exist in the US. Whites live in wealthier cities because they were never oppressed.


Income inequality is why churches and private clubs are largely monoracial?

Also, whites don't live in cities because the blacks moved in so we left for the suburbs. It's called white flight. Many whites could easily afford to live in a black neighborhood, but they don't.

People self-segregate. And who cares if they do? It's their right to do so.


:eyebrow:

Source that white people don't live in cities? Because I call bullshit.
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