NATION

PASSWORD

Canadian parliament on lockdown.

For discussion and debate about anything. (Not a roleplay related forum; out-of-character commentary only.)

Advertisement

Remove ads

User avatar
Northwest Slobovia
Postmaster-General
 
Posts: 12548
Founded: Sep 16, 2006
Anarchy

Postby Northwest Slobovia » Wed Oct 22, 2014 9:33 pm

The Archregimancy wrote:
LiamHerndon wrote:This is probably the most violent act I've ever heard of a Canadian committing.


Surely not?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Upper_Canada_Rebellion
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lower_Canada_Rebellion
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Ca ... _World_War
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dieppe_Raid
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juno_Beach

Among others.

Very different contexts, certainly; but let's not pretend our friendly Canadian cousins can't fire a weapon when they're in the mood.

A bit more closely related.
Gollum died for your sins.
Power is an equal-opportunity corrupter.

User avatar
Camicon
Postmaster-General
 
Posts: 14377
Founded: Aug 26, 2010
Ex-Nation

Postby Camicon » Wed Oct 22, 2014 10:20 pm

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think this (and yesterday's incident in St-Jean-sur-Richelieu) is the only terror attack to occur in Canada since the October Crisis of 1970.

If this attack in Ottawa and the one in St-Jean-sur-Richelieu are anything to go by, Canadians may very well be in for a little more heartbreak in the near future
Hey/They
Active since May, 2009
Country of glowing hearts, and patrons of the arts
Help me out
Star spangled madness, united sadness
Count me out
The Trews, Under The Sun
No human is more human than any other. - Lieutenant-General Roméo Antonius Dallaire
Don't shine for swine. - Metric, Soft Rock Star
Love is hell. Hell is love. Hell is asking to be loved. - Emily Haines and the Soft Skeleton, Detective Daughter

Why (Male) Rape Is Hilarious [because it has to be]

User avatar
Avenio
Postmaster-General
 
Posts: 11113
Founded: Feb 08, 2009
Ex-Nation

Postby Avenio » Wed Oct 22, 2014 10:41 pm

Camicon wrote:Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think this (and yesterday's incident in St-Jean-sur-Richelieu) is the only terror attack to occur in Canada since the October Crisis of 1970.


Depends on whether or not you count the Moncton shootings as a terrorist attack.

Camicon wrote:If this attack in Ottawa and the one in St-Jean-sur-Richelieu are anything to go by, Canadians may very well be in for a little more heartbreak in the near future


I have my doubts. Both attacks were 'lone wolf'-type operations that could have likely been planned independently of one another and just happened to coincide. Given that both attacks failed in most of the goals of terrorist acts and that CSIS is probably taking the kid gloves off for good now, I don't think we're in for a spree of copycats.
Last edited by Avenio on Wed Oct 22, 2014 10:50 pm, edited 1 time in total.

User avatar
Saint-Thor
Ambassador
 
Posts: 1068
Founded: Aug 12, 2011
New York Times Democracy

Postby Saint-Thor » Wed Oct 22, 2014 10:49 pm

Camicon wrote:Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think this (and yesterday's incident in St-Jean-sur-Richelieu) is the only terror attack to occur in Canada since the October Crisis of 1970.

Not at all. Barely two years ago, Richard Henri Bain tried to kill newly elected PQ leader at the Metropolis.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012_Montreal_shooting

It also happened in 1984 when Denis Lortie stormed the Assemblée nationale and tried to kill René Lévesque and all the PQ MPs. He killed three people and injured 13 other. http://www.cbc.ca/archives/categories/s ... ature.html

User avatar
Beta Test
Minister
 
Posts: 2639
Founded: Jan 06, 2013
Ex-Nation

Postby Beta Test » Wed Oct 22, 2014 11:10 pm

I wonder if there's a connection between the two attacks.
Member of the Coalition of Workers and Farmers
Michael Ferreira: President of the Senate
Philip Awad: Former Secretary of Rural Development

User avatar
Napkiraly
Post Czar
 
Posts: 37450
Founded: Aug 02, 2011
Ex-Nation

Postby Napkiraly » Thu Oct 23, 2014 1:27 am

Chernoslavia wrote:
Napkiraly wrote:And your basis for this is what exactly?


Their shitty reactions on previous shootings, some of which don't even take place in Canada.

Examples.

User avatar
Ainin
Postmaster-General
 
Posts: 13989
Founded: Mar 05, 2011
Civil Rights Lovefest

Postby Ainin » Thu Oct 23, 2014 2:23 am

Well fuck, this was really unexpected and tragic.

Rio Cana wrote:This will most likely start the US government into much better securing the border with Canada just like they have done with Mexico.

By that logic, due to all the shootings in the US, the Canadian Border Services Agency would now be fielding nuclear battlecruisers on Lake Erie.
Republic of Nakong | 內江共和國 | IIwiki · Map · Kylaris
"And when the last law was down, and the Devil turned round on you — where would you hide, Roper, the laws all being flat?"

User avatar
Napkiraly
Post Czar
 
Posts: 37450
Founded: Aug 02, 2011
Ex-Nation

Postby Napkiraly » Thu Oct 23, 2014 5:17 am

Ainin wrote:Well fuck, this was really unexpected and tragic.

Rio Cana wrote:This will most likely start the US government into much better securing the border with Canada just like they have done with Mexico.

By that logic, due to all the shootings in the US, the Canadian Border Services Agency would now be fielding nuclear battlecruisers on Lake Erie.

To be fair, that would be awesome to have. Simply because we'd have freaking nuclear battlecruisers.

User avatar
Dewhurst-Narculis
Negotiator
 
Posts: 5053
Founded: Jun 26, 2010
Ex-Nation

Postby Dewhurst-Narculis » Thu Oct 23, 2014 5:19 am

Napkiraly wrote:
Ainin wrote:Well fuck, this was really unexpected and tragic.


By that logic, due to all the shootings in the US, the Canadian Border Services Agency would now be fielding nuclear battlecruisers on Lake Erie.

To be fair, that would be awesome to have. Simply because we'd have freaking nuclear battlecruisers.

Would sure be a deterrence to illegal fishing as a by-effect
PT/MT Nation
Death is the only Absolute
The Grand Duchy of Dewhurst-Narculis
|Monarchist Nation| DEFCON [3] [2][1]
Coveton Crisis 1828-Mutual victory
Quendisphere War 2010-Resolved

1st Great Southern War 1898
2nd Great Southern War 1925
3rd Great Southern War 1942-1944
4th Great Southern War 1983
Dewhurst-Narculian- Theaman War 2010
Okhotsk Conflict 2012-2013
2nd Cedorian-Gilnean War-2014 ^All Won

North Vasangal Uprising-2014-(Ongoing)
Dervistonian War-2014-(Ongoing)
One of the the original founders of: SEC, Axis, SACTO and the Great Southern Ocean Region| Nine Years and no Condemnation/Commendation, what is this?

User avatar
Napkiraly
Post Czar
 
Posts: 37450
Founded: Aug 02, 2011
Ex-Nation

Postby Napkiraly » Thu Oct 23, 2014 5:20 am

Dewhurst-Narculis wrote:
Napkiraly wrote:To be fair, that would be awesome to have. Simply because we'd have freaking nuclear battlecruisers.

Would sure be a deterrence to illegal fishing as a by-effect

The paella shall never touch our shores ever again!

User avatar
Bandwagon
Diplomat
 
Posts: 882
Founded: Aug 31, 2014
Ex-Nation

Postby Bandwagon » Thu Oct 23, 2014 8:27 am

Napkiraly wrote:
Dewhurst-Narculis wrote:Would sure be a deterrence to illegal fishing as a by-effect

The paella shall never touch our shores ever again!

What has paella to do with this?
Pro: Independent Northern Ireland as part of neither UK or Republic, Catalan/Scottish/Basque/Welsh/Northern English/Veneto independence. Socialism, Liberalism, Palestine, Environmentalism, Anti-Capitalism, Anti-Dictatorship, New Left-Wing/Liberal Political Party in Ireland.
Anti: Chinese Dictatorship, Capitalism, Dictatorship, Both Ukrainian/Russian Governments, War of all form, Violence of all form, Anything right of centre, Israel.
Political Compass: Economic Left/Right: -7.50
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -7.59


Proud Libertarian, Social Democrat. Live with it.
I'm Far Left Socially but Centre Left Economically.
I'm so cool that I'm an ENFP. http://www.16personalities.com/enfp-personality

User avatar
New Austzeland
Ambassador
 
Posts: 1767
Founded: Nov 11, 2013
Ex-Nation

Postby New Austzeland » Thu Oct 23, 2014 8:39 am

apologies if this has been posted already but

http://www.sunnewsnetwork.ca/sunnews/ca ... 73233.html
I am a 21 year old Canadian, and am hopelessly addicted to old Mitsubishis and anime
PROS:$300 sh*tboxes that barely run
ANTI:Nice cars

User avatar
Farnhamia
Game Moderator
 
Posts: 112551
Founded: Jun 20, 2006
Left-Leaning College State

Postby Farnhamia » Thu Oct 23, 2014 8:48 am

Bandwagon wrote:
Napkiraly wrote:The paella shall never touch our shores ever again!

What has paella to do with this?

Spanish fishermen? It is thought that Basque fishermen visited the Canadian Maritimes throughout the 1400s when working the Grand Banks.
Make Earth Great Again: Stop Continental Drift!
And Jesus was a sailor when he walked upon the water ...
"Make yourself at home, Frank. Hit somebody." RIP Don Rickles
My country, right or wrong; if right, to be kept right; and if wrong, to be set right. ~ Carl Schurz
<Sigh> NSG...where even the atheists are Augustinians. ~ The Archregimancy
Now the foot is on the other hand ~ Kannap
RIP Dyakovo ... Ashmoria (Freedom ... or cake)
This is the eighth line. If your signature is longer, it's too long.

User avatar
Dewhurst-Narculis
Negotiator
 
Posts: 5053
Founded: Jun 26, 2010
Ex-Nation

Postby Dewhurst-Narculis » Thu Oct 23, 2014 8:58 am

Bandwagon wrote:
Napkiraly wrote:The paella shall never touch our shores ever again!

What has paella to do with this?


Obviously Canada still has a chip on it's shoulder in regards to Spanish cuisine, by that logic England should be surrounded by dozens of battlecruisers
PT/MT Nation
Death is the only Absolute
The Grand Duchy of Dewhurst-Narculis
|Monarchist Nation| DEFCON [3] [2][1]
Coveton Crisis 1828-Mutual victory
Quendisphere War 2010-Resolved

1st Great Southern War 1898
2nd Great Southern War 1925
3rd Great Southern War 1942-1944
4th Great Southern War 1983
Dewhurst-Narculian- Theaman War 2010
Okhotsk Conflict 2012-2013
2nd Cedorian-Gilnean War-2014 ^All Won

North Vasangal Uprising-2014-(Ongoing)
Dervistonian War-2014-(Ongoing)
One of the the original founders of: SEC, Axis, SACTO and the Great Southern Ocean Region| Nine Years and no Condemnation/Commendation, what is this?

User avatar
Napkiraly
Post Czar
 
Posts: 37450
Founded: Aug 02, 2011
Ex-Nation

Postby Napkiraly » Thu Oct 23, 2014 9:37 am

Bandwagon wrote:
Napkiraly wrote:The paella shall never touch our shores ever again!

What has paella to do with this?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turbot_War

User avatar
Buse
Diplomat
 
Posts: 648
Founded: Sep 26, 2014
Ex-Nation

Postby Buse » Thu Oct 23, 2014 9:54 am

Buse wrote:
Risottia wrote:
Yeah, the 168 people killed by a Christian extremist - and the about 700 injured - at Oklahoma city are just a "minor attack" because if it's done by Christians it cannot be truly evil I guess. Or do we want to talk Breivik too?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oklahoma_City_bombing
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_Norway_attacks

Shame on you.

You source nowhere states that the both were motivated by Christian religion or that the perpetrators were religious Christians.

But hey let us assume that you are right.

On other hand we have 9/11 where more people are killed than in the two mentioned together. If that is not enough there are the Madrid bombings, the London bombings, Woolwich killing, Boston bombings. Than there are terror groups like ISIL. There you have your hard working Muslims are volunteering them, never heard for Jihadi Johhny?

And despite all that for you lefties Christian and Islam are the same? Shame on you for insulting people who dont have to do with this. Shame on you for letting thoose primitive stone age Middle easternes and inbreeding terrorists cells. It is all the faulth of the progressives and lefties why Malmo became rape capital of the world, and all that because of your stupid ideology which prooved many times to be failed.

So I was right, the perpetrator was a Muslim and a child of an immigrant. There is no other to be a terrorist.
Kosova është Shqipëri

User avatar
Alyakia
Post Marshal
 
Posts: 18422
Founded: Jul 12, 2011
Democratic Socialists

Postby Alyakia » Thu Oct 23, 2014 9:58 am

Buse wrote:There is no other to be a terrorist.


what?
pro: good
anti: bad

The UK and EU are Better Together

"Margaret Thatcher showed the world that women are not too soft or the weaker sex, and can be as heartless, horrible, and amoral as any male politician."

User avatar
Napkiraly
Post Czar
 
Posts: 37450
Founded: Aug 02, 2011
Ex-Nation

Postby Napkiraly » Thu Oct 23, 2014 10:43 am

Alyakia wrote:
Buse wrote:There is no other to be a terrorist.


what?

I think he's claiming that the only terrorists are those who are Muslims and terrorists. Which is laughable to anyone who has a basic knowledge of the history of terrorism.

User avatar
Napkiraly
Post Czar
 
Posts: 37450
Founded: Aug 02, 2011
Ex-Nation

Postby Napkiraly » Thu Oct 23, 2014 10:44 am

Buse wrote:
Buse wrote:You source nowhere states that the both were motivated by Christian religion or that the perpetrators were religious Christians.

But hey let us assume that you are right.

On other hand we have 9/11 where more people are killed than in the two mentioned together. If that is not enough there are the Madrid bombings, the London bombings, Woolwich killing, Boston bombings. Than there are terror groups like ISIL. There you have your hard working Muslims are volunteering them, never heard for Jihadi Johhny?

And despite all that for you lefties Christian and Islam are the same? Shame on you for insulting people who dont have to do with this. Shame on you for letting thoose primitive stone age Middle easternes and inbreeding terrorists cells. It is all the faulth of the progressives and lefties why Malmo became rape capital of the world, and all that because of your stupid ideology which prooved many times to be failed.

So I was right, the perpetrator was a Muslim and a child of an immigrant. There is no other to be a terrorist.
The man on Monday was not the child of an immigrant nor were the members of the FLQ.

User avatar
Insaeldor
Negotiator
 
Posts: 5385
Founded: Aug 26, 2014
Inoffensive Centrist Democracy

Postby Insaeldor » Thu Oct 23, 2014 10:53 am

Napkiraly wrote:
Buse wrote:So I was right, the perpetrator was a Muslim and a child of an immigrant. There is no other to be a terrorist.
The man on Monday was not the child of an immigrant nor were the members of the FLQ.

Wasn't he also a recent convert? Not that it makes much difference? Also what country was he from if his parents are immigrants. I mean so far all I've heard is that he was a recently converted white guy.
Time is a prismatic uniform polyhedron

User avatar
Avenio
Postmaster-General
 
Posts: 11113
Founded: Feb 08, 2009
Ex-Nation

Postby Avenio » Thu Oct 23, 2014 10:54 am

Napkiraly wrote:The man on Monday was not the child of an immigrant nor were the members of the FLQ.


Neither was Zehaf-Bibeau;

The Globe and Mail wrote:Born in Quebec on 16 October 1982 as Michael Joseph Hall, Michael Zehaf-Bibeau grew up in Laval, just north of Montreal, and is said to have attended private schools.

The Canadian news channel CTV News named his mother as Susan Bibeau, the deputy chair of the immigration committee at the Immigration and Refugee Board of Canada. CTV also reported that his stepfather, or adoptive father, is a Libyan businessman, Bulgasem Zehaf, who once owned a cafe called Café Tripoli and appears to have fought in Libya in 2011, according to the Globe and Mail . The couple divorced in 1999.


He was an average Canadian growing up whose mother happened to have married a Libyan businessman for a time. That same article also notes that he seems to have struggled with mental illness in his early 20's, perhaps precipitating his conversion to radical Islam.

User avatar
Kouralia
Post Marshal
 
Posts: 15140
Founded: Oct 30, 2011
Democratic Socialists

Postby Kouralia » Thu Oct 23, 2014 10:54 am

Buse wrote:So I was right, the perpetrator was a Muslim and a child of an immigrant. There is no other to be a terrorist.

Did you just say that all terrorists are muslims?

Image

Also, I know it's a serious situation, but damn this image looks like it's from James Bond or something.
Kouralia:

User avatar
Napkiraly
Post Czar
 
Posts: 37450
Founded: Aug 02, 2011
Ex-Nation

Postby Napkiraly » Thu Oct 23, 2014 10:57 am

Insaeldor wrote:
Napkiraly wrote:The man on Monday was not the child of an immigrant nor were the members of the FLQ.

Wasn't he also a recent convert? Not that it makes much difference? Also what country was he from if his parents are immigrants. I mean so far all I've heard is that he was a recently converted white guy.

I mean it's funny him saying that since Canada is an immigrant country.

User avatar
Napkiraly
Post Czar
 
Posts: 37450
Founded: Aug 02, 2011
Ex-Nation

Postby Napkiraly » Thu Oct 23, 2014 10:58 am

Avenio wrote:
Napkiraly wrote:The man on Monday was not the child of an immigrant nor were the members of the FLQ.


Neither was Zehaf-Bibeau;

The Globe and Mail wrote:Born in Quebec on 16 October 1982 as Michael Joseph Hall, Michael Zehaf-Bibeau grew up in Laval, just north of Montreal, and is said to have attended private schools.

The Canadian news channel CTV News named his mother as Susan Bibeau, the deputy chair of the immigration committee at the Immigration and Refugee Board of Canada. CTV also reported that his stepfather, or adoptive father, is a Libyan businessman, Bulgasem Zehaf, who once owned a cafe called Café Tripoli and appears to have fought in Libya in 2011, according to the Globe and Mail . The couple divorced in 1999.


He was an average Canadian growing up whose mother happened to have married a Libyan businessman for a time. That same article also notes that he seems to have struggled with mental illness in his early 20's, perhaps precipitating his conversion to radical Islam.

Erm, I said "child of an immigrant". If his father is an immigrant, that still makes him the child of an immigrant. Not that his father being Libyan had anything to do with him going on his rampage.

User avatar
Buse
Diplomat
 
Posts: 648
Founded: Sep 26, 2014
Ex-Nation

Postby Buse » Thu Oct 23, 2014 11:00 am

Kouralia wrote:
Buse wrote:So I was right, the perpetrator was a Muslim and a child of an immigrant. There is no other to be a terrorist.

Did you just say that all terrorists are muslims?

Image

Also, I know it's a serious situation, but damn this image looks like it's from James Bond or something.

I am speaking of today, not some of events from 30+ years. I was right yet there were poster who claimed to "not jump on conclusions".
Kosova është Shqipëri

PreviousNext

Advertisement

Remove ads

Return to General

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: Austria-Bohemia-Hungary, Duvniask, Emotional Support Crocodile, GMS Greater Miami Shores 1, Inner Albania, Majestic-12 [Bot], Pauctonia Proutchiristan, Rary, Shrillland, The Lund

Advertisement

Remove ads