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Postby Northwest Slobovia » Wed Oct 22, 2014 10:30 am

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Northwest Slobovia wrote:The Beeb is mentioning a third attack, at the Rideau Center.

Shots fired, no confirmed injuries. My mom's friend Mitch is there now, says everything is okay

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Postby The Romulan Republic » Wed Oct 22, 2014 10:31 am

Scomagia wrote:This is truly terrible and I hope those responsible are brought to justice. I also hope that Canadian citizens and politicians don't have a knee-jerk reaction to this and start emulating their neighbors to the south.


Given that our current Prime Minister is a tough on crime militant conservative, I expect we'll be getting some new civil liberties violations shortly.
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Postby Maineiacs » Wed Oct 22, 2014 10:31 am

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Korouse wrote:So you're saying the ideology that promotes freedom overall is failed? Perhaps we should put the blame on people like you, who just decide that we should have a holy war with Islam instead of actually being smart, which is why you're never going to be in politics.

It does not promote freedom, at least it promotes some minority cult worshiping that they think is freedom. Do please tell me how is restrictions of freedom of speech and funding the welfare of immigrants are freedom?

This is the Progressives vision of freedom. It is vision of dictatorship of political corecntess. The Progressives would like that the Perpetrators keep abusing children only to not be called racism. Maybe you are not aware of it, but raping kids in name of political corectness is not freedom.

Oh, and I am not in favour of waging a war in the Middle East. I am onlx in favour in restricting immigration from particular countries and not waging any wars.




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Postby Scomagia » Wed Oct 22, 2014 10:32 am

Chernoslavia wrote:
Scomagia wrote:This is truly terrible and I hope those responsible are brought to justice. I also hope that Canadian citizens and politicians don't have a knee-jerk reaction to this and start emulating their neighbors to the south.


Seeing how this is Canada, you know it's gonna happen.

A man can dream. Incidentally, are Canadian news agencies ridiculous fear mongers like in the U.S. or are they more reasonable?
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Postby Scomagia » Wed Oct 22, 2014 10:33 am

The Romulan Republic wrote:
Scomagia wrote:This is truly terrible and I hope those responsible are brought to justice. I also hope that Canadian citizens and politicians don't have a knee-jerk reaction to this and start emulating their neighbors to the south.


Given that our current Prime Minister is a tough on crime militant conservative, I expect we'll be getting some new civil liberties violations shortly.

I hope not, considering I've been slowly making ground on convincing my wife to emigrate to Canada.
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Postby Senyosu » Wed Oct 22, 2014 10:33 am

Scomagia wrote:
Chernoslavia wrote:
Seeing how this is Canada, you know it's gonna happen.

A man can dream. Incidentally, are Canadian news agencies ridiculous fear mongers like in the U.S. or are they more reasonable?

Slightly more reasonable.
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Postby Seaxeland » Wed Oct 22, 2014 10:33 am

Buse wrote:
Insaeldor wrote:Why should we condemn the billions of Muslims who don't do anything? Or the middle eastern who don't do anything. By this logic Albanians, Bosniaks, and Kosovans must also be barbaric or that the Muslims who are fighting terrorism must also be horrible people. What about all the Muslims (who make up the majority of the combatants) fighting against terrorism? .

The truth is that you could never beliefe them, because of many terrorists attack every Muslims can be suspicious and the institution of Taqya even more gives fuel to that. I am aware that not all Muslims are evil, but thoose are not just dont make anything to distance themself from them.

Some groups of Muslims like the Albanians, Kurds and Turks are educated enough to not fall into the trap called Islam, but we are sepaking about Middle easternes and people who are coming from a region where religion plays an important role. You cannot change their mentality and failed education.

Speaking about the Bosniaks they used to be secular but Islamism is getting popular from day to day where they life. I could also source that.


So you're saying anybody who isn't Kurish, Turkish, or Albanian is too stupid to not be an extremist? Get the fuck out.

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Postby Maineiacs » Wed Oct 22, 2014 10:34 am

Scomagia wrote:
Chernoslavia wrote:
Seeing how this is Canada, you know it's gonna happen.

A man can dream. Incidentally, are Canadian news agencies ridiculous fear mongers like in the U.S. or are they more reasonable?



They could scarcely be less reasonable than our media; e.g. coverage of Ebola.
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Postby Senyosu » Wed Oct 22, 2014 10:34 am

The Romulan Republic wrote:
Scomagia wrote:This is truly terrible and I hope those responsible are brought to justice. I also hope that Canadian citizens and politicians don't have a knee-jerk reaction to this and start emulating their neighbors to the south.


Given that our current Prime Minister is a tough on crime militant conservative, I expect we'll be getting some new civil liberties violations shortly.

Gun rights here are generally curtailed on a regular basis in comparison to our pants, the USA.

So really, there would be little change.
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Postby Arnevia » Wed Oct 22, 2014 10:34 am

Scomagia wrote:A man can dream. Incidentally, are Canadian news agencies ridiculous fear mongers like in the U.S. or are they more reasonable?


CBC's being pretty reasonable about it. They're stressing that nobody knows who did it, at the very least. Mostly it's mostly just factual reports on what people in the city are doing at the moment.
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Postby Chernoslavia » Wed Oct 22, 2014 10:34 am

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Thats.....strange. For that to happen the place would have had to be sealed tight like all doors and windows closed and all air conditioning halted, but even a big place such as the parliament building wouldn't get fouled up just because of a few gunshots? What the hell was the man using a musket?

First gunman with rifle killed in centre block. Second with db shotgun on the run.


Were the weapons black powder or smokeless? Not that it matters as a big area like that would be impossible to stink up with the smell of gunpowder.
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Postby Scomagia » Wed Oct 22, 2014 10:35 am

Maineiacs wrote:
Scomagia wrote:A man can dream. Incidentally, are Canadian news agencies ridiculous fear mongers like in the U.S. or are they more reasonable?



They could scarcely be less reasonable than our media; i.e. coverage of Ebola.

We certainly are the best at crazy overreaction and fear mongering.
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Postby Proskoya » Wed Oct 22, 2014 10:36 am

Anyone have identities on these guys? At least an affiliation? I just heard a news report on the radio while getting lunch.
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Postby The Romulan Republic » Wed Oct 22, 2014 10:37 am

Senyosu wrote:
The Romulan Republic wrote:
Given that our current Prime Minister is a tough on crime militant conservative, I expect we'll be getting some new civil liberties violations shortly.

Gun rights here are generally curtailed on a regular basis in comparison to our pants, the USA.

So really, there would be little change.


Their are rights other than gun rights to worry about.
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Postby Fezkovia » Wed Oct 22, 2014 10:37 am

Chernoslavia wrote:
Fezkovia wrote:First gunman with rifle killed in centre block. Second with db shotgun on the run.


Were the weapons black powder or smokeless? Not that it matters as a big area like that would be impossible to stink up with the smell of gunpowder.

Idk, I only know that he was using a long rifle. Not there rn, can't judge the smell. In goulbourn-stittsville.
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Postby Alyakia » Wed Oct 22, 2014 10:37 am

Proskoya wrote:Anyone have identities on these guys? At least an affiliation? I just heard a news report on the radio while getting lunch.


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Postby Scomagia » Wed Oct 22, 2014 10:37 am

Arnevia wrote:
Scomagia wrote:A man can dream. Incidentally, are Canadian news agencies ridiculous fear mongers like in the U.S. or are they more reasonable?


CBC's being pretty reasonable about it. They're stressing that nobody knows who did it, at the very least. Mostly it's mostly just factual reports on what people in the city are doing at the moment.

That's good, at least. If this happened in the states we all know that the talking heads would have fifty different theories on who did it, forty-nine of them being about Muslims, followed by at least twelve ways that it's Obama's fault.
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Postby Napkiraly » Wed Oct 22, 2014 10:37 am

Chernoslavia wrote:
Scomagia wrote:This is truly terrible and I hope those responsible are brought to justice. I also hope that Canadian citizens and politicians don't have a knee-jerk reaction to this and start emulating their neighbors to the south.


Seeing how this is Canada, you know it's gonna happen.

And your basis for this is what exactly?

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Postby Maineiacs » Wed Oct 22, 2014 10:37 am

Scomagia wrote:
Maineiacs wrote:

They could scarcely be less reasonable than our media; e.g. coverage of Ebola.

We certainly are the best at crazy overreaction and fear mongering.



We're #1? We're #1? :unsure:
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Postby Insaeldor » Wed Oct 22, 2014 10:38 am

Buse wrote:
Insaeldor wrote:Why should we condemn the billions of Muslims who don't do anything? Or the middle eastern who don't do anything. By this logic Albanians, Bosniaks, and Kosovans must also be barbaric or that the Muslims who are fighting terrorism must also be horrible people. What about all the Muslims (who make up the majority of the combatants) fighting against terrorism? .

The truth is that you could never beliefe them, because of many terrorists attack every Muslims can be suspicious and the institution of Taqya even more gives fuel to that. I am aware that not all Muslims are evil, but thoose are not just dont make anything to distance themself from them.

Some groups of Muslims like the Albanians, Kurds and Turks are educated enough to not fall into the trap called Islam, but we are sepaking about Middle easternes and people who are coming from a region where religion plays an important role. You cannot change their mentality and failed education.

Speaking about the Bosniaks they used to be secular but Islamism is getting popular from day to day where they life. I could also source that.


I can say the same thing about African Christians. You know the one that have wiped out whole Muslims villages and oh yes throwing Muslim babies off cliffs. Should I not trust a Christian then? What about the big child sex abuse scandal within the Catholic Church? Far more priest were convicted than at Rotherham should I stop trusting them for that? What about the 2008 Norwegian terror attacks in which the perpetrator said he was a soldier of Christianity, what about the genocide committed by the mostly Christian Serbs, or what about the fact that the bible has said it's okay to kidnap a woman, shave her bald, and thankless her your forced wife? How can I feel like I can trust a Christian with such things going on?

Truth is to trust somebody based on their religion is idiotic, so far their are more Muslims fighting radicalism than are fighting for the radicalism cause and I've got 15,000 Muslims who are willing to protect my country within the armed forces. I can definitely trust a Muslim just because someone is a Muslim does not make them horrible people.

I'm not going to argue there are bad men and women whom use the banner of Islam to justify their awful actions but Christians are not exempt from this curse ether.
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Postby Fezkovia » Wed Oct 22, 2014 10:39 am

Alyakia wrote:
Proskoya wrote:Anyone have identities on these guys? At least an affiliation? I just heard a news report on the radio while getting lunch.


no

First was tall, skinny, black hair. Second in blue jeans.
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Postby Senyosu » Wed Oct 22, 2014 10:39 am

The Romulan Republic wrote:
Senyosu wrote:Gun rights here are generally curtailed on a regular basis in comparison to our pants, the USA.

So really, there would be little change.


Their are rights other than gun rights to worry about.

Privacy? Dude, that happens regardless if the PM is a liberal hippie.

Either way, everything after this will be expected and predictable.
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Postby Maineiacs » Wed Oct 22, 2014 10:40 am

Scomagia wrote:
Arnevia wrote:
CBC's being pretty reasonable about it. They're stressing that nobody knows who did it, at the very least. Mostly it's mostly just factual reports on what people in the city are doing at the moment.

That's good, at least. If this happened in the states we all know that the talking heads would have fifty different theories on who did it, forty-nine of them being about Muslims, followed by at least twelve ways that it's Obama's fault.




Breitbart and Infowars would be claiming that Obama personally did it.
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Postby Svatantra Mulukama » Wed Oct 22, 2014 10:41 am

Proskoya wrote:Anyone have identities on these guys? At least an affiliation? I just heard a news report on the radio while getting lunch.


Not yet. But, as you can imagine people have even very quick to pin this on groups like ISIS.
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Postby The Romulan Republic » Wed Oct 22, 2014 10:42 am

Senyosu wrote:
The Romulan Republic wrote:
Their are rights other than gun rights to worry about.

Privacy? Dude, that happens regardless if the PM is a liberal hippie.

Either way, everything after this will be expected and predictable.


Harper might surprise us and not respond by trying to violate civil liberties. Not much hope of that though.

Edits: Anyway, I was thinking along the lines of freedom of speech/freedom of religion. As for privacy, its all but a lost cause now.
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