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Postby The balkens » Wed Oct 22, 2014 10:14 am

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Napkiraly wrote:*Implying all liberals are pacifist

Apparently you've never heard of liberal internationalism.

Or liberal hawks. Like me.

I'm almost like a liberal version of Murkwood foreign policy-wise.


Forgivable.

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Postby Buse » Wed Oct 22, 2014 10:14 am

Korouse wrote:So you're saying the ideology that promotes freedom overall is failed? Perhaps we should put the blame on people like you, who just decide that we should have a holy war with Islam instead of actually being smart, which is why you're never going to be in politics.

It does not promote freedom, at least it promotes some minority cult worshiping that they think is freedom. Do please tell me how is restrictions of freedom of speech and funding the welfare of immigrants are freedom?

This is the Progressives vision of freedom. It is vision of dictatorship of political corecntess. The Progressives would like that the Perpetrators keep abusing children only to not be called racism. Maybe you are not aware of it, but raping kids in name of political corectness is not freedom.

Oh, and I am not in favour of waging a war in the Middle East. I am onlx in favour in restricting immigration from particular countries and not waging any wars.
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Postby Agritum » Wed Oct 22, 2014 10:15 am

The balkens wrote:
Agritum wrote:Or liberal hawks. Like me.

I'm almost like a liberal version of Murkwood foreign policy-wise.


Forgivable.

I'm mostly for soft power, but a good surgical strike is needed everywhere and then.

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Postby Arnevia » Wed Oct 22, 2014 10:16 am

Blackledge wrote:
Elsa the Snow Queen wrote:I dedicate this incident to all the Canadians who think they are more peaceful and civil than America :roll:

:eyebrow:
Yeah, damn Canadians really deserve it.


Well aren't you a ray of fuckin' sunshine. >:(
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Postby The balkens » Wed Oct 22, 2014 10:19 am

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The balkens wrote:
Forgivable.

I'm mostly for soft power, but a good surgical strike is needed everywhere and then.


i am of the same mindset. ;)

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Postby Insaeldor » Wed Oct 22, 2014 10:19 am

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Korouse wrote:So you're saying the ideology that promotes freedom overall is failed? Perhaps we should put the blame on people like you, who just decide that we should have a holy war with Islam instead of actually being smart, which is why you're never going to be in politics.

It does not promote freedom, at least it promotes some minority cult worshiping that they think is freedom. Do please tell me how is restrictions of freedom of speech and funding the welfare of immigrants are freedom?

This is the Progressives vision of freedom. It is vision of dictatorship of political corecntess. The Progressives would like that the Perpetrators keep abusing children only to not be called racism. Maybe you are not aware of it, but raping kids in name of political corectness is not freedom.

Oh, and I am not in favour of waging a war in the Middle East. I am onlx in favour in restricting immigration from particular countries and not waging any wars.


Haha what? :rofl:

I'm really starting to think your saying shit to get attention. Yes the Rotherham Scandal is terrible, yes it was a horrendous event, no we shouldn't base all Muslims on these events, no this isn't something liberals like.

Try and understand the other side before you try to attack it you do no good by making ridiculous claims like this to your position.
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Postby Ganos Lao » Wed Oct 22, 2014 10:20 am

Arnevia wrote:
Blackledge wrote: :eyebrow:
Yeah, damn Canadians really deserve it.


Well aren't you a ray of fuckin' sunshine. >:(


Notice the smilie he used? He wasn't actually saying they did...



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Postby Fezkovia » Wed Oct 22, 2014 10:22 am

I live in Ottawa, and not just parliament is locked down. It's the whole city. In goulbourn rn, but my parents are downtown, both fine.
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Postby Senyosu » Wed Oct 22, 2014 10:23 am

As someone who lives in Ottawa, it's a bit unsettling, but not a major call for concern.

For now, the places outside Downtown at least are fine. I myself just had a midterm today while this was happening, so my stress level is confusing me due the incidents that unfolded today.

Edit: Bus routes and the whole area of downtown is heavily restricted. It's much more serious than I made it appear.
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Postby Arnevia » Wed Oct 22, 2014 10:23 am

Ganos Lao wrote:Notice the smilie he used? He wasn't actually saying they did...


Sorry, I jump to conclusions a lot. The smiley didn't really suggest sarcasm to me. We need sarcasm tags.
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Postby Northwest Slobovia » Wed Oct 22, 2014 10:24 am

Fezkovia wrote:I live in Ottawa, and not just parliament is locked down. It's the whole city. In goulbourn rn, but my parents are downtown, both fine.

Is your local news running anything people haven't mentioned here already?
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Postby Fezkovia » Wed Oct 22, 2014 10:24 am

Alyakia wrote:right this is annoying me.

one says it was at the national war museum

http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Gua ... 20x372.png

another says it was inside parliament

which is it? is it both?

e:

"A gunman has opened fire at Ottawa’s National War Memorial and is still at large, Canadian police report. One person was shot just before 10am local time and the shooter was seen running toward Parliament buildings, where more shots were fired."

oh i guess it's both

I live here. He shot a soldier at the memorial, then ran to parliament and opened fire before being shot.
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Postby Buse » Wed Oct 22, 2014 10:25 am

Insaeldor wrote:Why should we condemn the billions of Muslims who don't do anything? Or the middle eastern who don't do anything. By this logic Albanians, Bosniaks, and Kosovans must also be barbaric or that the Muslims who are fighting terrorism must also be horrible people. What about all the Muslims (who make up the majority of the combatants) fighting against terrorism? .

The truth is that you could never beliefe them, because of many terrorists attack every Muslims can be suspicious and the institution of Taqya even more gives fuel to that. I am aware that not all Muslims are evil, but thoose are not just dont make anything to distance themself from them.

Some groups of Muslims like the Albanians, Kurds and Turks are educated enough to not fall into the trap called Islam, but we are sepaking about Middle easternes and people who are coming from a region where religion plays an important role. You cannot change their mentality and failed education.

Speaking about the Bosniaks they used to be secular but Islamism is getting popular from day to day where they life. I could also source that.
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Postby Northwest Slobovia » Wed Oct 22, 2014 10:25 am

Fezkovia wrote:
Alyakia wrote:right this is annoying me.

one says it was at the national war museum

http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Gua ... 20x372.png

another says it was inside parliament

which is it? is it both?

e:

"A gunman has opened fire at Ottawa’s National War Memorial and is still at large, Canadian police report. One person was shot just before 10am local time and the shooter was seen running toward Parliament buildings, where more shots were fired."

oh i guess it's both

I live here. He shot a soldier at the memorial, then ran to parliament and opened fire before being shot.

The Beeb is mentioning a third attack, at the Rideau Center.
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Postby Alyakia » Wed Oct 22, 2014 10:26 am

Buse wrote:
Insaeldor wrote:Why should we condemn the billions of Muslims who don't do anything? Or the middle eastern who don't do anything. By this logic Albanians, Bosniaks, and Kosovans must also be barbaric or that the Muslims who are fighting terrorism must also be horrible people. What about all the Muslims (who make up the majority of the combatants) fighting against terrorism? .

The truth is that you could never beliefe them, because of many terrorists attack every Muslims can be suspicious and the institution of Taqya even more gives fuel to that. I am aware that not all Muslims are evil, but thoose are not just dont make anything to distance themself from them.

Some groups of Muslims like the Albanians, Kurds and Turks are educated enough to not fall into the trap called Islam, but we are sepaking about Middle easternes and people who are coming from a region where religion plays an important role. You cannot change their mentality and failed education.

Speaking about the Bosniaks they used to be secular but Islamism is getting popular from day to day where they life. I could also source that.


who gives a fuck? you literally cannot prove islam has any relation to this whatsoever. that one soldier has died and come back to life three times. that's the level of accuracy we are dealing with. can you rant about liberals, muslims and immigrants somewhere else?
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Postby Fezkovia » Wed Oct 22, 2014 10:27 am

Northwest Slobovia wrote:
Fezkovia wrote:I live in Ottawa, and not just parliament is locked down. It's the whole city. In goulbourn rn, but my parents are downtown, both fine.

Is your local news running anything people haven't mentioned here already?

Haven't looked through the whole thread yet, but 8 pages is plenty of time to get informed.
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Postby Blackledge » Wed Oct 22, 2014 10:27 am

Arnevia wrote:
Ganos Lao wrote:Notice the smilie he used? He wasn't actually saying they did...


Sorry, I jump to conclusions a lot. The smiley didn't really suggest sarcasm to me. We need sarcasm tags.

Yeah I was being angrily sarcastic.

It's ok if you jumped to conclusions. No harm.
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Postby Senyosu » Wed Oct 22, 2014 10:27 am

Northwest Slobovia wrote:
Fezkovia wrote:I live here. He shot a soldier at the memorial, then ran to parliament and opened fire before being shot.

The Beeb is mentioning a third attack, at the Rideau Center.

That's close to the University of Ottawa.

Edit: Received text from a friend in that university that they are fine, for now
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Postby The 44th Indp Legion » Wed Oct 22, 2014 10:28 am

Northwest Slobovia wrote:
Fezkovia wrote:I live here. He shot a soldier at the memorial, then ran to parliament and opened fire before being shot.

The Beeb is mentioning a third attack, at the Rideau Center.


CBC is reporting three shooting incidents at the memorial, parliament and Ridault centre (a shopping mall ,apparantly), though no specifics on the last.
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Postby Scomagia » Wed Oct 22, 2014 10:28 am

This is truly terrible and I hope those responsible are brought to justice. I also hope that Canadian citizens and politicians don't have a knee-jerk reaction to this and start emulating their neighbors to the south.
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Postby Chernoslavia » Wed Oct 22, 2014 10:28 am

Farnhamia wrote:
Kryozerkia wrote:National War Memorial and the Centre Block of Parliament Hill.

There is no official briefing yet. It seems to indicate that the situation is ongoing. The gunman is still at large, based on reports within the last 15 minutes.

The reports of a strong smell of gunpowder in the building is ominous, though.


Thats.....strange. For that to happen the place would have had to be sealed tight like all doors and windows closed and all air conditioning halted, but even a big place such as the parliament building wouldn't get fouled up just because of a few gunshots. What the hell was the man using? A musket?
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Postby Fezkovia » Wed Oct 22, 2014 10:28 am

Northwest Slobovia wrote:
Fezkovia wrote:I live here. He shot a soldier at the memorial, then ran to parliament and opened fire before being shot.

The Beeb is mentioning a third attack, at the Rideau Center.

Shots fired, no confirmed injuries. My mom's friend Mitch is there now, says everything is okay
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Postby Chernoslavia » Wed Oct 22, 2014 10:29 am

Scomagia wrote:This is truly terrible and I hope those responsible are brought to justice. I also hope that Canadian citizens and politicians don't have a knee-jerk reaction to this and start emulating their neighbors to the south.


Seeing how this is Canada, you know it's gonna happen.
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Postby Lackadaisical2 » Wed Oct 22, 2014 10:29 am

I love that one of the comments on CBC is whether the leafs vs. sens game will still be on tonight. Some Canadians have it right. Others seem to be mad at Harper for not going through with the long gun registry (as expected). Personally I think these attacks are a relatively small cost for the civilized world, these scum could conceivably do a lot more damage, the worst damage is always after the fact when the government comes down hard on all of us.

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Postby Fezkovia » Wed Oct 22, 2014 10:30 am

Chernoslavia wrote:
Farnhamia wrote:The reports of a strong smell of gunpowder in the building is ominous, though.


Thats.....strange. For that to happen the place would have had to be sealed tight like all doors and windows closed and all air conditioning halted, but even a big place such as the parliament building wouldn't get fouled up just because of a few gunshots? What the hell was the man using a musket?

First gunman with rifle killed in centre block. Second with db shotgun on the run.
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