Which Religion is more harmful? Islam or Christianity?

[Fionnuala_Saoirse]

The IRA weren't a Catholic terrorist organisation. They were paramilitaries who just so happened to be predominantly ethnically catholic.

I'm not sure how someone can be "ethnically" Catholic

Fortunately the world isn't based on your ignorance.

[Creepoc Infinite]

Yeah, they're all kinds of mean.

I'd don't particularly love Harris, but I'm going to defend him for a moment, because I'm pretty sure that isn't what he actually argued. I'm not going to go trawling through magazines youtube to find out, but if I remember right he was saying that Creationists and right-wing Christians generally are in some ways easier to deal with, because they actually believe what they profess to believe. Whereas liberal Christians are often impossible to pin down as to what they believe. He was saying that what fundamentalists do is, in some ways, more honest. I don't know if he mentioned WBC in particular, but I don't think he was advocating that they're good people.

And if he was, he can fuck himself.

My point is that even in their honesty, they're fuckwads. There's no other way to describe WBC but as a cluster of fuckwads. And I do hope Harris wasn't implying they're good, because if he is, he's just as disgusting as WBC is.

I'm one of those folks who make the best out of my situations, this sometimes applies to my opinions of other people. The Westboro baptist church is a group of bigoted homophobic assholes.
But they seem that way because they take Christianity seriously. They are what Christians were like right after the time they were persecuted.

[The Rich Port]

Yeah, they're all kinds of mean.

I'd don't particularly love Harris, but I'm going to defend him for a moment, because I'm pretty sure that isn't what he actually argued. I'm not going to go trawling through magazines youtube to find out, but if I remember right he was saying that Creationists and right-wing Christians generally are in some ways easier to deal with, because they actually believe what they profess to believe. Whereas liberal Christians are often impossible to pin down as to what they believe. He was saying that what fundamentalists do is, in some ways, more honest. I don't know if he mentioned WBC in particular, but I don't think he was advocating that they're good people.

And if he was, he can fuck himself.

My point is that even in their honesty, they're fuckwads. There's no other way to describe WBC but as a cluster of fuckwads. And I do hope Harris wasn't implying they're good, because if he is, he's just as disgusting as WBC is.

I don't understand why sincerity all of a sudden gives people a pass.

They're still causing harm, now they're just believing they're doing good.

Here I thought pride was a sin...

[Benuty]

Neither,Judaism is the biggest problem, especially when they have a whole country which gives them great power to either use wisely or abuse.

Given the messiah hasn't restored Israel that example is irrelevant.

[The greater holy roman empire]

I saw a topic get brought up On my "does god exist" thread, so I decided to make another one exploring this topic. Personally I think Christianity is more harmful.
It is more widespread and one of the main problems I see is that Christianity is built partly around the desire to go to heaven after Jesus comes back and destroys the world.
They look forward to Armageddon.

Although they aren't as violent as Muslims, many Christians tend to be just as bigoted as Muslims. Towards, gays, atheists, even blacks still.
They are responsible for many world atrocities, although Islam is as well, and I'm sure Hindus and Zoroastrians were too, but the two big ones seem to have the most bloody history.

What do you guys think?

Islam

[Stagnant Axon Terminal]

I saw a topic get brought up On my "does god exist" thread, so I decided to make another one exploring this topic. Personally I think Christianity is more harmful.
It is more widespread and one of the main problems I see is that Christianity is built partly around the desire to go to heaven after Jesus comes back and destroys the world.
They look forward to Armageddon.

Although they aren't as violent as Muslims, many Christians tend to be just as bigoted as Muslims. Towards, gays, atheists, even blacks still.
They are responsible for many world atrocities, although Islam is as well, and I'm sure Hindus and Zoroastrians were too, but the two big ones seem to have the most bloody history.

What do you guys think?

Islam

is this necessary

[Svatantra Mulukama]

I saw a topic get brought up On my "does god exist" thread, so I decided to make another one exploring this topic. Personally I think Christianity is more harmful.
It is more widespread and one of the main problems I see is that Christianity is built partly around the desire to go to heaven after Jesus comes back and destroys the world.
They look forward to Armageddon.

Although they aren't as violent as Muslims, many Christians tend to be just as bigoted as Muslims. Towards, gays, atheists, even blacks still.
They are responsible for many world atrocities, although Islam is as well, and I'm sure Hindus and Zoroastrians were too, but the two big ones seem to have the most bloody history.

What do you guys think?

Islam

Please, do explain.

[Benuty]

I saw a topic get brought up On my "does god exist" thread, so I decided to make another one exploring this topic. Personally I think Christianity is more harmful.
It is more widespread and one of the main problems I see is that Christianity is built partly around the desire to go to heaven after Jesus comes back and destroys the world.
They look forward to Armageddon.

Although they aren't as violent as Muslims, many Christians tend to be just as bigoted as Muslims. Towards, gays, atheists, even blacks still.
They are responsible for many world atrocities, although Islam is as well, and I'm sure Hindus and Zoroastrians were too, but the two big ones seem to have the most bloody history.

What do you guys think?

Islam

Alex Trebek I call "What is bullshit?" for $400 please.

[Sacred United Rome]

We need good old crusades again to get rid of Islam once and for all.

[The Rich Port]

We need good old crusades again to get rid of Islam once and for all.

I never thought a hipster would ever think the Crusades were cool.

But, here we are, in the smelly armpit of society, wondering where we went wrong.

[Svatantra Mulukama]

We need good old crusades again to get rid of Islam once and for all.

Good old crusades? Because death and destruction is good, amiright?

[Benuty]

We need good old crusades again to get rid of Islam once and for all.

I never thought a hipster would ever think the Crusades were cool.

But, here we are, in the smelly armpit of society, wondering where we went wrong.

Well then..just how did you of all people end up in demon land?

Atheists are supposed to have their souls sent back on earth ( to live life again as a new person) until they choose an afterlife destination.

I am guessing you sold your soul didn't you?

I better contact Death's lawyers they won't be happy.

[Vindex Nation]

I saw a topic get brought up On my "does god exist" thread, so I decided to make another one exploring this topic. Personally I think Christianity is more harmful.
It is more widespread and one of the main problems I see is that Christianity is built partly around the desire to go to heaven after Jesus comes back and destroys the world.
They look forward to Armageddon.

Although they aren't as violent as Muslims, many Christians tend to be just as bigoted as Muslims. Towards, gays, atheists, even blacks still.
They are responsible for many world atrocities, although Islam is as well, and I'm sure Hindus and Zoroastrians were too, but the two big ones seem to have the most bloody history.

What do you guys think?

Most Harmful??? Are you kidding! I could care less if you are an atheist or not but now you are being arrogant! You call religion evil but that is way to broad. Sure bad things can come from Christianity and bad things can come from Islam but likewise bad things can come from Atheism and any other beliefs or views. You need to weigh the odds on the evils and good deads of a group to really determine how they are. Look around you and you will see good things comming from Christianity everywhere, hospitals, charities, and many many many many other orginazations helping people locally and abroad. Yet all you can do is criticize it because you don't believe and you think that you are supperoir to them because you are not involved in a religion. And a quote from George W. Bush (a person you probably hate but I'm going to give the quote to you anyways.) The day he declaired war on terrorism he said "Islam is a peaceful faith, and the extremists who threaten our country are traitors to there own faith."

[Fanosolia]

We need good old crusades again to get rid of Islam once and for all.

The words, "you can't kill an idea" come to mind. along with "what the hell does that solve?"

[Benuty]

This thread has done been broken.

It just might be a sign.

[Fanosolia]

This thread has done been broken.

It just might be a sign.

Oh and I thought it was a glitch on my I pad XD
Do this happen often?

[Creepoc Infinite]

I saw a topic get brought up On my "does god exist" thread, so I decided to make another one exploring this topic. Personally I think Christianity is more harmful.
It is more widespread and one of the main problems I see is that Christianity is built partly around the desire to go to heaven after Jesus comes back and destroys the world.
They look forward to Armageddon.

Although they aren't as violent as Muslims, many Christians tend to be just as bigoted as Muslims. Towards, gays, atheists, even blacks still.
They are responsible for many world atrocities, although Islam is as well, and I'm sure Hindus and Zoroastrians were too, but the two big ones seem to have the most bloody history.

What do you guys think?

Most Harmful??? Are you kidding! I could care less if you are an atheist or not but now you are being arrogant! You call religion evil but that is way to broad. Sure bad things can come from Christianity and bad things can come from Islam but likewise bad things can come from Atheism and any other beliefs or views. You need to weigh the odds on the evils and good deads of a group to really determine how they are. Look around you and you will see good things comming from Christianity everywhere, hospitals, charities, and many many many many other orginazations helping people locally and abroad. Yet all you can do is criticize it because you don't believe and you think that you are supperoir to them because you are not involved in a religion. And a quote from George W. Bush (a person you probably hate but I'm going to give the quote to you anyways.) The day he declaired war on terrorism he said "Islam is a peaceful faith, and the extremists who threaten our country are traitors to there own faith."

Before you make accusations of me making arrogant assumptions, perhaps you shouldn't make assumptions about me.
I acknowledge that good stuff comes from Christianity, but that bad outwit eights the good in my opinion. And all those hospitals, clinics, charities and so on, that churches are responsible for, that's not something that you need Christianity to do.
An atheist is just as capable of starting charities and so on.
The reason I don't think it counts is that it's not exclusive to Christianity, so what ideas, exclusive to Christianity, or religion, are good?

[Indira]

The answer? Niether. The FOLLOWERS are by far the more harmful and I suspect they would be harmful WHATEVER their religion was.

[Yalos]

The answer? Niether. The FOLLOWERS are by far the more harmful and I suspect they would be harmful WHATEVER their religion was.

This.

[Herskerstad]

My point is that even in their honesty, they're fuckwads. There's no other way to describe WBC but as a cluster of fuckwads. And I do hope Harris wasn't implying they're good, because if he is, he's just as disgusting as WBC is.

I'm one of those folks who make the best out of my situations, this sometimes applies to my opinions of other people. The Westboro baptist church is a group of bigoted homophobic assholes.
But they seem that way because they take Christianity seriously. They are what Christians were like right after the time they were persecuted.

Like hell they are. The early church fathers were persecuted, continually either humbled or martyred for their faith. They aided sinners of all stripes, including homosexuals, on the long road towards salvation. If they were to protest outside the funeral of an emperor saying he was in hell, that would have been as good as a collective declaration of war against the Roman Empire and a much more intensified persecution would have taken place, and it is exceptionally unlikely they would have gained any level of traction if they carried a message anywhere close to that of the WBC.

I'll say this much, you've spouted completely inarticulate, unrehearsed nonsense from the first post, you are taking situations that could only hold any level of reality inside your own mind and holds no bounds with historical accuracies. I get that you are angry with something, but that does not give you the right to pain others, which regardless of bias will have some historical idea of how things actually were with what you may have hoped it to be. I'd love for you to make contrasts between Fred Phelps and Ignatious, or Clement, or any of the later Greek or Latin church fathers, but at this point I'd be surprised if you held any level of knowledge about them because the parallel you made is so..... wildly outside the realm of reality that it is not even funny. You got plenty of strict Apostles, Paul was not quick to mince words against those which had added to scriptures. Calling them anathema which is mildly put it a strong condemnation, but he did not ape around for the sake of doing it which is core practice within the WBC. Sad as it is, they do what they can to sustain the media attention, which despite the minor size of the group, is all to willing to give it a spotlight.

[Vindex Nation]

Most Harmful??? Are you kidding! I could care less if you are an atheist or not but now you are being arrogant! You call religion evil but that is way to broad. Sure bad things can come from Christianity and bad things can come from Islam but likewise bad things can come from Atheism and any other beliefs or views. You need to weigh the odds on the evils and good deads of a group to really determine how they are. Look around you and you will see good things comming from Christianity everywhere, hospitals, charities, and many many many many other orginazations helping people locally and abroad. Yet all you can do is criticize it because you don't believe and you think that you are supperoir to them because you are not involved in a religion. And a quote from George W. Bush (a person you probably hate but I'm going to give the quote to you anyways.) The day he declaired war on terrorism he said "Islam is a peaceful faith, and the extremists who threaten our country are traitors to there own faith."

Before you make accusations of me making arrogant assumptions, perhaps you shouldn't make assumptions about me.
I acknowledge that good stuff comes from Christianity, but that bad outwit eights the good in my opinion. And all those hospitals, clinics, charities and so on, that churches are responsible for, that's not something that you need Christianity to do.
An atheist is just as capable of starting charities and so on.
The reason I don't think it counts is that it's not exclusive to Christianity, so what ideas, exclusive to Christianity, or religion, are good?

Than how come they have not? I am sure there are small ones but Christians hold all of the major ones and I guarantee that there will always be more charities, hospitals, and originations held by Christians than atheists will Ever hold.

[Summerset Plains]

I saw a topic get brought up On my "does god exist" thread, so I decided to make another one exploring this topic. Personally I think Christianity is more harmful.
It is more widespread and one of the main problems I see is that Christianity is built partly around the desire to go to heaven after Jesus comes back and destroys the world.
They look forward to Armageddon.

Although they aren't as violent as Muslims, many Christians tend to be just as bigoted as Muslims. Towards, gays, atheists, even blacks still.
They are responsible for many world atrocities, although Islam is as well, and I'm sure Hindus and Zoroastrians were too, but the two big ones seem to have the most bloody history.

What do you guys think?

If you mean the KKK when talking about racism in Christianity then remember the fact that they hate Jews even though Jesus was the king of the Jews and the fact that they support Hitler even though Hitler was Neo Pagan/Odinist and supported Islam and killed Christians in the holocaust.

Muslims are bigoted to gays too, even more so than us Christians, whereas we want to ban gay marriage and gay adoption they want to behead them, they are also very Anti Semitic, just compare the Qu'ran to Mein Kampf or the newpapers in Nazi Germany to that of Saudi Arabia both show Jews as greedy and corrupt. Islam also has no respect for human rights, it has no respect for free speech, forces women to wear burkhas and the quran gives permission to a man to beat or rape his wife or to molest children just like the prophet Muhammad did, Muhammad was a warlord and pedophile yet they consider him the perfect man? It's disgusting, you get Muslims who believe this neo nazi stuff about holocaust denial.

Pretty sure you cant read Arabic, if you could.. You wouldn't get that interpretation. And the Muslims did not rape... If you think this you must be misinformed. Now the Extremists do but do the others? Obviously you and the others who cant read the translation of any book must look at other's false lies and follow... But we surely cannot blame the donkey for laughing at the falling man

[Creepoc Infinite]

Before you make accusations of me making arrogant assumptions, perhaps you shouldn't make assumptions about me.
I acknowledge that good stuff comes from Christianity, but that bad outwit eights the good in my opinion. And all those hospitals, clinics, charities and so on, that churches are responsible for, that's not something that you need Christianity to do.
An atheist is just as capable of starting charities and so on.
The reason I don't think it counts is that it's not exclusive to Christianity, so what ideas, exclusive to Christianity, or religion, are good?

Than how come they have not? I am sure there are small ones but Christians hold all of the major ones and I guarantee that there will always be more charities, hospitals, and originations held by Christians than atheists will Ever hold.

Not because they care more, I know atheists who you could say care more than many Christians.
Atheists don't have a massive, rich community of people who think the same as each other. Christians do, they have more resources, not to mention that they also have more people on their side. All these variable factor into why you'll probably see more Christian charities. Understand that the majority of Americans are Christians.
However, regardless, atheists, Muslims, really anyone, can do humanitarian stuff, it has little to do with Christianity. Christians may have religious motivations, but atheists also have their own motives, regardless, humanitarian stuff has onto thing to do with exclusive ideas.

[Summerset Plains]

Also if you think the Quran is about rape and pillage i advise you to go look at the translation. And in Islam we say that both Christianity and Judaism are the same. And that we Muslims are Christians and Jews too. Also i don't get what the answer is? Islam and Christianity are both Equally harmful when extremists are there.

[Mavorpen]

Before you make accusations of me making arrogant assumptions, perhaps you shouldn't make assumptions about me.
I acknowledge that good stuff comes from Christianity, but that bad outwit eights the good in my opinion. And all those hospitals, clinics, charities and so on, that churches are responsible for, that's not something that you need Christianity to do.
An atheist is just as capable of starting charities and so on.
The reason I don't think it counts is that it's not exclusive to Christianity, so what ideas, exclusive to Christianity, or religion, are good?

Than how come they have not? I am sure there are small ones but Christians hold all of the major ones and I guarantee that there will always be more charities, hospitals, and originations held by Christians than atheists will Ever hold.

Uh... no shit that if Christians are the majority of the world's population there are going to be more charities and hospitals run by Christians. That's a given. That doesn't refute his point at all.