Oppressed Minority Seeks Political Power at Ballot Box

[United States of The One Percent]

Firstly, how exactly are these criminals "oppressed?"

Because they are being held in confinement after having completed their sentences with little prospect at the moment of ever being freed. The federal courts are on the case, however.

[United States of The One Percent]

Well? Has anybody reviewed the success rates of their rehabilitation program?

Anyway; if they served their punishment and made an effort to rehabilitate; aren't we supposed to let them back into society?

The federal courts are looking into the question of whether there are even any standards at all for release from the "rehabilitation" program. It is looking more and more like a case of state politicians being unwilling to release anyone at all, because once someone they released went on to commit a rape-murder.

[Divitaen]

Just out of curiousity, what kind of political platform are these eligible voters looking for? Because I'd assume a coalition is looking for some kind of collaborative political change and all.

[United States of The One Percent]

Just out of curiosity, what kind of political platform are these eligible voters looking for? Because I'd assume a coalition is looking for some kind of collaborative political change and all.

From what I gather, let us go out on leave without having to be shacked all the time and give us a rehabilitation program with some chance of completion.

[Pope Joan]

When you hear "sex offender", it sounds awful, like a fearsome predator. One guy I know was seduced by the 16 year old family babysitter. Now he has a label for life, can't live within a mile of a church or school. Bad move, dumb? Sure. But he's no fearful predator. It's become a very wide net in which many kinds of people are caught. Another guy I know was a hebophile who had pictures of busty naked 15 year olds on his computer (no violence or coercion, just smiling pictures); for that, he's now got the label too.

So let's not paint them all with the same brush.

[Herskerstad]

Firstly, how exactly are these criminals "oppressed?"

Because they are being held in confinement after having completed their sentences with little prospect at the moment of ever being freed. The federal courts are on the case, however.

Oh, the poor rapists and child molesters not enjoying total non-supervision? Poor oppressed proletariat that they are.

You know what a suitable sentence for a person who fucks an infant, or rapes others in a violent fashion? I'll give you a hint, it involves never seeing the light of day again. If it is in a facility or 6 feet under I am largely indifferent towards, let alone empowering them with emancipation and allowing them to do as they want unsupervised outside of the system.

[The Liberated Territories]

Yes. Just because you are incarcerated doesn't eliminate your citizenship.

[Scomagia]

Because they are being held in confinement after having completed their sentences with little prospect at the moment of ever being freed. The federal courts are on the case, however.

Oh, the poor rapists and child molesters not enjoying total non-supervision? Poor oppressed proletariat that they are.

You know what a suitable sentence for a person who fucks an infant, or rapes others in a violent fashion? I'll give you a hint, it involves never seeing the light of day again. If it is in a facility or 6 feet under I am largely indifferent towards, let alone empowering them with emancipation and allowing them to do as they want unsupervised outside of the system.

All sex-offenders are rapists and child molesters?

[The Sotoan Union]

Wonder what kind of policies they would push if elected?

But no they should still be able to vote. It's a basic right of a citizen.

[Scomagia]

Wonder what kind of policies they would push if elected?

But no they should still be able to vote. It's a basic right of a citizen.

They likely wouldn't vote so different from others of their respective socio-economic groups. I can see them pushing for lower sentences and reform of the sex-offender registry, which is an asinine system and, in my opinion, a travesty of justice.

[United States of The One Percent]

Oh, the poor rapists and child molesters not enjoying total non-supervision? Poor oppressed proletariat that they are.

You know what a suitable sentence for a person who fucks an infant, or rapes others in a violent fashion? I'll give you a hint, it involves never seeing the light of day again. If it is in a facility or 6 feet under I am largely indifferent towards, let alone empowering them with emancipation and allowing them to do as they want unsupervised outside of the system.

Fine; then sentence them to life without parole or death. But these inmates were sentenced to and served their terms of years. They are now being confined beyond those terms, under a "rehabilitation" regime under which no more than three have been released, because some of them might reoffend. Every day murderers, robbers and thugs are let out of confinement after completing their sentences; some of them do reoffend. What is the reason, other than a political cowardice attempting to trump the rights of individuals, to keep these people in confinement?

[Ieperithem]

Someone who deliberately attacks the rule of law forfeits the right to its advantages. While 'accidental' or victimless crimes, such as, say, traffic violations, would obviously not warrant a loss of voting rights, high scale theft, premeditated assault, rape, or murder should certainly warrant disenfranchisement if the state decides it.

[Greater Weselton]

People in prison should have the right to vote.

[Scomagia]

Someone who deliberately attacks the rule of law forfeits the right to its advantages. While 'accidental' or victimless crimes, such as, say, traffic violations, would obviously not warrant a loss of voting rights, high scale theft, premeditated assault, rape, or murder should certainly warrant disenfranchisement if the state decides it.

You say that they should be disenfranchised, yet you fail to say why. If they're denied the right to vote, what other rights should they have stripped? You mention forfeiting the advantages of the rule of law, are you referring to making them outlaws in the original sense of the word?

[Gauthier]

Convicted murderers don't get half the shit sex offenders go through. There's no Murderer Registry anywhere and convicted murderers don't have to let neighbors know what they did or stay away from certain residential zones. That speaks volumes.

[Gauthier]

Oh, the poor rapists and child molesters not enjoying total non-supervision? Poor oppressed proletariat that they are.

You know what a suitable sentence for a person who fucks an infant, or rapes others in a violent fashion? I'll give you a hint, it involves never seeing the light of day again. If it is in a facility or 6 feet under I am largely indifferent towards, let alone empowering them with emancipation and allowing them to do as they want unsupervised outside of the system.

Fine; then sentence them to life without parole or death. But these inmates were sentenced to and served their terms of years. They are now being confined beyond those terms, under a "rehabilitation" regime under which no more than three have been released, because some of them might reoffend. Every day murderers, robbers and thugs are let out of confinement after completing their sentences; some of them do reoffend. What is the reason, other than a political cowardice attempting to trump the rights of individuals, to keep these people in confinement?

Because it's a legacy of the country's colonization by Puritans that sexual crimes are held as ultimate evil, moreso than even murder. Hell, in Florida there are homeless colonies of sex offenders simply because of onerous zoning restrictions placed on them.

[Norstal]

Wonder what kind of policies they would push if elected?

But no they should still be able to vote. It's a basic right of a citizen.

They likely wouldn't vote so different from others of their respective socio-economic groups. I can see them pushing for lower sentences and reform of the sex-offender registry, which is an asinine system and, in my opinion, a travesty of justice.

Only the people who go through it understands how terrible the system is. It's the same with immigration. The majority of people who can vote haven't been on the receiving end of immigration.

[Glorious Freedonia]

A pervert has nothing to say that society should allow itself to listen to. They waived their right to vote.

[Gauthier]

A pervert has nothing to say that society should allow itself to listen to. They waived their right to vote.

If you get put on a Sex Offender Registry for public urination then you waived your right to vote. *nod nod*

[Galloism]

A pervert has nothing to say that society should allow itself to listen to. They waived their right to vote.

If you get put on a Sex Offender Registry for public urination then you waived your right to vote. *nod nod*

Unfortunately, for the thinking people among us, that reduces "sex offender" to "uh, welcome to our neighborhood".

... unfortunately, I'm afraid the "thinking people" might be in the minority.

[Ifreann]

A pervert has nothing to say that society should allow itself to listen to. They waived their right to vote.

But not their right to speak freely, which is odd. A "pervert" could run a campaign encouraging hundreds, thousands, or even millions of people to vote a certain way, but we cannot allow them their own vote.

[United States of The One Percent]

... unfortunately, I'm afraid the "thinking people" might be in the minority.

That penny finally dropped for you then. Good.

[Herskerstad]

Oh, the poor rapists and child molesters not enjoying total non-supervision? Poor oppressed proletariat that they are.

You know what a suitable sentence for a person who fucks an infant, or rapes others in a violent fashion? I'll give you a hint, it involves never seeing the light of day again. If it is in a facility or 6 feet under I am largely indifferent towards, let alone empowering them with emancipation and allowing them to do as they want unsupervised outside of the system.

All sex-offenders are rapists and child molesters?

First page.

.... I will agree that the sex offender registry sometimes get ridiculous additions and that the barrier between getting into the sex offender registry, and general misdemeanors should be wider, but for the actual bad guys? The rapists, child molesters and such? Keep them and their votes in the oubliette for all I care. Scum of the earth that they are.

Oh, the poor rapists and child molesters not enjoying total non-supervision? Poor oppressed proletariat that they are.

You know what a suitable sentence for a person who fucks an infant, or rapes others in a violent fashion? I'll give you a hint, it involves never seeing the light of day again. If it is in a facility or 6 feet under I am largely indifferent towards, let alone empowering them with emancipation and allowing them to do as they want unsupervised outside of the system.

Fine; then sentence them to life without parole or death. But these inmates were sentenced to and served their terms of years. They are now being confined beyond those terms, under a "rehabilitation" regime under which no more than three have been released, because some of them might reoffend. Every day murderers, robbers and thugs are let out of confinement after completing their sentences; some of them do reoffend. What is the reason, other than a political cowardice attempting to trump the rights of individuals, to keep these people in confinement?

They are generally being released from jail or prison early, by cutting a deal with the state, which requires some supervision, some deals that can vary from not going near kindergartens or wearing a braclet. It is cutting down what would be prison and jail time and putting them on a 'trial' for getting back to normal life. Violation makes them go back to complete the prison term and the supervision period generally only mimics the time that was left on their original sentence. Part of the justification of this is that it makes it easy for police to see if the individuals can reintegrate into society and about half of them do, not to somehow shackle them beyond their sentence. It is a mercy to them as well as an attempt of society to see if they can re-integrate.

Though when it comes to voting, nope, violent criminals and big time sex offenders offers no context in which society should advance in light of.

[Genivaria]

I would support allowing FORMER inmates to retain the right to vote.
As for current inmates...I think it should not be extended to the worst cases but I would approve of the idea in general.

[Vamtrl]

No. They are isolated for a reason.