Detroit woman shot and killed for not giving phone number.

[Gigaverse]

Er, OP, surely you realise this is a very isolated incident? It's awful someone was killed over something so trivial as it appears, but this kind of thing is not something that happens every minute of every day. Please don't tarnish all of us (men) with the same brush; you're in danger of implying that from your post.

Is it now?

Surely, these sore losers need to stop and deal with it already. What's with killing people for the failure that can only be blamed on them?

[Scepez]

Uh, no you didn't.
All you said was "IS TOO SO!" Providing no actual reason.

Nah. If you're really so hurt by having to find a single case from this year, find some recent cases of female on male violence due to rejection.

The media tends to not report on those kind of things, now do they?
Anyway, okay, I found nothing according to Google, but that STILL isn't an excuse for women to start doing the same thing to men.

[Laerod]

If you want me to answer your posts, please make sense.

GO.FIND.A.GRAPH.OR.SOMETHING.TO.PROVE.YOUR.POINT!

The point I'm making? That people are whining about how it's unfair that women, when faced with examples of men killing women for rejecting them, are afraid that men might kill them for rejecting them? Read the thread. It's nothing but examples of that happening.

[Greater Beggnig]

What the hell, OP.

Making this an "men feel entitled" thing out of one idiot's decision to go on a killing spree is not acceptable.

Because of course, the trigger for his killing spree being the rejection by a woman couldn't possibly be explained by his belief that he was entitled to women. And of course, Elliott Rodger was an isolated incident, completely cut off from any societal messages. It's completely coincidental that these two men went on a killing spree specifically because they were rejected by women.

Okay, Elliott Rodger is a special case. He was fucking crazy. He talked about himself like he was a god and said he would like to commit genocide on the entire human race. Male entitlement comes into play in that situation, but it wasn't the primary factor, he clearly had issues upstairs. The fact that he was utterly bonkers PLUS our bad society was what caused the problem. Neither can be considered completely responsible. One could argue that without either of those factors, he would no have done what he would have done. If he wasn't crazy, maybe he wouldn't have gone on a killing spree, but if our society was better, he probably wouldn't have done it either. I mean, he killed just as many men as women, but I digress.

[Scepez]

GO.FIND.A.GRAPH.OR.SOMETHING.TO.PROVE.YOUR.POINT!

The point I'm making? That people are whining about how it's unfair that women, when faced with examples of men killing women for rejecting them, are afraid that men might kill them for rejecting them? Read the thread. It's nothing but examples of that happening.

There is a difference in being afraid, and then going to preach it around on the internet as intentional slander.

[Ostroeuropa]

Harassment? No, no ofcourse not.
But here's the thing.

If I waltz up to a woman and hit on her, i'm not harassing her if I go away afterward.
Nor is the next guy.
Nor the next.

Now this might get really fucking tedious for the woman involved to get hit on by a hundred guys, but none of it is harassment, and maybe if she engaged more and went and hit on people, the rest of the men in the room wouldn't be sat there wondering.
"Hm, does she like me?"
because they'd see "Oh, she likes him."


The guy who shot the woman? That's the kind of shit that happens when you meet lots and lots of people.
One of them is going to be crazy.
So how can women get hit on less and meet less people, thus driving down the pool of crazies?
Plenty of ways.

But no, it's men who've got to change. We have to, somehow, prevent ourselves being insane.
Got forbid women do something to better their own situation in an actually possible way though, it's easier to be completely passive and demand others change.
Because men do things and women have things done to them. And they dont want to change that.

This is all spoken like someone who has never had to deal with unwanted advances.

I've dealt with unwanted advances.
And again, is that your entire argument?

Just some vague insinuation that i'm sexually unpopular?
Good job contributing to more women getting shot, guy.
Clearly, if I'm sexually unpopular that's something to be ashamed of, right?

I used to be. It changed. Now I know how fucking ridiculous feminists are being about this line of complaint, because getting hit on, while tedious, is a good thing. Yes, one or two will go crazy. That's what happens. Get over it.

Whining about how women have to deal with crazies and men don't?

It's because women ask men out far less. If they did, there'd be just as many crazy women seen in public.

So, men have to do all the work, have to put up with being shat on as a demographic when one of them fucks up, and women?
Just stand there and look pretty. That's your job. Don't bother changing it, it's the men who are the problem, right?

After all, you've spend decades complaining about how society makes you passive and all that, why change now?

[New Celisia]

http://www.myfoxdetroit.com/story/26719319/mass-shooting-kills-mother-of-three-wounds-five-others

Men, whenever you question why we don't tell you why we aren't interested, this is why. Whenever we "lead you on", this is why.

This is why women fear men. This is why we avoid you in the street, in the club, everywhere. Because you might decide to shoot us.

I bet this woman encountered hundreds of unsolicited requests for her phone number over the years. However, it only took one pissed off guy to decide that her refusal warranted the death penalty to end her life, and leave another man without a fiancé, and 3 children without a mother.

So NSG, what say you? Is this yet another example of the way our culture believes men are entitled to women, or is this simply a tragic, crazy once-off.

You're a bit of an extremist don't you think? Not all men are out to get women. I grew up in a small town in Oregon and was always taught to respect women, and treat them as equals. I have a wife and a son on the way, and we are both incredibly happy. I've never threatened to shoot her. I'm not out to get her. This is ridiculous.

[Ieperithem]

This is Detroit we're talking about. There's a culture of no self control and extensive entitlement. People get government jobs where they don't work, free money when they're too lazy for that, crime is essentially unpunished by their crippled and ineffective police force, and the citizens who voted themselves into dystopia are constantly told to blame someone else for their situation by every politician that shows up there looking for their support. Quite frankly, it isn't surprising at all that a guy there attacked a girl for saying 'no' to him; it's probably the first time anyone has done so.

[Ravenflight]

GO.FIND.A.GRAPH.OR.SOMETHING.TO.PROVE.YOUR.POINT!

The point I'm making? That people are whining about how it's unfair that women, when faced with examples of men killing women for rejecting them, are afraid that men might kill them for rejecting them? Read the thread. It's nothing but examples of that happening.

I have seen nothing which says that men are more likely to be rejected from a date because their men

[Greater Beggnig]

This is all spoken like someone who has never had to deal with unwanted advances.

Just some vague insinuation that i'm sexually unpopular?
Good job contributing to more women getting shot, guy.
Clearly, if I'm sexually unpopular that's something to be ashamed of, right?

http://img3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20121007165231/adventuretimewithfinnandjake/images/2/2b/Apply_cold_water_to_burned_area.jpeg

[Laerod]

Nah. If you're really so hurt by having to find a single case from this year, find some recent cases of female on male violence due to rejection.

The media tends to not report on those kind of things, now do they?

Why not? If it bleeds, it ledes. Hell, I remember at least two stories where women went to extreme lengths to screw over their "competition"; the astronaut Lisa Nowak and Paula Broadwell. I have no doubts that the media would report on these things.

Anyway, okay, I found nothing according to Google,

And you would have to to maintain your point.

but that STILL isn't an excuse for women to start doing the same thing to men.

No shit Sherlock. That's probably why nobody's claiming that.

[Sdaeriji]

I've dealt with unwanted advances.
And again, is that your entire argument?

Just some vague insinuation that i'm sexually unpopular?
Good job contributing to more women getting shot, guy.
Clearly, if I'm sexually unpopular that's something to be ashamed of, right?

I used to be. It changed. Now I know how fucking ridiculous feminists are being about this line of complaint, because getting hit on, while tedious, is a good thing.

God, get off your fucking cross. I made no implications about your sexual popularity in my statement. If you read into my post and got that, that's your own insecurities, not anything I did. Stop projecting.

I find it hard to believe you've actually been sexually harassed. I have, by a woman much more powerful than me. It is an incredibly uncomfortable experience, to have your agency taken away from you like that. Only someone who has never experienced that feeling would call it a "privilege".

[Ostroeuropa]

Just some vague insinuation that i'm sexually unpopular?
Good job contributing to more women getting shot, guy.
Clearly, if I'm sexually unpopular that's something to be ashamed of, right?

http://img3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20121007165231/adventuretimewithfinnandjake/images/2/2b/Apply_cold_water_to_burned_area.jpeg

You honestly don't see the connection by these kind of implications, and people getting shot for rejecting people?
I can't be the only one.

"How fucking dare you condemn me to second class citizen status!" *BANG!*

[Scepez]

No shit Sherlock. That's probably why nobody's claiming that.

And yet you constantly pestered for reports on those things.
If you really thought that, you wouldn't have demanded them so bad in the first place.

[Laerod]

The point I'm making? That people are whining about how it's unfair that women, when faced with examples of men killing women for rejecting them, are afraid that men might kill them for rejecting them? Read the thread. It's nothing but examples of that happening.

There is a difference in being afraid, and then going to preach it around on the internet as intentional slander.

Oh man. This is just stupid. Saint Jade is explaining why she's afraid and suddenly it's slander.

This bears repeating:

We must remember who the real victims in a shooting of a woman that rejected the advances of a man are: Men who might have a harder time to get a date because of it.

[Ostroeuropa]

I've dealt with unwanted advances.
And again, is that your entire argument?

Just some vague insinuation that i'm sexually unpopular?
Good job contributing to more women getting shot, guy.
Clearly, if I'm sexually unpopular that's something to be ashamed of, right?

I used to be. It changed. Now I know how fucking ridiculous feminists are being about this line of complaint, because getting hit on, while tedious, is a good thing.

God, get off your fucking cross. I made no implications about your sexual popularity in my statement. If you read into my post and got that, that's your own insecurities, not anything I did. Stop projecting.

I find it hard to believe you've actually been sexually harassed. I have, by a woman much more powerful than me. It is an incredibly uncomfortable experience, to have your agency taken away from you like that. Only someone who has never experienced that feeling would call it a "privilege".

An actual harassment is something society shouldn't tolerate, I agree.
Physical contact without consent, or repeated verbal engagement on the subject when told to stop. And yes, I've experienced it.
Albeit, it didn't bother me too much. That happens sometimes you know. Some people just dont care as much about some shit.
I'm not devaluing someones experience if I say
"Well, I had my ass groped and it didn't particularly bother me, though I didn't want them to do it. It was annoying. But that's me."

[Laerod]

You're a bit of an extremist don't you think? Not all men are out to get women. I grew up in a small town in Oregon and was always taught to respect women, and treat them as equals. I have a wife and a son on the way, and we are both incredibly happy. I've never threatened to shoot her. I'm not out to get her. This is ridiculous. :P

Not all smokers are likely to kill me for asking them to put out their cigarettes in a nonsmoking area but you're nuts if you think I'll risk my life to find out.

[Ostroeuropa]

There is a difference in being afraid, and then going to preach it around on the internet as intentional slander.

Oh man. This is just stupid. Saint Jade is explaining why she's afraid and suddenly it's slander.

This bears repeating:

We must remember who the real victims in a shooting of a woman that rejected the advances of a man are: Men who might have a harder time to get a date because of it.

Afraid of MEN as a demographic.
Because of something one did.

"I'm afraid of arabs."
Is that ok?
Or is that racist?

[Laerod]

No shit Sherlock. That's probably why nobody's claiming that.

And yet you constantly pestered for reports on those things.
If you really thought that, you wouldn't have demanded them so bad in the first place.

Asking you if it happens to any significant degree is most definitely not the same thing as approving of such behavior.

[Scepez]

Oh man. This is just stupid. Saint Jade is explaining why she's afraid and suddenly it's slander.

Yes, there was totally no intentional intent to show that men are evil pricks *nod*

We must remember who the real victims in a shooting of a woman that rejected the advances of a man are: Men who might have a harder time to get a date because of it.

At which point did people say that?
You are completely trying to steer the topic off.
What I don't like is the accusation of a bigger group due to a few bad eggs.
Replace men and woman with let's say French and African, and you got racism.

[Scepez]

And yet you constantly pestered for reports on those things.
If you really thought that, you wouldn't have demanded them so bad in the first place.

Asking you if it happens to any significant degree is most definitely not the same thing as approving of such behavior.

I already said before that "Okay, one does happen a little more than the other".
But if we are going to try and stamp out one, might as well work on the other too.

[Floramara]

This is so ridiculous, I'm not even going to debate you on it.

[Ostroeuropa]

I've dealt with unwanted advances.
And again, is that your entire argument?

Just some vague insinuation that i'm sexually unpopular?
Good job contributing to more women getting shot, guy.
Clearly, if I'm sexually unpopular that's something to be ashamed of, right?

I used to be. It changed. Now I know how fucking ridiculous feminists are being about this line of complaint, because getting hit on, while tedious, is a good thing.

God, get off your fucking cross. I made no implications about your sexual popularity in my statement. If you read into my post and got that, that's your own insecurities, not anything I did. Stop projecting.

I find it hard to believe you've actually been sexually harassed. I have, by a woman much more powerful than me. It is an incredibly uncomfortable experience, to have your agency taken away from you like that. Only someone who has never experienced that feeling would call it a "privilege".

You did imply it. You implied that such an argument couldn't be made by someone who gets hit on.
You associated my politics with my sexual popularity.
And then acted as though this was sufficient dismissal of my argument.
It's because of people like you that guys like this went crazy you know. You should stop doing that shit.

[Caraani]

Oh, a feminazi, great, adding that to my zoo list.

[Laerod]

Oh man. This is just stupid. Saint Jade is explaining why she's afraid and suddenly it's slander.

Yes, there was totally no intentional intent to show that men are evil pricks *nod*

There isn't:

http://www.myfoxdetroit.com/story/26719319/mass-shooting-kills-mother-of-three-wounds-five-others

Men, whenever you question why we don't tell you why we aren't interested, this is why. Whenever we "lead you on", this is why.

This is why women fear men. This is why we avoid you in the street, in the club, everywhere. Because you might decide to shoot us.

I bet this woman encountered hundreds of unsolicited requests for her phone number over the years. However, it only took one pissed off guy to decide that her refusal warranted the death penalty to end her life, and leave another man without a fiancé, and 3 children without a mother.

We must remember who the real victims in a shooting of a woman that rejected the advances of a man are: Men who might have a harder time to get a date because of it.

At which point did people say that?
You are completely trying to steer the topic off.
What I don't like is the accusation of a bigger group due to a few bad eggs.
Replace men and woman with let's say French and African, and you got racism.

The vast majority of the posts in this thread are "How dare you suggest it's ok to be afraid of men?!"
The attitude that the only thing that truly matters is how men are being "insulted" or "tarred with a broad brush" when what really matters is that a guy was so convinced he deserved attention from a woman that he shot her. And that's the second time this year alone. And that doesn't include the vast amount of nonlethal harassment and assault that women put up with.