Detroit woman shot and killed for not giving phone number.

[T Roosevelt]

You don't have to ask for that, tell her to give you her number.

At which point she thinks you are an ass and walks away...

Men don't have to stop walking when she decides to start; walk with her.

[Saarth]

While this was sad, it was a very isolated event and your OP was offensive to me. To state that all of society, all of it,is strutted to favor men is ridiculous.

[Neutraligon]

At which point she thinks you are an ass and walks away...

Men don't have to stop walking when she decides to start; walk with her.

Ah then she goes to whoever is controlling the place (bartender, security guard, whatever) and tells the guard that this person is not leaving her alone. At which point said male will be forced to leave said establishment. If there is no on like that around, a call to the cops is in order. Should said person continue to stalk said woman, charges will of course be filed.

[Des-Bal]

Again at which point she thinks you are a jerk and walks away. There is no outright refusal there, she just walks away. (I have done so to exactly that comment). I have also ensured that I was then in an area where said person would not bother me.

That's a potential out but you're acting like it's the only possible course of action, that's just not the case and if you're not just on the street it's not particularly attractive. I've heard of a woman getting dragged halfway out of a club by someone who mistook her for someone else because telling him not to do that might be awkward.

[Neutraligon]

Again at which point she thinks you are a jerk and walks away. There is no outright refusal there, she just walks away. (I have done so to exactly that comment). I have also ensured that I was then in an area where said person would not bother me.

That's a potential out but you're acting like it's the only possible course of action, that's just not the case and if you're not just on the street it's not particularly attractive. I've heard of a woman getting dragged halfway out of a club by someone who mistook her for someone else because telling him not to do that might be awkward.

So have I, that does not mean there is no way to rectify the situation. You said it closes down options because it is an order, I say there are plenty of options that do not involve a direct no.

[Des-Bal]

So have I, that does not mean there is no way to rectify the situation. You said it closes down options because it is an order, I say there are plenty of options that do not involve a direct no.

I didn't say that there was no way to rectify the situation I said it increased transaction costs. Those other options become less attractive and that means It's an effective tactic. It's also a dick move.

[T Roosevelt]

Men don't have to stop walking when she decides to start; walk with her.

Ah then she goes to whoever is controlling the place (bartender, security guard, whatever) and tells the guard that this person is not leaving her alone. At which point said male will be forced to leave said establishment. If there is no on like that around, a call to the cops is in order. Should said person continue to stalk said woman, charges will of course be filed.

Said male did nothing wrong by trying to get her to submit if she's not married or loyal to another man. A woman should carry a gun and if she's not interested in submitting to a man, she should be allowed to defend herself. If she wants absolutely nothing to do with him, she'll pull the trigger on that creep or beat him physically. The police have actual criminals to bust.

[Vamtrl]

http://www.myfoxdetroit.com/story/26719319/mass-shooting-kills-mother-of-three-wounds-five-others

Men, whenever you question why we don't tell you why we aren't interested, this is why. Whenever we "lead you on", this is why.

This is why women fear men. This is why we avoid you in the street, in the club, everywhere. Because you might decide to shoot us.

I bet this woman encountered hundreds of unsolicited requests for her phone number over the years. However, it only took one pissed off guy to decide that her refusal warranted the death penalty to end her life, and leave another man without a fiancé, and 3 children without a mother.

So NSG, what say you? Is this yet another example of the way our culture believes men are entitled to women, or is this simply a tragic, crazy once-off.

please.

[Australian rePublic]

Ultimately, telephones are to blame.

[Neutraligon]

Ah then she goes to whoever is controlling the place (bartender, security guard, whatever) and tells the guard that this person is not leaving her alone. At which point said male will be forced to leave said establishment. If there is no on like that around, a call to the cops is in order. Should said person continue to stalk said woman, charges will of course be filed.

Said male did nothing wrong by trying to get her to submit if she's not married or loyal to another man. A woman should carry a gun and if she's not interested in submitting to a man, she should be allowed to defend herself. If she wants absolutely nothing to do with him, she'll pull the trigger on that creep or beat him physically. The police have actual criminals to bust.

Said male was harassing her, which is illegal. Since she was not in immediate danger, using a gun would have put her in jail, instead of him. Also, did you just advocate murder? Considering he is committing an actual crime...

[The Joseon Dynasty]

I suppose it's a uniquely male way to respond to rejection, and I wouldn't chalk up the recurrence of rejected men hurting people to statistical noise. But I'm not so sure of the implication that you ought to therefore be really scared of men. We need to keep in mind that these incidents are still overwhelmingly unlikely. It's sort of like being really scared of black people because they're statistically significantly more likely to commit violent crime. The factual basis is there for it and we're frequently exposed to it in the media, but the probability that a randomly drawn black person is going to hurt you is very, very low, so much so that behaving as though they're a threat is probably more damaging to how you function in society than it is helpful at keeping you safe.

[Rhodisia]

Men, whenever you question why we don't tell you why we aren't interested, this is why. Whenever we "lead you on", this is why.

This is why women fear men. This is why we avoid you in the street, in the club, everywhere. Because you might decide to shoot us.

Nope. Male gun owner here. I'm responsible with them. Please avoid making broad generalizations about men and gun owners. We aren't a bunch of testosterone-fueled maniacs.

[Greed and Death]

You would think that women would be taught about the rejection hotline.

[T Roosevelt]

Said male did nothing wrong by trying to get her to submit if she's not married or loyal to another man. A woman should carry a gun and if she's not interested in submitting to a man, she should be allowed to defend herself. If she wants absolutely nothing to do with him, she'll pull the trigger on that creep or beat him physically. The police have actual criminals to bust.

Said male was harassing her, which is illegal. Since she was not in immediate danger, using a gun would have put her in jail, instead of him. Also, did you just advocate murder? Considering he is committing an actual crime...

Walking with a woman to persuade her into romance is not harassment. Spending longer time with a woman increases your chances of being her liberator, freeing her from toil, protecting her from degenerates. Attentiveness and small favors are the among the best tools when softening a woman's heart; a man who makes known his love by words is a fool. A man should talk to her, however, words of love must be implied with action, not boldly proclaimed.

[Len Hyet]

http://www.myfoxdetroit.com/story/26719319/mass-shooting-kills-mother-of-three-wounds-five-others

Men, whenever you question why we don't tell you why we aren't interested, this is why. Whenever we "lead you on", this is why.

This is why women fear men. This is why we avoid you in the street, in the club, everywhere. Because you might decide to shoot us.

I bet this woman encountered hundreds of unsolicited requests for her phone number over the years. However, it only took one pissed off guy to decide that her refusal warranted the death penalty to end her life, and leave another man without a fiancé, and 3 children without a mother.

So NSG, what say you? Is this yet another example of the way our culture believes men are entitled to women, or is this simply a tragic, crazy once-off.

http://www.crimelibrary.com/notorious_murders/women/marybeth_tinning/index.html

Judging by this one news article, clearly all women are psychopathic baby killers with no morality and should all be lumped together in the same category and feared and hated.

[Holyrood]

While this is ridiculous, the OP is one of the most confrontational things I've seen in a while. It's Detroit, everyone is afraid that someone will shoot them there. Doesn't matter what sex, colour, etc. The part that really got me was "she was probably asked for her phone number hundreds of times". That's ridiculous, you have no way of knowing this and even so that's an insanely egotistical number. Things like this give feminism a black eye and makes all of us who support feminists look like radicals. Nobody should ever be shot, especially over something so petty, but welcome to Detroit city.

[Chernoslavia]

http://www.myfoxdetroit.com/story/26719319/mass-shooting-kills-mother-of-three-wounds-five-others

Men, whenever you question why we don't tell you why we aren't interested, this is why. Whenever we "lead you on", this is why.

This is why women fear men. This is why we avoid you in the street, in the club, everywhere. Because you might decide to shoot us.

I bet this woman encountered hundreds of unsolicited requests for her phone number over the years. However, it only took one pissed off guy to decide that her refusal warranted the death penalty to end her life, and leave another man without a fiancé, and 3 children without a mother.

So NSG, what say you? Is this yet another example of the way our culture believes men are entitled to women, or is this simply a tragic, crazy once-off.

What the hell are you ranting on about? This was probably some 30 yr old psychotic virgin looking for sex. If you really think the majority of men are as crazy enough as this asshole then I don't think any guy would want to be in a relationship with you.

[Chernoslavia]

Ultimately, telephones are to blame.

No....numbers are. Ban numbers!

[Chernoslavia]

*Looks at title and sees Detroit*
*Thinks to himself that this is nothing new*

I think the OP is a little harsh on us men TBH. Most of us aren't going to act like this, but I could be wrong.

That's the second case of murder because of rejection that we've heard of this year. That's discounting all the unreported cases that amount to "nothing more" than verbal abuse. The OP is utterly correct in pointing out that "he might murder me if I reject him outright" is a legitimate concern because there's no way to tell if the guy asking is that one guy out of a larger statistical number that will murder her. It's like when I come across foxes; I have to treat them as though they have rabies even if none of them do because the consequences of not doing so are just too great if you end up being wrong.

That's a terrible way to think. So what are you suppose to do just accept his request for your number out of fear that he might hurt you? Women should not be afraid to say no. If somebody is hitting on you and your not interested, then have the common sense to refuse. Just don't be a jerk about it and tell him how gross he looks.

[T Roosevelt]

That's the second case of murder because of rejection that we've heard of this year. That's discounting all the unreported cases that amount to "nothing more" than verbal abuse. The OP is utterly correct in pointing out that "he might murder me if I reject him outright" is a legitimate concern because there's no way to tell if the guy asking is that one guy out of a larger statistical number that will murder her. It's like when I come across foxes; I have to treat them as though they have rabies even if none of them do because the consequences of not doing so are just too great if you end up being wrong.

That's a terrible way to think. So what are you suppose to do just accept his request for your number out of fear that he might hurt you? Women should not be afraid to say no. If somebody is hitting on you and your not interested, then have the common sense to refuse. Just don't be a jerk about it and tell him how gross he looks.

This is why every woman in the United States of America should have a gun.

[Chernoslavia]

That's a terrible way to think. So what are you suppose to do just accept his request for your number out of fear that he might hurt you? Women should not be afraid to say no. If somebody is hitting on you and your not interested, then have the common sense to refuse. Just don't be a jerk about it and tell him how gross he looks.

This is why every woman in the United States of America should have a gun.

As long as they're not violent criminals then sure. But they still shouldn't be afraid of rejecting someone, gun or no gun.

[Linux and the X]

If she wants absolutely nothing to do with him, she'll pull the trigger on that creep or beat him physically.

While I'm not exactly opposed to the "kill all men" plan, I suspect you would not actually want it implemented.

If you really think the majority of men are as crazy enough as this asshole then I don't think any guy would want to be in a relationship with you.

It doesn't have to be a majority. If I give you a box of biscuits and tell you one of them is poisoned, are you going to take the risk that you get the poisoned one?

[Galloism]

If she wants absolutely nothing to do with him, she'll pull the trigger on that creep or beat him physically.

While I'm not exactly opposed to the "kill all men" plan, I suspect you would not actually want it implemented.

If you really think the majority of men are as crazy enough as this asshole then I don't think any guy would want to be in a relationship with you.

It doesn't have to be a majority. If I give you a box of biscuits and tell you one of them is poisoned, are you going to take the risk that you get the poisoned one?

A fitting argument to be afraid of and dishonest with black people if I ever heard one.

[Hyfling]

It's funny. If someone were to replace the word 'men' with 'black people' and the word 'women' with 'white people' then this OP would have (rightfully) been considered extremely racist and have been locked with the poster warned, or even banned, long ago. But for some reason, blatant sexism and extreme generalisation of males gets a free pass? Why is that?

[Twilight Imperium]

It's funny. If someone were to replace the word 'men' with 'black people' and the word 'women' with 'white people' then this OP would have (rightfully) been considered extremely racist and have been locked with the poster warned, or even banned, long ago. But for some reason, blatant sexism and extreme generalisation of males gets a free pass? Why is that?

You may not have noticed, but at least half of the posts in this thread are pointing out that very fact.