Lordieth wrote:Saint Jade IV wrote:
I make no argument with regard to gun rights. But while this is extreme, I in no way think that the mentality behind it is manifest in a few deranged individuals. It's inherent in every guy who called me a fucking slut for rejecting him at a bar. It's inherent in every guy that yelled disgusting things out at me walking down the street. It's inherent in every guy who feels it his right to grab my arse in a pub or club, even while I'm holding my boyfriend's hand. It's inherent in every guy who accused a girl of "friend zoning" him, or "leading him on".
It's the idea that women are something that men are entitled to. That the world is a smorgasbord of pussy and any woman who is in public is clearly desperate for the attention of any male who deigns to bestow it on her, and should take it in any form it comes in.
So every self-entitled misogynist who thinks he can cat-call or act inappropriately is a potential killer, is that what you're suggesting? You make a perfectly valid point about a particular subset of men, but you are conflating two things here; killers, and men who treat women like objects. This man happened to be both. He shot her because he's a killer. He grabbed and harassed her because he's a self-entitled sexual harasser. He didn't shoot her because he's a sexual harasser. Given that her hit her, clearly the man was violent, and not all men who are pigs are violent.
That's not to make light of the issue of men treating women this way, but we should be careful not to tar too broadly with the brush.
Again, how do I know whether you're just a self-entitled misogynist who thinks he can catcall me, or one who will take my life if I don't respond in the manner you would like me to? That's the material point.
Idzequitch wrote:Laerod wrote:That's not the argument presented in the OP.Saint Jade IV wrote:So NSG, what say you? Is this yet another example of the way our culture believes men are entitled to women,
Merely answering the question. Neither the majority of men, nor culture, believe that men are in anyway entitled to women. There are isolated incidents, such as this one, but in general, society need not be worried about these "entitled men."
I'm sure that this woman felt the same way. That she didn't need to worry about yet another entitled man.
Furthermore, I dispute the idea that a majority of men don't believe that they are entitled to women on some level. The level of street harassment I experience, and other women experience, the level of vitriol directed at women who choose to speak out about these issues, and the treatment of women who are raped or otherwise assaulted by the media and society suggests that on some level, men do feel entitled to women's time, attention, and bodies.