Suits

[Rhodisia]

I'd do alot of things to be able to wear Polish/Bavarian Napoleonic Dress, you know.
Or the Austrian Grenzers.

Fuck that. I want this.

[Cyrisnia]

I'd do alot of things to be able to wear Polish/Bavarian Napoleonic Dress, you know.
Or the Austrian Grenzers.

Fuck that. I want this.

That too.
(poland best fashion)

[Rhodisia]

(poland best fashion)

polan is of stronk and faszionable

[Ifreann]

Unless they're expected to dress like Charles Dance, then it's fine.

Didn't actually expect to see Charles dance.

No one expects Lord Tywin's booty-rockin'.

---

I'd do alot of things to be able to wear Polish/Bavarian Napoleonic Dress, you know.
Or the Austrian Grenzers.

Fuck that. I want this.

Horses are for life, not just for Christmas.

[Angleter]

What do you think of the convention of wearing suits and ties to work and to job interviews?

I think its absolutely silly and a huge inconvenience.

Western society prides itself for being a very pragmatic, scientific, and advanced society and yet the custom of the suit and tie does nothing but inconvenience the individual needlessly.

The tie especially serves no bloody purpose. NO BLOODY PURPOSE (I'm not exaggerating).

Practical purpose? No. But I don't even want to think about what god-awful things we'd be wearing if we deferred to practicality alone.

The only function of this whole suit and tie thing at job interviews and work is to try and screw over the people who are less dress-etiquette conscious.

Interviewers aren't Joan Rivers. They judge people's dress on the basis of whether they look presentable or not, and the latter tends to indicate that the person hasn't exactly pulled out all the stops for their interview.

And WHY the hell does it have to be a WHITE shirt? A WHITE shirt is the easiest color for employers to notice stains and wrinkles and then judge you that's why! A WHITE shirt is the easiest color for interviewers to pass judgment on you that's why (increased probability they'll see an undershirt if you're not ''man enough'' to stand the cold in the interview room)!

It doesn't.

See what I mean? This whole suit and tie routine is designed to root people out pointlessly. Does someone's ability to handle and wear his shirt the ''appropriate way'' have any bearings on his actual ability to connect with clients, analyze problems, or churn out productive papers? No.

Clients, customers, etc. will most likely 'root people out' the exact same way.

And once again... WHY does it have to be WHITE (Does that have anything to do with racism by any chance)?

It doesn't. And for the love of God, no.

While we're on that topic, I also want to bring a colonial angle to this. A lot of good and bad came from European global domination but this suit and tie custom thingy is decidedly on the bad side. I UNDERSTAND why countries like India, Madagascar, and the Middle East may WISH to pick up on the more productive, pragmatic, and useful aspects from their former colonial rulers. Picking up things like the common law system, the Western scientific method, and infrastructure technology/practices MAKES SENSE. They objectively improve things. What upsets me though, is that this bloody impractical and annoying suit and tie routine has spread worldwide.

Because Westernised commerce was and is done in suits and ties.

WHY do we have to wear suits and ties? They are a pain to maintain, put on, and present. Why can't we wear something else? Why does ''formal'' have to mean annoying? This clearly isn't the only way to go.

Because it's meant to require effort. And, at least historically, money, although there are very few people in the West for whom the price of a suit is prohibitive. Indeed, the fact that a suit can be made out of cheap materials is what makes it relatively democratic as formal attire goes - various traditional dress codes have required the use of silk or some other expensive material.

Look at the Lannisters in Game of Thrones, no one scoffs at them for not being ''formal.'' All Lord Tywin has to do is put on a simple leather top (its expensive leather I'm sure but it doesn't look like it needs to be pressed free of wrinkles every bloody day). Why can't we just pick up that tradition? Why are we stuck with the annoying suit and tie thing? Why can't we just follow the Tyrell-Lannister model of formal dress? There are some things medieval people do better I tell you.

Medieval courtly attire (and non-Western traditional courtly attire) was not necessarily simple. In fact, I'd wager it was (and is) generally more complex.

Why's this suit and tie thing gone global? Its partly an unfortunate consequence of colonialism I tell you. Now I can't even escape this annoying thing by flying off to Egypt or some other non-Western country, or to China or Japan for example. They ALL BLOODY HAVE IT because they all want to be in good concert with the British and the Americans. Now if CHINA had been the world's most powerful country, I bet we wouldn't be stuck with this suit and tie routine. Maybe then we'd all get to wear really simple robes or just slap a jacket on.

Well, we'd have to wear a formal type of hanfu. Not cheap, not simple.

We should change formal dress. There are three ways you could go instead.

1. The first is obviously to get rid of this concept of ''formal dress.'' Its inherently judgemental and promotes superficial appearance-based judging. Like I said, its ridiculous to dismiss people from interviews or judge them because they ''failed'' your little dressing test. Focus on the actual skills please.

But it is relevant, both to the fact that clients and suchlike can and do judge based on attire, and to the fact that interviewers want someone who's taken the time and effort to present themselves well to them.

2. The second approach is where you could change the formal dress requirements so they are a little less onerous. My suggestion about wearing the simple Lannister brown/black leather tops or the Tyrell colored top jackets (look at what Loras Tyrell was wearing in Season 4, it looks so beautiful and yet so SIMPLE to maintain and wear). PLEASE be pragmatic about this. Let's not all fuss about how to maintain white shirts and ties and work with these incredibly clunky requirements.

Textured leather coats are not cheap, and probably not exactly easy to maintain.

3. There's a third way. The law steps in. On ALL INTERVIEW days people are allowed to wear whatever the hell they want and if someone discriminates on that basis, the law can step in.

Oh, Jesus Christ.

Personally, I like the second idea. We can still have formal dress, but it can be less cumbersome and annoying on everyone and less stressful (a Lannister-Tyrell style leather/silk top is harder to stain and you don't need to tie some ridiculous knot).

What do you think about the suit and tie tradition? What do you think accounts for their prevalence? Does it annoy you? What should be done about it?

I think it's more or less fine as it is, although I'd quite like to see traditional formal attire in non-Western countries make something of a comeback in those countries. It's worth noting also that it's not absolute - manual jobs notwithstanding, some companies aren't fond of ties (Virgin), and some are even less formal.

[Laerod]

Didn't actually expect to see Charles dance.

No one expects Lord Tywin's booty-rockin'.

Lady Oleanna did. Seemed rather surprised when he didn't admit to it.

[Cyrisnia]

(poland best fashion)

polan is of stronk and faszionable

[New Aerios]

Suits are cool. Your logic is not. To counter this perceived threat of a loss of freedom imposed by an employer preferring people to wear a certain type of clothing, you're advocating a definite loss of freedom, presumably imposed by the state, by banning that type of clothing.

Also, I get the feeling you just want the world to work like Game of Thrones. It doesn't. If it did, you'd be dead in seconds.

[Arglorand]

Suits are cool. Your logic is not. To counter this perceived threat of a loss of freedom imposed by an employer preferring people to wear a certain type of clothing, you're advocating a definite loss of freedom, presumably imposed by the state, by banning that type of clothing.

Also, I get the feeling you just want the world to work like Game of Thrones. It doesn't. If it did, you'd be dead in seconds.

I'd give him a minute, personally.

Just a minute.

[Distruzio]

Also, I get the feeling you just want the world to work like Game of Thrones. It doesn't. If it did, you'd be dead in seconds.

To fair, we'd all likely be dead in seconds. That universe is harsh.

[Zaldakki]

A WHITE shirt is the easiest color for interviewers to pass judgment on you that's why (increased probability they'll see an undershirt if you're not ''man enough'' to stand the cold in the interview room)!

What? My uniform at school is a white dress shirt and tie, and people judge me for not wearing an undershirt. I hate undershirts because I overheat in them.

And on the few days I do decide to wear an undershirt, I always end up taking it off because of the heat.

[Cyrisnia]

What? My uniform at school is a white dress shirt and tie, and people judge me for not wearing an undershirt. I hate undershirts because I overheat in them.

And on the few days I do decide to wear an undershirt, I always end up taking it off because of the heat.

Tank top?

[Arcturus Novus]

And on the few days I do decide to wear an undershirt, I always end up taking it off because of the heat.

Tank top?

Or a T-shirt. I typically wear a thin T-shirt underneath if I'm wearing a suit or dress shirt.

[Great Kleomentia]

I love how every inconvenience you face in life is taken as some dreadful calamity facing society, and how your go-to solutions are either emulating Game of Thrones or imposing tyrannical laws.

^

[Cyrisnia]

I love how every inconvenience you face in life is taken as some dreadful calamity facing society, and how your go-to solutions are either emulating Game of Thrones or imposing tyrannical laws.

^

[Nazi Flower Power]

Now I can't even escape this annoying thing by flying off to Egypt or some other non-Western country, or to China or Japan for example.

Visit China before you say that. Japan is terrible about demanding formal attire, but China allows sloppy attire for all but a very few select jobs in specific industries. It is much more relaxed than the US in that regard.

What do you think about the suit and tie tradition? What do you think accounts for their prevalence? Does it annoy you? What should be done about it?

It is annoying. "Professional attire" is one of several reasons that I now work in a warehouse instead of an office. It's not the only reason, but I do like being asked to dress in a practical way rather than an arbitrary image-based dress code.

[Vancouvia]

I agreed with OP; suits are an unnecessary facet of life. I don't think girls should have to wear high heels, and I don't think guys should have to wear ties. Why? They're both extremely uncomfortable. I know they make me work less efficiently, and I'm sure that's the same for other people.

Do ties look nice? Is that the reason why we're obligated to wear them? Well, fashion is subjective to everyone. Personally, I don't really tend to judge people for clothing unless it's incredibly different from the majority of the rest of people.

I think what needs to happen is a grass-roots shift away from that kind of attire. And I would say that this has already started; more and more companies are emphasizing comfort of employees over dress codes. I know when I own my own business, the dress code will be to wear whatever makes you most comfortable, providing you aren't representing the company directly to clients or customers.

[Gun Manufacturers]

What do you think of the convention of wearing suits and ties to work and to job interviews?

I think its absolutely silly and a huge inconvenience.

Western society prides itself for being a very pragmatic, scientific, and advanced society and yet the custom of the suit and tie does nothing but inconvenience the individual needlessly.

The tie especially serves no bloody purpose. NO BLOODY PURPOSE (I'm not exaggerating).

The only function of this whole suit and tie thing at job interviews and work is to try and screw over the people who are less dress-etiquette conscious. And WHY the hell does it have to be a WHITE shirt? A WHITE shirt is the easiest color for employers to notice stains and wrinkles and then judge you that's why! A WHITE shirt is the easiest color for interviewers to pass judgment on you that's why (increased probability they'll see an undershirt if you're not ''man enough'' to stand the cold in the interview room)!

See what I mean? This whole suit and tie routine is designed to root people out pointlessly. Does someone's ability to handle and wear his shirt the ''appropriate way'' have any bearings on his actual ability to connect with clients, analyze problems, or churn out productive papers? No. And once again... WHY does it have to be WHITE (Does that have anything to do with racism by any chance)?

While we're on that topic, I also want to bring a colonial angle to this. A lot of good and bad came from European global domination but this suit and tie custom thingy is decidedly on the bad side. I UNDERSTAND why countries like India, Madagascar, and the Middle East may WISH to pick up on the more productive, pragmatic, and useful aspects from their former colonial rulers. Picking up things like the common law system, the Western scientific method, and infrastructure technology/practices MAKES SENSE. They objectively improve things. What upsets me though, is that this bloody impractical and annoying suit and tie routine has spread worldwide.

WHY do we have to wear suits and ties? They are a pain to maintain, put on, and present. Why can't we wear something else? Why does ''formal'' have to mean annoying? This clearly isn't the only way to go. Look at the Lannisters in Game of Thrones, no one scoffs at them for not being ''formal.'' All Lord Tywin has to do is put on a simple leather top (its expensive leather I'm sure but it doesn't look like it needs to be pressed free of wrinkles every bloody day). Why can't we just pick up that tradition? Why are we stuck with the annoying suit and tie thing? Why can't we just follow the Tyrell-Lannister model of formal dress? There are some things medieval people do better I tell you.

Why's this suit and tie thing gone global? Its partly an unfortunate consequence of colonialism I tell you. Now I can't even escape this annoying thing by flying off to Egypt or some other non-Western country, or to China or Japan for example. They ALL BLOODY HAVE IT because they all want to be in good concert with the British and the Americans. Now if CHINA had been the world's most powerful country, I bet we wouldn't be stuck with this suit and tie routine. Maybe then we'd all get to wear really simple robes or just slap a jacket on.

We should change formal dress. There are three ways you could go instead.

1. The first is obviously to get rid of this concept of ''formal dress.'' Its inherently judgemental and promotes superficial appearance-based judging. Like I said, its ridiculous to dismiss people from interviews or judge them because they ''failed'' your little dressing test. Focus on the actual skills please.

2. The second approach is where you could change the formal dress requirements so they are a little less onerous. My suggestion about wearing the simple Lannister brown/black leather tops or the Tyrell colored top jackets (look at what Loras Tyrell was wearing in Season 4, it looks so beautiful and yet so SIMPLE to maintain and wear). PLEASE be pragmatic about this. Let's not all fuss about how to maintain white shirts and ties and work with these incredibly clunky requirements.

3. There's a third way. The law steps in. On ALL INTERVIEW days people are allowed to wear whatever the hell they want and if someone discriminates on that basis, the law can step in.

Personally, I like the second idea. We can still have formal dress, but it can be less cumbersome and annoying on everyone and less stressful (a Lannister-Tyrell style leather/silk top is harder to stain and you don't need to tie some ridiculous knot).

What do you think about the suit and tie tradition? What do you think accounts for their prevalence? Does it annoy you? What should be done about it?

Are you seriously suggesting that Congress legislate how companies are allowed to conduct hiring, based on what an interviewee is wearing?

That is literally the stupidest thing I've heard in a while. If an interviewee isn't going to put in a little effort to make themselves presentable when they show up for an interview, why should an interviewer think they'll put any effort into a job? I've seen some people show up for interviews looking like they just rolled out of bed (wearing pajamas, wrinkled clothes, etc), or looking like they were just attacked by a flock of moths (shirts and/or pants with holes in them), or looking like they just rolled around in a bag of garbage (stains everywhere).

[Ifreann]

What do you think of the convention of wearing suits and ties to work and to job interviews?

I think its absolutely silly and a huge inconvenience.

Western society prides itself for being a very pragmatic, scientific, and advanced society and yet the custom of the suit and tie does nothing but inconvenience the individual needlessly.

The tie especially serves no bloody purpose. NO BLOODY PURPOSE (I'm not exaggerating).

The only function of this whole suit and tie thing at job interviews and work is to try and screw over the people who are less dress-etiquette conscious. And WHY the hell does it have to be a WHITE shirt? A WHITE shirt is the easiest color for employers to notice stains and wrinkles and then judge you that's why! A WHITE shirt is the easiest color for interviewers to pass judgment on you that's why (increased probability they'll see an undershirt if you're not ''man enough'' to stand the cold in the interview room)!

See what I mean? This whole suit and tie routine is designed to root people out pointlessly. Does someone's ability to handle and wear his shirt the ''appropriate way'' have any bearings on his actual ability to connect with clients, analyze problems, or churn out productive papers? No. And once again... WHY does it have to be WHITE (Does that have anything to do with racism by any chance)?

While we're on that topic, I also want to bring a colonial angle to this. A lot of good and bad came from European global domination but this suit and tie custom thingy is decidedly on the bad side. I UNDERSTAND why countries like India, Madagascar, and the Middle East may WISH to pick up on the more productive, pragmatic, and useful aspects from their former colonial rulers. Picking up things like the common law system, the Western scientific method, and infrastructure technology/practices MAKES SENSE. They objectively improve things. What upsets me though, is that this bloody impractical and annoying suit and tie routine has spread worldwide.

WHY do we have to wear suits and ties? They are a pain to maintain, put on, and present. Why can't we wear something else? Why does ''formal'' have to mean annoying? This clearly isn't the only way to go. Look at the Lannisters in Game of Thrones, no one scoffs at them for not being ''formal.'' All Lord Tywin has to do is put on a simple leather top (its expensive leather I'm sure but it doesn't look like it needs to be pressed free of wrinkles every bloody day). Why can't we just pick up that tradition? Why are we stuck with the annoying suit and tie thing? Why can't we just follow the Tyrell-Lannister model of formal dress? There are some things medieval people do better I tell you.

Why's this suit and tie thing gone global? Its partly an unfortunate consequence of colonialism I tell you. Now I can't even escape this annoying thing by flying off to Egypt or some other non-Western country, or to China or Japan for example. They ALL BLOODY HAVE IT because they all want to be in good concert with the British and the Americans. Now if CHINA had been the world's most powerful country, I bet we wouldn't be stuck with this suit and tie routine. Maybe then we'd all get to wear really simple robes or just slap a jacket on.

We should change formal dress. There are three ways you could go instead.

1. The first is obviously to get rid of this concept of ''formal dress.'' Its inherently judgemental and promotes superficial appearance-based judging. Like I said, its ridiculous to dismiss people from interviews or judge them because they ''failed'' your little dressing test. Focus on the actual skills please.

2. The second approach is where you could change the formal dress requirements so they are a little less onerous. My suggestion about wearing the simple Lannister brown/black leather tops or the Tyrell colored top jackets (look at what Loras Tyrell was wearing in Season 4, it looks so beautiful and yet so SIMPLE to maintain and wear). PLEASE be pragmatic about this. Let's not all fuss about how to maintain white shirts and ties and work with these incredibly clunky requirements.

3. There's a third way. The law steps in. On ALL INTERVIEW days people are allowed to wear whatever the hell they want and if someone discriminates on that basis, the law can step in.

Personally, I like the second idea. We can still have formal dress, but it can be less cumbersome and annoying on everyone and less stressful (a Lannister-Tyrell style leather/silk top is harder to stain and you don't need to tie some ridiculous knot).

What do you think about the suit and tie tradition? What do you think accounts for their prevalence? Does it annoy you? What should be done about it?

Are you seriously suggesting that Congress legislate how companies are allowed to conduct hiring, based on what an interviewee is wearing?

That is literally the stupidest thing I've heard in a while.

This is the person who wants to eliminate dogs as a species because one chased him one time, to give you an idea of the scale of bad ideas we're dealing with here.

[Nazi Flower Power]

What do you think of the convention of wearing suits and ties to work and to job interviews?

I think its absolutely silly and a huge inconvenience.

Western society prides itself for being a very pragmatic, scientific, and advanced society and yet the custom of the suit and tie does nothing but inconvenience the individual needlessly.

The tie especially serves no bloody purpose. NO BLOODY PURPOSE (I'm not exaggerating).

The only function of this whole suit and tie thing at job interviews and work is to try and screw over the people who are less dress-etiquette conscious. And WHY the hell does it have to be a WHITE shirt? A WHITE shirt is the easiest color for employers to notice stains and wrinkles and then judge you that's why! A WHITE shirt is the easiest color for interviewers to pass judgment on you that's why (increased probability they'll see an undershirt if you're not ''man enough'' to stand the cold in the interview room)!

See what I mean? This whole suit and tie routine is designed to root people out pointlessly. Does someone's ability to handle and wear his shirt the ''appropriate way'' have any bearings on his actual ability to connect with clients, analyze problems, or churn out productive papers? No. And once again... WHY does it have to be WHITE (Does that have anything to do with racism by any chance)?

While we're on that topic, I also want to bring a colonial angle to this. A lot of good and bad came from European global domination but this suit and tie custom thingy is decidedly on the bad side. I UNDERSTAND why countries like India, Madagascar, and the Middle East may WISH to pick up on the more productive, pragmatic, and useful aspects from their former colonial rulers. Picking up things like the common law system, the Western scientific method, and infrastructure technology/practices MAKES SENSE. They objectively improve things. What upsets me though, is that this bloody impractical and annoying suit and tie routine has spread worldwide.

WHY do we have to wear suits and ties? They are a pain to maintain, put on, and present. Why can't we wear something else? Why does ''formal'' have to mean annoying? This clearly isn't the only way to go. Look at the Lannisters in Game of Thrones, no one scoffs at them for not being ''formal.'' All Lord Tywin has to do is put on a simple leather top (its expensive leather I'm sure but it doesn't look like it needs to be pressed free of wrinkles every bloody day). Why can't we just pick up that tradition? Why are we stuck with the annoying suit and tie thing? Why can't we just follow the Tyrell-Lannister model of formal dress? There are some things medieval people do better I tell you.

Why's this suit and tie thing gone global? Its partly an unfortunate consequence of colonialism I tell you. Now I can't even escape this annoying thing by flying off to Egypt or some other non-Western country, or to China or Japan for example. They ALL BLOODY HAVE IT because they all want to be in good concert with the British and the Americans. Now if CHINA had been the world's most powerful country, I bet we wouldn't be stuck with this suit and tie routine. Maybe then we'd all get to wear really simple robes or just slap a jacket on.

We should change formal dress. There are three ways you could go instead.

1. The first is obviously to get rid of this concept of ''formal dress.'' Its inherently judgemental and promotes superficial appearance-based judging. Like I said, its ridiculous to dismiss people from interviews or judge them because they ''failed'' your little dressing test. Focus on the actual skills please.

2. The second approach is where you could change the formal dress requirements so they are a little less onerous. My suggestion about wearing the simple Lannister brown/black leather tops or the Tyrell colored top jackets (look at what Loras Tyrell was wearing in Season 4, it looks so beautiful and yet so SIMPLE to maintain and wear). PLEASE be pragmatic about this. Let's not all fuss about how to maintain white shirts and ties and work with these incredibly clunky requirements.

3. There's a third way. The law steps in. On ALL INTERVIEW days people are allowed to wear whatever the hell they want and if someone discriminates on that basis, the law can step in.

Personally, I like the second idea. We can still have formal dress, but it can be less cumbersome and annoying on everyone and less stressful (a Lannister-Tyrell style leather/silk top is harder to stain and you don't need to tie some ridiculous knot).

What do you think about the suit and tie tradition? What do you think accounts for their prevalence? Does it annoy you? What should be done about it?

Are you seriously suggesting that Congress legislate how companies are allowed to conduct hiring, based on what an interviewee is wearing?

That is literally the stupidest thing I've heard in a while. If an interviewee isn't going to put in a little effort to make themselves presentable when they show up for an interview, why should an interviewer think they'll put any effort into a job? I've seen some people show up for interviews looking like they just rolled out of bed (wearing pajamas, wrinkled clothes, etc), or looking like they were just attacked by a flock of moths (shirts and/or pants with holes in them), or looking like they just rolled around in a bag of garbage (stains everywhere).

This is the same OP who suggested banning dogs. Does it really surprise you that he would suggest legislating company dress codes?

But I don't think you should punish people for being attacked by moths on their way to an interview. You can never predict when you're going to be attacked by moths.

[Cyrisnia]

This is the person who wants to eliminate dogs as a species because one chased him one time, to give you an idea of the scale of bad ideas we're dealing with here.

This is the same OP who suggested banning dogs. Does it really surprise you that he would suggest legislating company dress codes?

But I don't think you should punish people for being attacked by moths on their way to an interview. You can never predict when you're going to be attacked by moths.

the inner machinations of infected mushroom's mind are an enigma

[Dumb Ideologies]

Suits are cool and a piss-easy get-through for formal events. I miss suits.

[The Blaatschapen]

Suits are cool and a piss-easy get-through for formal events. I miss suits.

The birthday suit is the best for that, black tie is a close second.

[Cyrisnia]

Suits are cool and a piss-easy get-through for formal events. I miss suits.

The birthday suit is the best for that, black tie is a close second.

Job interviews must be great for you.

[The Blaatschapen]

The birthday suit is the best for that, black tie is a close second.

Job interviews must be great for you.

They're impressed by my resume.