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Postby Text People » Wed Oct 01, 2014 11:14 am

Conserative Morality wrote:I have enough experience with hallucinations to not believe in ghosts.

But, there is no such thing as a shared hallucination. Two or three, etc, people can't have the same exact hallucinatory episode.

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Postby Conserative Morality » Wed Oct 01, 2014 11:22 am

Text People wrote:
But, there is no such thing as a shared hallucination. Two or three, etc, people can't have the same exact hallucinatory episode.

No, but it only takes one person to convince ten others to see what they see. People are pattern seekers, and, for all that I believe in humanity, incredibly stupid at times when it comes to seeking patterns.
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Postby Sun Wukong » Wed Oct 01, 2014 11:29 am

Text People wrote:
Conserative Morality wrote:I have enough experience with hallucinations to not believe in ghosts.

But, there is no such thing as a shared hallucination. Two or three, etc, people can't have the same exact hallucinatory episode.

On a given day several different people see a strange formation of lights in the sky, and of those several walk away claiming to have seen an alien space craft. They say that since several people saw it, and independently verified it, it must be accurate; and point to this as proof of alien visitation.

But it isn't proof of alien visitation. All any of them really saw was a strange formation of lights in the sky.
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Postby Neutraligon » Wed Oct 01, 2014 10:06 pm

Sun Wukong wrote:
Text People wrote:But, there is no such thing as a shared hallucination. Two or three, etc, people can't have the same exact hallucinatory episode.

On a given day several different people see a strange formation of lights in the sky, and of those several walk away claiming to have seen an alien space craft. They say that since several people saw it, and independently verified it, it must be accurate; and point to this as proof of alien visitation.

But it isn't proof of alien visitation. All any of them really saw was a strange formation of lights in the sky.


There is also the fact that as time goes on and people talked to each other, the stories would begin to match.
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Postby The Republic of Merrimont » Wed Oct 01, 2014 10:18 pm

I don't believe in ghosts but I believe that some souls stay on earth.
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Postby Neutraligon » Wed Oct 01, 2014 10:19 pm

I see no reason to believe in ghosts or souls.
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Postby True American States » Wed Oct 01, 2014 10:21 pm

Waideland wrote:
True American States wrote:No such things has ghosts. Either they go to heaven or they go to hell.


Source?


The Bible.
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Postby Wanderjar » Wed Oct 01, 2014 10:22 pm

I lived in a haunted apartment complex in Glasgow. While my overall life in Glasgow was great as a student, I tended to avoid going home because it was truly hellish. I couldn't wait to get out of there and to this day even thinking about what happened in that place gives me the chills. So yes, ghosts are very, very real.
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Postby The Republic of Merrimont » Wed Oct 01, 2014 10:23 pm

True American States wrote:
Waideland wrote:
Source?


The Bible.

A book thats maybe not even true?
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Postby Jamjai » Wed Oct 01, 2014 10:24 pm

yea, I believe in ghosts

there are many ghost stories out there in this world that can't be explained

and many of them haven't been solved yet
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Postby Sun Wukong » Wed Oct 01, 2014 10:26 pm

Jamjai wrote:yea, I believe in ghosts

there are many ghost stories out there in this world that can't be explained

and many of them haven't been solved yet

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Postby Disgruntled Mathematicians » Wed Oct 01, 2014 10:28 pm

The only possible forms of existence after death or permanent existence are:

1. Immortality from biological/transhumanist augmentation.

2. Many-worlds interpretation quantum immortality.

3. Conservation of information yields immortality of the "soul." Humans have a "soul," but it's not made of matter, energy, or "spirit stuff." It's made of information. Information is conserved in all physical processes (unitarity). Ergo, the "soul" is conserved by physics.

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Ghosts are an inferior race that must be exterminated to make way for the Aryan Master Race and our Lebensraum. This is why Nazis are so into the occult. Gotta find a way to exterminate things that are already dead... :meh:
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Postby Fortitudinem » Thu Oct 02, 2014 5:11 am

Text People wrote:
Conserative Morality wrote:I have enough experience with hallucinations to not believe in ghosts.

But, there is no such thing as a shared hallucination. Two or three, etc, people can't have the same exact hallucinatory episode.


Yes, yes they can. I should know. I'm taking Psychology, and the science of hallucinations fascinates me.
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Postby Risottia » Thu Oct 02, 2014 5:15 am

Text People wrote:
Conserative Morality wrote:I have enough experience with hallucinations to not believe in ghosts.

But, there is no such thing as a shared hallucination.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_hysteria

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pareidolia

Not "shared hallucinations", but the effect is the same.

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Waideland wrote:
Source?


The Bible.


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Is there any reason for them to dwell here as ghosts? :p


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May I suggest an army of undead Daleks?
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Postby Farnhamia » Thu Oct 02, 2014 5:21 am

Fortitudinem wrote:
Text People wrote:But, there is no such thing as a shared hallucination. Two or three, etc, people can't have the same exact hallucinatory episode.


Yes, yes they can. I should know. I'm taking Psychology, and the science of hallucinations fascinates me.

Care to explain how?
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Postby Ashmoria » Thu Oct 02, 2014 5:31 am

Nazi Flower Power wrote:Ghosts are an inferior race that must be exterminated to make way for the Aryan Master Race and our Lebensraum. This is why Nazis are so into the occult. Gotta find a way to exterminate things that are already dead... :meh:

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Postby Ashmoria » Thu Oct 02, 2014 5:32 am

The Republic of Merrimont wrote:I don't believe in ghosts but I believe that some souls stay on earth.


whats the difference between a ghost and a soul that stays on earth?
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Postby Fanosolia » Thu Oct 02, 2014 5:37 am

Ashmoria wrote:
The Republic of Merrimont wrote:I don't believe in ghosts but I believe that some souls stay on earth.


whats the difference between a ghost and a soul that stays on earth?


Dream/spirit world that lives in parallel with material plane is my best guess
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Postby Big Brain City » Thu Oct 02, 2014 5:39 am

It is my opinion that ghosts are bullshit.
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Postby Ifreann » Thu Oct 02, 2014 5:40 am

Wanderjar wrote:I lived in a haunted apartment complex in Glasgow. While my overall life in Glasgow was great as a student, I tended to avoid going home because it was truly hellish. I couldn't wait to get out of there and to this day even thinking about what happened in that place gives me the chills. So yes, ghosts are very, very real.

Are you sure those weren't heroin addicts, not ghosts?
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Postby Republika Srpska Party » Thu Oct 02, 2014 5:44 am

I don't really believe in Ghosts, one thing can make you think that Ghosts are following you and making noises, it's call'd that your brain is tricking you.

I actually believe in Mutants, since they're real.
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Republika Srpska Party wrote:I don't really believe in Ghosts, one thing can make you think that Ghosts are following you and making noises, it's call'd that your brain is tricking you.

I actually believe in Mutants, since they're real.

In a sense.
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Postby Republika Srpska Party » Thu Oct 02, 2014 5:51 am

Ifreann wrote:
Republika Srpska Party wrote:I don't really believe in Ghosts, one thing can make you think that Ghosts are following you and making noises, it's call'd that your brain is tricking you.

I actually believe in Mutants, since they're real.

In a sense.

Anyway, who the hell would believe in Ghosts? I believe in the Holy Spirit, but Ghosts and that sh*t? No. There is no proof that ghosts exist, people also make up false photos of them just to get some "fame".
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