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Postby Dumb Ideologies » Wed Oct 01, 2014 6:09 am

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Or Churchill.


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Postby Waideland » Wed Oct 01, 2014 6:13 am

True American States wrote:No such things has ghosts. Either they go to heaven or they go to hell.


Source?

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Postby Jute » Wed Oct 01, 2014 6:14 am

Sollis wrote:
Jute wrote:That's an interesting claim and thanks for the recipe, but it should be easy to debunk. Unless you assume aubergines can somehow have both consciousness and the ability to use a computer, while being ignorant of their surroundings, I don't see how this is the same as asking whether or not ghosts are real.

Perhaps we're all ghosts... :unsure:

That's an interesting philosophical question, akin to the question whether or not we live in a matrix or a simulation, where only our consciousness exists and all physical matter is only an illusion.
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Postby Risottia » Wed Oct 01, 2014 6:20 am

Jute wrote:
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You can't debunk not being a typing aubergine. You're now stuck in my parmigiana. Yum.

That's an interesting claim and thanks for the recipe, but it should be easy to debunk. Unless you assume aubergines can somehow have both consciousness and the ability to use a computer,

That's why I specified "typing".


while being ignorant of their surroundings, I don't see how this is the same as asking whether or not ghosts are real.

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Postby Benuty » Wed Oct 01, 2014 7:04 am

What does temporal lobe epilepsy have to do with anything?
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Postby Ashmoria » Wed Oct 01, 2014 7:07 am

Jute wrote:
Ashmoria wrote:yeah but I wonder what they think ghosts are.

i suppose not believing in god(s) is not believing in god(s) and doesn't have to mean that you don't believe in the supernatural at all but....

It seems strange to believe in one but reject the other?

yeah

I suppose it does depend on how you come to atheism but what are ghosts supposed to be?
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Postby Benuty » Wed Oct 01, 2014 7:08 am

Ashmoria wrote:
Jute wrote:It seems strange to believe in one but reject the other?

yeah

I suppose it does depend on how you come to atheism but what are ghosts supposed to be?

Freud if his opinion was important anymore would claim its something to do with memory repression or as we know sex.
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Postby Solaray » Wed Oct 01, 2014 7:08 am

I've never seen a ghost, but I know people who claim to have seen them. So I dunno, I guess it's possible they exist but I don't really think much of it.
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Postby Ashmoria » Wed Oct 01, 2014 7:11 am

Benuty wrote:
Ashmoria wrote:yeah

I suppose it does depend on how you come to atheism but what are ghosts supposed to be?

Freud if his opinion was important anymore would claim its something to do with memory repression or as we know sex.

well its obvious that our minds play tricks on us. very sophisticated tricks.

and sex can be kinda tricky
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Postby Ifreann » Wed Oct 01, 2014 7:12 am

Ashmoria wrote:
Benuty wrote:Freud if his opinion was important anymore would claim its something to do with memory repression or as we know sex.

well its obvious that our minds play tricks on us. very sophisticated tricks.

and sex can be kinda tricky

And sometimes very sophisticated.
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Postby Ashmoria » Wed Oct 01, 2014 7:14 am

Ifreann wrote:
Ashmoria wrote:well its obvious that our minds play tricks on us. very sophisticated tricks.

and sex can be kinda tricky

And sometimes very sophisticated.

so freud was right!
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Postby Greater-London » Wed Oct 01, 2014 7:19 am

I find the whole notion of Ghosts a bit silly, especially as there's no consistent logic to them.

1. Apparently some people can become ghosts and some people can't (for some reason)

2. Some can interact with people some can't (for some reason)

3.They only seem to have kicked in relatively recently (there are no cave man ghosts, for some reason)

Also even if you accept that only some people can become ghosts, and ghosts have only existed in "recent" human history (for no reason) there would still be PLENTY of them wandering about.

Saying all this, I have been to places that I feel are "haunted"; are the spirts of the dead there? no I don't think so but I certainly felt "weird" for no explinable reason.
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Postby Benuty » Wed Oct 01, 2014 7:19 am

Ashmoria wrote:
Ifreann wrote:And sometimes very sophisticated.

so freud was right!

Once you get past much of his stuff which is nonsensical quackery :P.
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Postby Ashmoria » Wed Oct 01, 2014 7:35 am

Benuty wrote:
Ashmoria wrote:so freud was right!

Once you get past much of his stuff which is nonsensical quackery :P.

that goes without saying.
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Postby Czechanada » Wed Oct 01, 2014 7:56 am

Greater-London wrote:I find the whole notion of Ghosts a bit silly, especially as there's no consistent logic to them.

1. Apparently some people can become ghosts and some people can't (for some reason)

2. Some can interact with people some can't (for some reason)

3.They only seem to have kicked in relatively recently (there are no cave man ghosts, for some reason)

Also even if you accept that only some people can become ghosts, and ghosts have only existed in "recent" human history (for no reason) there would still be PLENTY of them wandering about.

Saying all this, I have been to places that I feel are "haunted"; are the spirts of the dead there? no I don't think so but I certainly felt "weird" for no explinable reason.


There are scientific explanations for certain phenomena. If a sound is made at a certain low frequency, it can induce the feeling of dread in people. Thinks like unstable ground that can collapse produce this sound.
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Postby Neragua » Wed Oct 01, 2014 7:59 am

I'm not sure I believe in them. Well, not anymore anyway. I have seen things I can't explain. However, just because I can't explain it, doesn't mean it is beyond explanation.

The world would certainly be more interesting if there were ghosts. Alas, we can but dream.
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Postby Sudenlands » Wed Oct 01, 2014 8:00 am

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Postby Ashmoria » Wed Oct 01, 2014 8:00 am

Neragua wrote:I'm not sure I believe in them. Well, not anymore anyway. I have seen things I can't explain. However, just because I can't explain it, doesn't mean it is beyond explanation.

The world would certainly be more interesting if there were ghosts. Alas, we can but dream.


would it be more interesting? I think it would be annoying that dead people were messing with stuff that is no longer any of their business.
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Postby Royal Witch Realm » Wed Oct 01, 2014 8:01 am

I believe in ghosts.

(Do ya'll think that Ghost Hunters, the T.V serious is real? I think so, I still get chills thinking about how realistic it is.)
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Postby Ashmoria » Wed Oct 01, 2014 8:02 am

Royal Witch Realm wrote:I believe in ghosts.

(Do ya'll think that Ghost Chasers, the T.V serious are real? I think so, I still get chills thinking about how realistic it is.)


you are convinced by a tv show?
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Postby Por » Wed Oct 01, 2014 8:04 am

1) If I hadn't seen them before this summer
2) If I hadn't interned at the Parkway Playhouse this past summer

I probably wouldn't believe in Ghosts. Over my childhood I had three different experiences (two at my house), fairly spread out. During my internship, I had two very distinct experiences, relatively close together (during the same run of a show, and runs are only three weekends). I believe in ghosts. I don't know what they are, I don't care. If they don't bother me, I won't bother them, although they can be creepy as heck.

Either way being a ghost could be fun, especially in a theater.
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Postby Royal Witch Realm » Wed Oct 01, 2014 8:05 am

Por wrote:1) If I hadn't seen them before this summer
2) If I hadn't interned at the Parkway Playhouse this past summer

I probably wouldn't believe in Ghosts. Over my childhood I had three different experiences (two at my house), fairly spread out. During my internship, I had two very distinct experiences, relatively close together (during the same run of a show, and runs are only three weekends). I believe in ghosts. I don't know what they are, I don't care. If they don't bother me, I won't bother them, although they can be creepy as heck.


Whoa, I had some, but wish to not speak of it, so as to not disturb the "spirits" until further understanding is attain by me.
Wow.

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Postby Text People » Wed Oct 01, 2014 8:10 am

I heard and felt some strange things in a family member's house when I was a child. There were people who said that the phenomena could've been caused by myself as a child. Children are often blamed, or credited, with being the source of poltergeist like occurrences.

I don't think I believe that.

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Postby Royal Witch Realm » Wed Oct 01, 2014 8:12 am

Jute wrote:Since it seems like some had an interest in discussing ghosts in the "Does God exist?" thread, I thought I might create one so that that debate has a place, too.

Personally, I'm somewhat agnostic about ghosts. I believe that most experiences with ghosts can be explained by natural phenomena. I remember hearing that infrasound can cause humans to have hallucinations about ghosts, with other properties of the environment being able to have the same effect. But I'm not fully opposed to the idea that there might be some real ghosts in the world after all, maybe some that can't be detected with scientific measurements. I think there were some unexplained phenomena in the world left that were attributed to ghosts, too, weren't there?

Have you ever been to George's Island in Boston, Massachusettes? It is told with the tour, that the ghost of the lady in black haunts the island. She was helping civil war prisoners escape or something, then the soldiers caught her and they hung and shot her, and such. I was creeped and still get goose bumps everytime I speak of it. even typing this. I swear man I saw her apparatus in the dark tunnels they took us to tour man. holy holy holy man, I poop you not man. Check it out on the net if you want. It's been since child hood since I've been there, so I could be somwhat off with the info, but is Georges Island at boston harbor.

Oh, and the island was use to house prisoners and such. WARNING, IT IS AN EXTREMELY CREEPY ISLAND. AND A REAL TOUR.
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