Existence of Ghosts

[Jute]

Interestingly enough, I know of atheists who believe in ghosts.

yeah but I wonder what they think ghosts are.

i suppose not believing in god(s) is not believing in god(s) and doesn't have to mean that you don't believe in the supernatural at all but....

It seems strange to believe in one but reject the other?

[-The Trade Federation-]

I believe in them.

However, there aren't enough scientific proofs to officially prove them (Well, apart from like a million pictures, videos, eyewitnesses, etc...)

HOWEVER, science also can't debunk ghosts.

So both sides are stuck !

[Czechanada]

A person's consciousness is their brain. If the brain is damaged or altered, then one's personality may change as a result.

How can a ghost feel sadness or wrath if it does not have the hormone imbalances to do so?

Subsequently, ghosts are superstitious nonsense that anyone with a basic grasp of psychology should disbelieve.

There's the hypothesis floating around that ghosts were simply an explanation for parents having sex, i.e moaning, ectoplasm, and things shaking.

[Waideland]

This debate has the same problems with ghosts that the debates on God usually have. Can any of you even define what a ghost is? How can you argue about the existence of something you can't even define?

If you use the typical atheist logic that they use regarding God, which is to just debunk the existence of the most popular and available example in their own culture, i.e. the God of Abraham in our case, then all you have to do to explain the completely vague term "ghost" away, is say that the translucent floaty souls of dead people going "oOooOOOoOoooo" don't exist. Thank you atheists. Captain Obvious and friends to the rescue.

In reality, many people experience strange things that can't be explained by common sense. Since those people are often idiots, they tell everyone they can find that they saw God, or ghosts. Simply pointing and laughing at the idiots that think they saw the spirits of dead people floating in the air, turns what could be serious research and an interesting debate over what they saw, into a pointless debate over the existence of translucent moaning dead people.

[Immoren]

Interestingly enough, I know of atheists who believe in ghosts.

yeah but I wonder what they think ghosts are.

i suppose not believing in god(s) is not believing in god(s) and doesn't have to mean that you don't believe in the supernatural at all but....

Well. Unless you count ancestor/ancestral deities/gods, ghosts don't quite fall under "theos". So...

How can a ghost feel sadness or wrath if it does not have the hormone imbalances to do so?

It doesn't because it lacks glands. *nods*

[Jute]

A person's consciousness is their brain. If the brain is damaged or altered, then one's personality may change as a result.

How can a ghost feel sadness or wrath if it does not have the hormone imbalances to do so?

Subsequently, ghosts are superstitious nonsense that anyone with a basic grasp of psychology should disbelieve.

There's the hypothesis floating around that ghosts were simply an explanation for parents having sex, i.e moaning, ectoplasm, and things shaking.

Well, that hypothesis doesn't really make sense to me - would that mean haunted houses are places where adults go to sleep with each other?
And besides, that part about the consciousness being synonymous with the brain has not been proven yet. It is believed by some, mostly materialists, but not by every scientist.

[Ifreann]

Interestingly enough, I know of atheists who believe in ghosts.

yeah but I wonder what they think ghosts are.

i suppose not believing in god(s) is not believing in god(s) and doesn't have to mean that you don't believe in the supernatural at all but....

Some hand-wavy shit about energy, probably.

[Czechanada]

A person's consciousness is their brain. If the brain is damaged or altered, then one's personality may change as a result.

How can a ghost feel sadness or wrath if it does not have the hormone imbalances to do so?

Subsequently, ghosts are superstitious nonsense that anyone with a basic grasp of psychology should disbelieve.

There's the hypothesis floating around that ghosts were simply an explanation for parents having sex, i.e moaning, ectoplasm, and things shaking.

Well, that hypothesis doesn't really make sense to me - would that mean haunted houses are places where adults go to sleep with each other?
And besides, that part about the consciousness being synonymous with the brain has not been proven yet. It is believed by some, mostly materialists, but not by every scientist.

Every scientist has to believe something in order for it to be true? That's not how science works.

The removal of the amygdala from the brain results in the patient losing the ability to feel fear. How does that not prove a link between consciousness and the brain?

[Jute]

Well, that hypothesis doesn't really make sense to me - would that mean haunted houses are places where adults go to sleep with each other?
And besides, that part about the consciousness being synonymous with the brain has not been proven yet. It is believed by some, mostly materialists, but not by every scientist.

Every scientist has to believe something in order for it to be true? That's not how science works.

The removal of the amygdala from the brain results in the patient losing the ability to feel fear. How does that not prove a link between consciousness and the brain?

That's not what I meant. I meant that scientist disagree on what exactly constitutes and creates consciousness. And I didn't deny a link, but the claim that the brain and the consciousness are one and the same.

[Flyover]

I believe in them.

However, there aren't enough scientific proofs to officially prove them (Well, apart from like a million pictures, videos, eyewitnesses, etc...)

HOWEVER, science also can't debunk ghosts.

So both sides are stuck !

Except the photos and videos are either so low quality to be unusable, edited, or better explained by mundane means. And eye witness accounts don't mean anything in this case.

But the science part is all true.

[The Huskar Social Union]

I only ever believed in them as a child, like really young. As i got older i just dismissed it as nonsense as there is no evidence for them to exist.

But eh if people do believe them thats fine by me. Your choice. As long as you dont try and force said belief down my throat or make a stupid "reality" show where you walk around an old house having walls knocked on by people off camera and doors swung open going "Ooohh! Spooky Ghost!"

[CTALNH]

No I do not believe in ghosts,deities,demons or anything of the supernatural sort.

[Risottia]

However, there aren't enough scientific proofs to officially prove them (Well, apart from like a million pictures, videos, eyewitnesses, etc...)

The Doctor is real. There's FIFTY YEARS of footage about him!

HOWEVER, science also can't debunk ghosts. So both sides are stuck !

You can't debunk not being a typing aubergine. You're now stuck in my parmigiana. Yum.

[Dumb Ideologies]

Nah. I don't believe in all this silly spooky bollocks.

[Risottia]

Nah. I don't believe in all this silly spooky bollocks.

Ain't afraid of no ghost.

[Dumb Ideologies]

Nah. I don't believe in all this silly spooky bollocks.

Ain't afraid of no ghost.

Whoooo~
Whooooooooo~
Whooooooooooooooo~

Sorry, left the hoover on.

[Sollis]

I've seen ghosts before.

Granted, I was also overdosing on an assortment of illicit drugs, but I've seen them!

[Ifreann]

Nah. I don't believe in all this silly spooky bollocks.

Spooky would be a great name for a dog.

[Dumb Ideologies]

Nah. I don't believe in all this silly spooky bollocks.

Spooky would be a great name for a dog.

It's alright, but it's no Woofles or Barksalot, is it?

[Jute]

HOWEVER, science also can't debunk ghosts. So both sides are stuck !

You can't debunk not being a typing aubergine. You're now stuck in my parmigiana. Yum.

That's an interesting claim and thanks for the recipe, but it should be easy to debunk. Unless you assume aubergines can somehow have both consciousness and the ability to use a computer, while being ignorant of their surroundings, I don't see how this is the same as asking whether or not ghosts are real.

[Fireye]

Spooky would be a great name for a dog.

It's alright, but it's no Woofles or Barksalot, is it?

Spooky Woofles McBarksalot, III.

[True American States]

No such things has ghosts. Either they go to heaven or they go to hell.

[Dumb Ideologies]

It's alright, but it's no Woofles or Barksalot, is it?

Spooky Woofles McBarksalot, III.

I like the way you think.

[Sollis]

You can't debunk not being a typing aubergine. You're now stuck in my parmigiana. Yum.

That's an interesting claim and thanks for the recipe, but it should be easy to debunk. Unless you assume aubergines can somehow have both consciousness and the ability to use a computer, while being ignorant of their surroundings, I don't see how this is the same as asking whether or not ghosts are real.

Perhaps we're all ghosts...

[Ifreann]

Spooky would be a great name for a dog.

It's alright, but it's no Woofles or Barksalot, is it?

Or Churchill.