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Postby Wisconsin9 » Tue Sep 30, 2014 7:31 pm

Torisakia wrote:
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Some succeeded...

WHEN THEY WERE ADULTS !

But there's a huge difference between teens and adults.

I've actually been mistaken for an adult a number of times.
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Postby -The Trade Federation- » Tue Sep 30, 2014 7:31 pm

Torisakia wrote:
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Some succeeded...

WHEN THEY WERE ADULTS !

But there's a huge difference between teens and adults.


What you said is partly flawed, actually...

Many people usually anchor onto an ideology during late teenagehood or early adulthood.

That's just my two cents, though.
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Postby Havenic Israel » Tue Sep 30, 2014 7:38 pm

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Ikania wrote:Remember the last time America tried to annex a country? Look up the 'War of 1812'.

Not the last time. remember the Mexican-American War? Where we annexed the Republic of Texas, and Mexico's remaining northern territories. oh, or the Spanish American War? loved that. learned in school that we annexed PR and the Philippines, and tried to control Cuba in a way similar to how the soviets controlled their satellite states around them.


A few problems:

1) Texas chose to annex itself to the US because of its unsustainable debt. That wasn't a conquest, it was an agreement which in the short run actually was significantly damaging to the United States economically, though in the long run has turned out to be a good thing.

2) Puerto Rico is far better off as a part of the US than independent. The majority of the population is quite happy as an American territory, and they benefit from it enormously. If anything, the US would do well to rid itself of PR, since they're a significant economic drain.

3) The annexation of the Philippines wasn't as cut and dry as you may be led to believe by your socialist teachers. We didn't want to annex the Philippines, in fact the only reason it was taken at all was because Theodore Roosevelt had fantasies of an American Empire and using the area as a coaling station and hub for trade in East Asia. We essentially took the Philippines because we gained them in a war which happened by accident (Attacking the Philippines was under Roosevelt's orders which he was technically not legally allowed to give, but it couldn't be undone after initiated), then didn't quite know what to do with them when we got them. It seems we were bogged down by the Aguinaldo insurgency because the McKinley administration wasn't quite sure how to handle it, since there was no concept of giving them independence, but we never really wanted them either. We eventually held on to them as a bulwark against the increasingly aggressive and expansionist Japanese.
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Postby The Stalker » Tue Sep 30, 2014 7:38 pm

I fully support this, colonialism always works and the west always knows what's best.

In fact they're are many places just as troubled as Liberia, I say we annex them too! All shall be free under the might of Uncle Sam, for he is lord and knows what's best. One day the United States of America will be the United States of Earth!! America knows what's best, the rest of the world needs us to show them how it's done. Just look at how awesome the US is, the world would be a better place if it was just like us.
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Postby Uelvan » Tue Sep 30, 2014 7:40 pm

If America is going to rev up the colonization machine, let's start somewhere more useful first. Like Europe.

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Postby Digital Planets » Tue Sep 30, 2014 7:40 pm

Uelvan wrote:If America is going to rev up the colonization machine, let's start somewhere more useful first. Like Europe.


I call dibs on the UK.
So you decide to open it anyway? What the heck, man?

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Postby Furry Alairia and Algeria » Tue Sep 30, 2014 7:42 pm

Uelvan wrote:If America is going to rev up the colonization machine, let's start somewhere more useful first. Like Europe.
No no no.
First America has to become America. Spanish, French, Portuguese, and English terms can all ally when the USA become the American Empire.
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Postby Senkaku » Tue Sep 30, 2014 7:43 pm

Aw hell naw.


Edit: and even if you somehow got this, not sure what you hope to accomplish with only a billion dollars.
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Postby ImperialistSalvia » Tue Sep 30, 2014 7:43 pm

The Stalker wrote:I fully support this, colonialism always works and the west always knows what's best.

In fact they're are many places just as troubled as Liberia, I say we annex them too! All shall be free under the might of Uncle Sam, for he is lord and knows what's best. One day the United States of America will be the United States of Earth!! America knows what's best, the rest of the world needs us to show them how it's done. Just look at how awesome the US is, the world would be a better place if it was just like us.

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Postby Pan-America under the United States » Tue Sep 30, 2014 7:45 pm

Yeah, no. Listen, one billion dollars? Don't you think we could use that here? Liberia? Really? I'm pretty sure the annexation part wouldn't justify one billion dollars.
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Postby Northdeigo » Tue Sep 30, 2014 7:47 pm

Port of Columbia wrote:
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Im 14 years old bro. You can say I am hardcore on Pan-Africanism because I my grandfather was wrongly jailed because of his color and because my other grandfather fought for independence for Africa.

Well, I'm sorry that your ancestors had to go through that.

I don't think "annex" is the right word. I'm thinking of something that would be more like a crutch, helping hold up Liberia.



Dude, shut up. You're going in way too deep. Yes the world knows what's going on in West Africa and are trying to help, but I understand, Russia and ISIS's are taking up most of our resources and time. ISIS is #1 and Ebola is #2. So, we get it, you have made your point, now please do us a favor and shut up.
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Postby United States Kingdom » Tue Sep 30, 2014 7:50 pm

Northdeigo wrote:
Port of Columbia wrote:Well, I'm sorry that your ancestors had to go through that.

I don't think "annex" is the right word. I'm thinking of something that would be more like a crutch, helping hold up Liberia.



Dude, shut up. You're going in way too deep. Yes the world knows what's going on in West Africa and are trying to help, but I understand, Russia and ISIS's are taking up most of our resources and time. ISIS is #1 and Ebola is #2. So, we get it, you have made your point, now please do us a favor and shut up.

If you have a problem with either of us making statements then move on to another thread.

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Postby United States of Natan » Tue Sep 30, 2014 7:51 pm

Havenic Israel wrote:
United States of Natan wrote:Not the last time. remember the Mexican-American War? Where we annexed the Republic of Texas, and Mexico's remaining northern territories. oh, or the Spanish American War? loved that. learned in school that we annexed PR and the Philippines, and tried to control Cuba in a way similar to how the soviets controlled their satellite states around them.


A few problems:

1) Texas chose to annex itself to the US because of its unsustainable debt. That wasn't a conquest, it was an agreement which in the short run actually was significantly damaging to the United States economically, though in the long run has turned out to be a good thing.

2) Puerto Rico is far better off as a part of the US than independent. The majority of the population is quite happy as an American territory, and they benefit from it enormously. If anything, the US would do well to rid itself of PR, since they're a significant economic drain.

3) The annexation of the Philippines wasn't as cut and dry as you may be led to believe by your socialist teachers. We didn't want to annex the Philippines, in fact the only reason it was taken at all was because Theodore Roosevelt had fantasies of an American Empire and using the area as a coaling station and hub for trade in East Asia. We essentially took the Philippines because we gained them in a war which happened by accident (Attacking the Philippines was under Roosevelt's orders which he was technically not legally allowed to give, but it couldn't be undone after initiated), then didn't quite know what to do with them when we got them. It seems we were bogged down by the Aguinaldo insurgency because the McKinley administration wasn't quite sure how to handle it, since there was no concept of giving them independence, but we never really wanted them either. We eventually held on to them as a bulwark against the increasingly aggressive and expansionist Japanese.

1. Did I say it was a bad thing?
2. Did I say it was a bad thing?
3. I was ultimately replying to the comment that the "last time" we annexed anyone was the war of 1812, and trying to make my point that such a statement was false, as we had annexed plenty after that.
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Postby United States Kingdom » Tue Sep 30, 2014 7:52 pm

The Stalker wrote:I fully support this, colonialism always works and the west always knows what's best.

In fact they're are many places just as troubled as Liberia, I say we annex them too! All shall be free under the might of Uncle Sam, for he is lord and knows what's best. One day the United States of America will be the United States of Earth!! America knows what's best, the rest of the world needs us to show them how it's done. Just look at how awesome the US is, the world would be a better place if it was just like us.


:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Nice sarcasm

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Postby Reddogkeno101 » Tue Sep 30, 2014 7:57 pm

United States Kingdom wrote:
The Stalker wrote:I fully support this, colonialism always works and the west always knows what's best.

In fact they're are many places just as troubled as Liberia, I say we annex them too! All shall be free under the might of Uncle Sam, for he is lord and knows what's best. One day the United States of America will be the United States of Earth!! America knows what's best, the rest of the world needs us to show them how it's done. Just look at how awesome the US is, the world would be a better place if it was just like us.


:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

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Postby Cyrisnia » Tue Sep 30, 2014 7:59 pm

United States Kingdom wrote:
The Stalker wrote:I fully support this, colonialism always works and the west always knows what's best.

In fact they're are many places just as troubled as Liberia, I say we annex them too! All shall be free under the might of Uncle Sam, for he is lord and knows what's best. One day the United States of America will be the United States of Earth!! America knows what's best, the rest of the world needs us to show them how it's done. Just look at how awesome the US is, the world would be a better place if it was just like us.


:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Nice sarcasm

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Postby Greater Istanistan » Tue Sep 30, 2014 8:00 pm

Uelvan wrote:If America is going to rev up the colonization machine, let's start somewhere more useful first. Like Europe.


Well hi.

I personally think that Canada should fund North-Eastern separatists in the US, annex them, kick Alberta out of Confederation, and from there invade Utah and announce Imperial Canada.
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Postby United States Kingdom » Tue Sep 30, 2014 8:01 pm

Cyrisnia wrote:
United States Kingdom wrote:
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Nice sarcasm

You detect his but not mine.
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I'm hurt.


I don't even know what the post is.

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Postby Othelos » Tue Sep 30, 2014 8:08 pm

Port of Columbia wrote:So, NS, what do you think? Is this letter good enough? Are my ideas even realistic enough to ask for?

Obviously the US government isn't going to annex Liberia.

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Postby Lakimina » Tue Sep 30, 2014 8:19 pm

Othelos wrote:
Port of Columbia wrote:So, NS, what do you think? Is this letter good enough? Are my ideas even realistic enough to ask for?

Obviously the US government isn't going to annex Liberia.
No government would be willing enough to annex Liberia.

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Postby Luziyca » Tue Sep 30, 2014 8:27 pm

I honestly thought it was a news story about how a teenager was trying to change the world for the better by say, negotiating a peace deal between Assad, the Free Syrian Army, and ISIS. But no, apparently, it is some teen who thinks that he is all strong and powerful when in reality, he has no solid ground. NSG ain't a place where you are likely to change the world: you are more likely to alienate most of us with neocolonialism than persuade us to accept neocolonialism because you believe Liberians can't run themselves.

So as a fellow teen (17 at that), let me say, you are very idealistic. Heck, I am a bit idealistic sometimes, but unlike you, I am not that idealistic. The only territorial changes I want to see is the possible annexation of St. Pierre and Miquelon, Alaska, and maybe Greenland into the Dominion of Canada, and I support those that involve referenda (i.e. I recognize the results of the Crimean and Scottish referenda). The people of both sides need to make the decision, not one person.
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Postby Othelos » Tue Sep 30, 2014 8:30 pm

Luziyca wrote:I honestly thought it was a news story about how a teenager was trying to change the world for the better by say, negotiating a peace deal between Assad, the Free Syrian Army, and ISIS. But no, apparently, it is some teen who thinks that he is all strong and powerful when in reality, he has no solid ground. NSG ain't a place where you are likely to change the world: you are more likely to alienate most of us with neocolonialism than persuade us to accept neocolonialism because you believe Liberians can't run themselves.

So as a fellow teen (17 at that), let me say, you are very idealistic. Heck, I am a bit idealistic sometimes, but unlike you, I am not that idealistic. The only territorial changes I want to see is the possible annexation of St. Pierre and Miquelon, Alaska, and maybe Greenland into the Dominion of Canada, and I support those that involve referenda (i.e. I recognize the results of the Crimean and Scottish referenda). The people of both sides need to make the decision, not one person.

the letter would probably be read by some aide and immediately thrown in the trash, so it's no big deal.

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Postby Threlizdun » Tue Sep 30, 2014 8:30 pm

Don't waste your time or their time sending that crap. I'm sure you have good intentions, but this is idiotic. If you really want to help, go there, learn from the people about what their problems are and what they want, and help them to ensure they can acquire and maintain what they desire independently rather than being lorded over by some "civilized man" operating on the white man's burden.
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Postby Keyboard Warriors » Tue Sep 30, 2014 8:33 pm

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Postby Luziyca » Tue Sep 30, 2014 8:37 pm

Othelos wrote:
Luziyca wrote:I honestly thought it was a news story about how a teenager was trying to change the world for the better by say, negotiating a peace deal between Assad, the Free Syrian Army, and ISIS. But no, apparently, it is some teen who thinks that he is all strong and powerful when in reality, he has no solid ground. NSG ain't a place where you are likely to change the world: you are more likely to alienate most of us with neocolonialism than persuade us to accept neocolonialism because you believe Liberians can't run themselves.

So as a fellow teen (17 at that), let me say, you are very idealistic. Heck, I am a bit idealistic sometimes, but unlike you, I am not that idealistic. The only territorial changes I want to see is the possible annexation of St. Pierre and Miquelon, Alaska, and maybe Greenland into the Dominion of Canada, and I support those that involve referenda (i.e. I recognize the results of the Crimean and Scottish referenda). The people of both sides need to make the decision, not one person.

the letter would probably be read by some aide and immediately thrown in the trash, so it's no big deal.

Yeah. Plus, this would be one of the few proposals made in Congress where everyone will mock for good.
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