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The Union of Tentacles and Grapes
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Postby The Union of Tentacles and Grapes » Fri Oct 24, 2014 4:29 pm

Paintal wrote:
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Well, it somewhat does. The universe after all does not seem very loving and welcoming. Nor does nature when you really take a good look at it. It definately does not seem designed for us.
Certain images of God are somewhat incompatible with that reality.


Just because it doesn't seem designed for us, doesn't mean that there isn't some sort of a deity. Sure certain ideas about such a deity may be wrong, but that doesn't mean that it doesn't exist.

But it does mean that belief in one is irrational at this moment.

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Postby Paintal » Fri Oct 24, 2014 8:00 pm

The Union of Tentacles and Grapes wrote:
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Just because it doesn't seem designed for us, doesn't mean that there isn't some sort of a deity. Sure certain ideas about such a deity may be wrong, but that doesn't mean that it doesn't exist.

But it does mean that belief in one is irrational at this moment.

No it doesn't. Yes, I do believe that such a belief in a deity is irrational, but not simply because bad things happen in this world. That doesn't make any sense. Why does a supreme creator have to be entirely "good" to exist?
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Postby The Alma Mater » Fri Oct 24, 2014 9:03 pm

Paintal wrote:
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Well, it somewhat does. The universe after all does not seem very loving and welcoming. Nor does nature when you really take a good look at it. It definately does not seem designed for us.
Certain images of God are somewhat incompatible with that reality.


Just because it doesn't seem designed for us, doesn't mean that there isn't some sort of a deity. Sure certain ideas about such a deity may be wrong, but that doesn't mean that it doesn't exist.


Oh, yes - it indeed does not mean "some sort" of deity does not exist. It is just evidence against specific deities - like e.g. the one of Abraham.
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Postby Benuty » Fri Oct 24, 2014 9:05 pm

The Alma Mater wrote:
Paintal wrote:
Just because it doesn't seem designed for us, doesn't mean that there isn't some sort of a deity. Sure certain ideas about such a deity may be wrong, but that doesn't mean that it doesn't exist.


Oh, yes - it indeed does not mean "some sort" of deity does not exist. It is just evidence against specific deities - like e.g. the one of Abraham.

Nonsense.

The Christian deity is not the Yahwist deity.
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Postby Banana Isle » Fri Oct 24, 2014 11:47 pm

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Maitea wrote:according to atheists,

nothing + nobody + some random explosion = everything ever created


I get the feeling a lot of people don't know the first shit about science and that's why they believe in God.


I agree. If those people understood science, they would've made an equation like this:

explosion from questionable factors + lots of asteroids traveling at high speeds + pond scum = life

By this equation and by the factual rationale of evolution, one has to logically conclude that everyone you love is, in essence, nothing more than pond scum, along with the 2,000 different species of banana trees.

To think that something as vast and awe as life itself was created by a divine power is to be outright ignorant of the laws of science.

If you were any true person of logic, I think you would agree with me.
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Postby CTALNH » Sat Oct 25, 2014 2:14 am

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I think the whole point of the Eldritch is that we can't fully comprehend them.

The images we have of them are not to scale. Cthulhu may appear the way he is to us because that is all we can understand of him.

I always imagined that the skin of Cthulhu would be crawling and moving because what composes him isn't typical and he does not live.

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Doesn't seem that weird.

The whole point of cthulhu is the terrifying mystery.

He is the nightmare that nightmares fear he does and doesn't exist in all of us at the same time.To truly comprehend him is to go mad.To try a fight him is impossible for you would be trying to fight yourself.
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Postby The Rich Port » Sat Oct 25, 2014 7:06 am

Banana Isle wrote:
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I get the feeling a lot of people don't know the first shit about science and that's why they believe in God.


I agree. If those people understood science, they would've made an equation like this:

explosion from questionable factors + lots of asteroids traveling at high speeds + pond scum = life

By this equation and by the factual rationale of evolution, one has to logically conclude that everyone you love is, in essence, nothing more than pond scum, along with the 2,000 different species of banana trees.

To think that something as vast and awe as life itself was created by a divine power is to be outright ignorant of the laws of science.

If you were any true person of logic, I think you would agree with me.


And heck, isn't pond scum an improvement over earth or ash or whatever the fuck God made humans out of?

How the fuck does that work? Earth or ash isn't living.
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Postby Benuty » Sat Oct 25, 2014 7:09 am

The Rich Port wrote:
Banana Isle wrote:
I agree. If those people understood science, they would've made an equation like this:

explosion from questionable factors + lots of asteroids traveling at high speeds + pond scum = life

By this equation and by the factual rationale of evolution, one has to logically conclude that everyone you love is, in essence, nothing more than pond scum, along with the 2,000 different species of banana trees.

To think that something as vast and awe as life itself was created by a divine power is to be outright ignorant of the laws of science.

If you were any true person of logic, I think you would agree with me.


And heck, isn't pond scum an improvement over earth or ash or whatever the fuck God made humans out of?

How the fuck does that work? Earth or ash isn't living.

I don't know about you, but communion with stars is a rather spiritual experience.
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Postby Banana Isle » Sat Oct 25, 2014 3:16 pm

The Rich Port wrote:
Banana Isle wrote:
I agree. If those people understood science, they would've made an equation like this:

explosion from questionable factors + lots of asteroids traveling at high speeds + pond scum = life

By this equation and by the factual rationale of evolution, one has to logically conclude that everyone you love is, in essence, nothing more than pond scum, along with the 2,000 different species of banana trees.

To think that something as vast and awe as life itself was created by a divine power is to be outright ignorant of the laws of science.

If you were any true person of logic, I think you would agree with me.


And heck, isn't pond scum an improvement over earth or ash or whatever the **** God made humans out of?

How the **** does that work? Earth or ash isn't living.


What kind of argument or comment is this? Watch your mouth/keypad or I'm going to tell your dad, kid.
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Postby Martean » Sat Oct 25, 2014 3:17 pm

Banana Isle wrote:
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And heck, isn't pond scum an improvement over earth or ash or whatever the **** God made humans out of?

How the **** does that work? Earth or ash isn't living.


What kind of argument or comment is this? Watch your mouth/keypad or I'm going to tell your dad, kid.


I think he was just trolling (very badly, btw)
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Sat Oct 25, 2014 3:29 pm

Banana Isle wrote:
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And heck, isn't pond scum an improvement over earth or ash or whatever the **** God made humans out of?

How the **** does that work? Earth or ash isn't living.


What kind of argument or comment is this? Watch your mouth/keypad or I'm going to tell your dad, kid.


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Postby Banana Isle » Sat Oct 25, 2014 3:31 pm

Martean wrote:
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What kind of argument or comment is this? Watch your mouth/keypad or I'm going to tell your dad, kid.


I think he was just trolling (very badly, btw)


Most likely, but nonetheless that kind of language is completely inappropriate. If he's going to troll, he should at least show some dignity and not present himself as an uneducated loose-tongued anti-religious bigot.
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Postby Neutraligon » Sat Oct 25, 2014 3:46 pm

Banana Isle wrote:
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I think he was just trolling (very badly, btw)


Most likely, but nonetheless that kind of language is completely inappropriate. If he's going to troll, he should at least show some dignity and not present himself as an uneducated loose-tongued anti-religious bigot.


That language is common here, get used to it.
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Postby Farnhamia » Sat Oct 25, 2014 4:13 pm

Banana Isle wrote:
Martean wrote:
I think he was just trolling (very badly, btw)


Most likely, but nonetheless that kind of language is completely inappropriate. If he's going to troll, he should at least show some dignity and not present himself as an uneducated loose-tongued anti-religious bigot.

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Postby New Terricon » Sat Oct 25, 2014 8:20 pm

Tell me, how does God show his love?
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Postby Menassa » Sat Oct 25, 2014 8:44 pm

New Terricon wrote:Tell me, how does God show his love?

Depends on your definition of love.
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Postby New Terricon » Sat Oct 25, 2014 10:28 pm

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New Terricon wrote:Tell me, how does God show his love?

Depends on your definition of love.

As I see it (provided the existence of the instance in question), God would all be toying with us. If he is all powerful, controls everything, omnipotent, and all knowing, it would be impossible for God to simply just observe his creations. It would be responsible for every last thing in the universe. Every disease and famine, every last cold-hearted murderer, and every single fiber of evil and hatred in this universe would fall on the shoulders of God. Furthermore, with the possibility of alien life, God is also doing the same thing to those other races. I can't see that to be love in any way. I'm sorry, I can't believe in such a personal god that the main monotheist religions advocate. Now, I don't completely deny the existence of a "more powerful" force. I merely fail to accept an all powerful force.
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Postby Phoenixfox » Sat Oct 25, 2014 10:32 pm

New Terricon wrote:Tell me, how does God show his love?

By sending his one and only son to suffer and die so that we may enjoy eternity with him in heaven. Sacrificing everything for us. Breathing life into our lungs. Refusing to abandon us no matter how far we stray from his path and always forgiving our mistakes if we have a repentant heart. Come on, this is basic stuff.
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Postby Benuty » Sat Oct 25, 2014 10:34 pm

Phoenixfox wrote:
New Terricon wrote:Tell me, how does God show his love?

By sending his one and only son to suffer and die so that we may enjoy eternity with him in heaven. Sacrificing everything for us. Breathing life into our lungs. Refusing to abandon us no matter how far we stray from his path and always forgiving our mistakes if we have a repentant heart. Come on, this is basic stuff.

Sacrificing a sapient being is incredibly depraved.
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Postby Phoenixfox » Sat Oct 25, 2014 10:37 pm

Benuty wrote:
Phoenixfox wrote:By sending his one and only son to suffer and die so that we may enjoy eternity with him in heaven. Sacrificing everything for us. Breathing life into our lungs. Refusing to abandon us no matter how far we stray from his path and always forgiving our mistakes if we have a repentant heart. Come on, this is basic stuff.

Sacrificing a sapient being is incredibly depraved.

It was the only way. A beloved one to save trillions. It's sad yet also beautiful at the same time.
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Postby Sun Wukong » Sat Oct 25, 2014 11:14 pm

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Benuty wrote:Sacrificing a sapient being is incredibly depraved.

It was the only way. A beloved one to save trillions. It's sad yet also beautiful at the same time.

That's nothing like beautiful. What Madoka did, now that was beautiful.

You also just said that your god is not omnipotent.
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Postby -Ebola- » Sat Oct 25, 2014 11:56 pm

Phoenixfox wrote:
New Terricon wrote:Tell me, how does God show his love?

By sending his one and only son to suffer and die so that we may enjoy eternity with him in heaven. Sacrificing everything for us. Breathing life into our lungs. Refusing to abandon us no matter how far we stray from his path and always forgiving our mistakes if we have a repentant heart. Come on, this is basic stuff.


Why couldn't he just let you all into Heaven without all that crap?

As for myself, I don't have lungs and I don't have any sins to be washed away, so none of this is relevant to me.
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Postby The Alma Mater » Sat Oct 25, 2014 11:59 pm

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Benuty wrote:Sacrificing a sapient being is incredibly depraved.

It was the only way. A beloved one to save trillions. It's sad yet also beautiful at the same time.


Sacrificing *someone else* is not beautiful, noble or whatever.
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Postby The Arctic Kingdom » Sat Oct 25, 2014 11:59 pm

No, not really, there is no scientific evidence supporting the existence of a god. (And no, the Bible isn't viable scientific evidence)
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Postby Cosumar » Sun Oct 26, 2014 1:00 am

Phoenixfox wrote:
Benuty wrote:Sacrificing a sapient being is incredibly depraved.

It was the only way. A beloved one to save trillions. It's sad yet also beautiful at the same time.

Save trillions from what?

Oh yeah, the Hell he created himself.
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