Does God Exist?

by **The Orson Empire** » Tue Sep 30, 2014 4:20 pm

Mavorpen wrote:
The Orson Empire wrote:Then you shouldn't have accused me of strawmanning, when all you said was "no" and somehow expected me to interpret that as "skeptical".

I don't care. A strawman is a strawman.

So much for "logic and reason", which you always seem to argue.

by **Inzijard** » Tue Sep 30, 2014 4:20 pm

Vekalse wrote:
Godular wrote:
Oh really? You have evidence?

No. We don't. However, I assume you have solid evidence of the Big Bang. You saw it, I assume?

Ah yes, the Big Bang. I remember it like it was yesterday; was in a bar with some friends when it came on the news. A lot of mixed reactions.

by **Godular** » Tue Sep 30, 2014 4:21 pm

Vekalse wrote:
Godular wrote:
Oh really? You have evidence?

No. We don't. However, I assume you have solid evidence of the Big Bang. You saw it, I assume?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cosmic_microwave_background

It wouldn't be a theory if it didn't have evidence. Seriously people.

by **Stormwind-City** » Tue Sep 30, 2014 4:21 pm

Vazdaria wrote:
Godular wrote:
Oh really? You have evidence?

Do you have evidence that G-d has a body? Because if G-d has a body, we should be able to measure it.

I can't measure G-d. You can't measure G-d.

If G-d were to have a body then that places a physical limitation on G-d.

If we can't test god, he doesn't occupy reality and therefore by definition can't exist.

by **Risottia** » Tue Sep 30, 2014 4:21 pm

Vazdaria wrote:
Risottia wrote:Proof or BS.

The belief that it was just simply preeminently "there" is just as logical as the belief that God has always existed and that nothing could come before it. It was just there and has always been there.

SOOOOO, If you believe in the concept of law and effect then its totally plausible to believe in a creator.

Why should I hold a BELIEF about physical laws? They're either verified or disproven.
So far nothing proves that the cause-effect relationship is anything but a category of the human mind or perception.

by **Vekalse** » Tue Sep 30, 2014 4:22 pm

Godular wrote:
Vekalse wrote:
No. We don't. However, I assume you have solid evidence of the Big Bang. You saw it, I assume?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cosmic_microwave_background

It wouldn't be a theory if it didn't have evidence. Seriously people.

You saw it, I assume? (I'm hoping you'll get it.)

by **Vazdaria** » Tue Sep 30, 2014 4:22 pm

Risottia wrote:
Vazdaria wrote:I can't measure G-d. You can't measure G-d.

Hence it is not real.

That's only for Physicalities though. We're not talking about something Physical.

by **Risottia** » Tue Sep 30, 2014 4:22 pm

Vekalse wrote:
Godular wrote:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cosmic_microwave_background

It wouldn't be a theory if it didn't have evidence. Seriously people.

You saw it, I assume? (I'm hoping you'll get it.)

Building an antenna isn't that difficult.

by **Text People** » Tue Sep 30, 2014 4:23 pm

Vazdaria wrote:
Risottia wrote:
Hence it is not real.

That's only for Physicalities though. We're not talking about something Physical.

Is God pure mind in some way?

by **Godular** » Tue Sep 30, 2014 4:23 pm

Vekalse wrote:
Godular wrote:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cosmic_microwave_background

It wouldn't be a theory if it didn't have evidence. Seriously people.

You saw it, I assume? (I'm hoping you'll get it.)

Get what? The annoying tendency common to some of the more die-hard creationists to yammer about historical science as opposed to observational science?

by **Mavorpen** » Tue Sep 30, 2014 4:23 pm

The Orson Empire wrote:
Mavorpen wrote:I don't care. A strawman is a strawman.

So much for "logic and reason", which you always seem to argue.

I'm not sure why it would be logical for me to not call a strawman a strawman. Seriously, you're now complaining JUST for the sake of complaining that I called your strawman what it is.

by **Stormwind-City** » Tue Sep 30, 2014 4:23 pm

Vazdaria wrote:
Risottia wrote:
Hence it is not real.

That's only for Physicalities though. We're not talking about something Physical.

Does god occupy space in the universe?

by **Risottia** » Tue Sep 30, 2014 4:23 pm

Vazdaria wrote:
Risottia wrote:
Hence it is not real.

That's only for Physicalities though. We're not talking about something Physical.

Hence we're talking about something whose existance cannot be verified, whose qualities cannot be measured, and that cannot interact with the universe, being non-physical.

Aka: an item of fantasy.

by **Mavorpen** » Tue Sep 30, 2014 4:24 pm

Vazdaria wrote:
Risottia wrote:
Hence it is not real.

That's only for Physicalities though. We're not talking about something Physical.

No, we're talking about something non-physical that supposedly had/has interaction with the universe in some way, shape or form. And we should be able to test/measure that. And if we cannot, then it doesn't exist. Period.

by **Vazdaria** » Tue Sep 30, 2014 4:24 pm

Stormwind-City wrote:
Vazdaria wrote:That's only for Physicalities though. We're not talking about something Physical.

Does god occupy space in the universe?

One might say G-d is everywhere

Perhaps like Gravity?

by **Arcturus Novus** » Tue Sep 30, 2014 4:24 pm

I just wanna point out that if a deity does exist, I'm pretty sure it isn't El/Adonai/Yahweh/wahtever the Abrahamic faiths' proper name for their god is.

by **The Orson Empire** » Tue Sep 30, 2014 4:24 pm

Mavorpen wrote:
The Orson Empire wrote:So much for "logic and reason", which you always seem to argue.

I'm not sure why it would be logical for me to not call a strawman a strawman. Seriously, you're now complaining JUST for the sake of complaining that I called your strawman what it is.

The only problem is that it's not a fucking strawman. How the hell do you expect me to interpret your post in a certain way when all you write is "no"?

by **Othelos** » Tue Sep 30, 2014 4:24 pm

Vazdaria wrote:
Othelos wrote:

Correct. The prohibition against blasphemy applies to G-d's Hebrew names. I still like showing respect to the Creator

I guarantee you that he doesn't care if you use a dash instead of an 'o'. The meaning and usage is still obvious.

by **Rebellious Fishermen** » Tue Sep 30, 2014 4:24 pm

Yes.

Even if only in our minds.

by **Vazdaria** » Tue Sep 30, 2014 4:25 pm

Mavorpen wrote:
Vazdaria wrote:That's only for Physicalities though. We're not talking about something Physical.

No, we're talking about something physical that supposedly had/has interaction with the universe in some way, shape or form. And we should be able to test/measure that. And if we cannot, then it doesn't exist. Period.

You place limitations on G-d then. If you place a limitation on G-d then it's no longer all powerful.

by **Stormwind-City** » Tue Sep 30, 2014 4:25 pm

Vazdaria wrote:
Stormwind-City wrote:Does god occupy space in the universe?

One might say G-d is everywhere

Perhaps like Gravity?

Gravity can be measured. Can god be measured?

by **Othelos** » Tue Sep 30, 2014 4:25 pm

Vazdaria wrote:
Risottia wrote:
Hence it is not real.

That's only for Physicalities though. We're not talking about something Physical.

It's not physical, because it only exists in the mind as an idea.

by **Vazdaria** » Tue Sep 30, 2014 4:26 pm

Stormwind-City wrote:
Vazdaria wrote:One might say G-d is everywhere

Perhaps like Gravity?

Gravity can be measured. Can god be measured?

Not the point. Gravity exists everywhere.

We're not talking about its measureability.

by **Inzijard** » Tue Sep 30, 2014 4:26 pm

Arcturus Novus wrote:I just wanna point out that if a deity does exist, I'm pretty sure it isn't El/Adonai/Yahweh/wahtever the Abrahamic faiths' proper name for their god is.

El Yahweh, mi amigo.

by **Stormwind-City** » Tue Sep 30, 2014 4:28 pm

Vazdaria wrote:
Stormwind-City wrote:Gravity can be measured. Can god be measured?

Not the point. Gravity exists everywhere.

We're not talking about its measureability.

If gravity can be measured and exist everywhere, what about god?

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