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Is divorce selfish? Is it a right?

Postby Jumalariik » Sun Sep 28, 2014 6:45 pm

Is it a right for parents to get divorced and is it selfish?

This is not a complicated question. Simply put, when parents get divorced, children suffer. Be it through feeling that they are the cause, custody battles, weird boyfriend/girlfriends of parents, confusion, getting trapped in the middle of conflicts, etc. Is it selfish of parents to be divorced knowing this is true?

My parents were divorced when I was young, and still today, I get caught up in the conflicts that they have between each other over who has me when. I don't really care so long as I have a roof over my head, however, I'm a lucky one, many kids/teenagers do not have the luck of having two good parents in this case, I think that it is inherently selfish for parents to get divorced, however, it is often the better solution, what about you NSG?
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Postby Scottish Gallifrey » Sun Sep 28, 2014 6:47 pm

Jumalariik wrote:Is it a right for parents to get divorced and is it selfish?

This is not a complicated question. Simply put, when parents get divorced, children suffer. Be it through feeling that they are the cause, custody battles, weird boyfriend/girlfriends of parents, confusion, getting trapped in the middle of conflicts, etc. Is it selfish of parents to be divorced knowing this is true?

My parents were divorced when I was young, and still today, I get caught up in the conflicts that they have between each other over who has me when. I don't really care so long as I have a roof over my head, however, I'm a lucky one, many kids/teenagers do not have the luck of having two good parents in this case, I think that it is inherently selfish for parents to get divorced, however, it is often the better solution, what about you NSG?

Simple, divorce is not selfish and if there is a reason it is right. Case closed. Can we go home now?
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Postby Lalaki » Sun Sep 28, 2014 6:47 pm

It's really both.

People should consider the long term implications of getting married. The phenomenon of divorce will never end, as issues can always arise later in marriage. But if people thought more, and placed more value on being wed, the rate could potentially go down.
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Postby Furry Alairia and Algeria » Sun Sep 28, 2014 6:47 pm

It's a right. There really isn't a better decision if one wants separation other than a silent murder.
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Postby Page » Sun Sep 28, 2014 6:47 pm

But some parents' relationships are so shitty that children would suffer more by them not getting divorced.
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Postby The Liberated Territories » Sun Sep 28, 2014 6:47 pm

As someone who is going through a parental separation, I believe that the "rational self interest" of one spouse in the long run can benefit the whole family, especially if they aren't getting along or the kids are constantly being negatively affected into their arguing. Mind you, I am a young adult, so it doesn't affect me as much as a preteen, but that's just my PoV.
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Postby Furry Alairia and Algeria » Sun Sep 28, 2014 6:48 pm

Not to mention some couples are childless, so the child possibility would be a bit removed
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Postby Jumalariik » Sun Sep 28, 2014 6:50 pm

The Liberated Territories wrote:As someone who is going through a parental separation, I believe that the "rational self interest" of one spouse in the long run can benefit the whole family, especially if they aren't getting along or the kids are constantly being negatively affected into their arguing.

I won't deny that, especially since in my case they did it so early that I'm not too affected, them arguing is my earliest memory though, then again, I was on a nice wall-to wall carpet in the memory too, kinda makes up for it. :p
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Postby Shnercropolis » Sun Sep 28, 2014 6:51 pm

Well honestly you shouldn't marry someone who you can't stand after 5 years. Make it work.

But then again, people have the right to leave other people if they want to.
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Postby Jumalariik » Sun Sep 28, 2014 6:51 pm

Furry Alairia and Algeria wrote:It's a right. There really isn't a better decision if one wants separation other than a silent murder.

It is selfish though. Parents who obsess over custody battles are being self-centered and are harming their kids, not helping them most of the time.
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Postby Shnercropolis » Sun Sep 28, 2014 6:52 pm

Jumalariik wrote:
Furry Alairia and Algeria wrote:It's a right. There really isn't a better decision if one wants separation other than a silent murder.

It is selfish though. Parents who obsess over custody battles are being self-centered and are harming their kids, not helping them most of the time.

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Postby The House of Xavier » Sun Sep 28, 2014 6:52 pm

Ideally, you marry somebody where there exists some form of compatibility. But that can be hard to maintain or even determine beforehand, so divorce is necessary.

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Postby Furry Alairia and Algeria » Sun Sep 28, 2014 6:53 pm

Jumalariik wrote:
Furry Alairia and Algeria wrote:It's a right. There really isn't a better decision if one wants separation other than a silent murder.

It is selfish though. Parents who obsess over custody battles are being self-centered and are harming their kids, not helping them most of the time.

So it's better if I put myself in the hypothetical situation in which I'm married, have a child, kill the mother, and tell my child, who might have seen the murder, say, "Mommy went away. Don't worry, you have me!" and eventually abuse my kid and become a deadbeat Dad, or just settle for a divorce case?
Tell me.
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Postby Bezkoshtovnya » Sun Sep 28, 2014 6:53 pm

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Jumalariik wrote:Is it a right for parents to get divorced and is it selfish?

This is not a complicated question. Simply put, when parents get divorced, children suffer. Be it through feeling that they are the cause, custody battles, weird boyfriend/girlfriends of parents, confusion, getting trapped in the middle of conflicts, etc. Is it selfish of parents to be divorced knowing this is true?

My parents were divorced when I was young, and still today, I get caught up in the conflicts that they have between each other over who has me when. I don't really care so long as I have a roof over my head, however, I'm a lucky one, many kids/teenagers do not have the luck of having two good parents in this case, I think that it is inherently selfish for parents to get divorced, however, it is often the better solution, what about you NSG?

Simple, divorce is not selfish and if there is a reason it is right. Case closed. Can we go home now?

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Postby Alcase » Sun Sep 28, 2014 6:54 pm

Divorce is a right.
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Postby United Marxist Nations » Sun Sep 28, 2014 6:57 pm

I tend to somewhat hold the idea of Bertrand Russel on divorce; that being, that it is just fine, but that if there are children, that it shouldn't be done. Of course, this is flexible in the case of something like domestic violence, in which case the child is also at danger from the violence, and should be removed from such danger.
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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Sun Sep 28, 2014 6:58 pm

As a product of divorced parents, for a long time I thought my parents had been selfish in divorcing. But after a while I realized that because they sought to be happy, even when not together, mine and my brother's quality of life improved precisely because my mom and my dad were able to be happy, albeit with different spouses. Consequently, now, I do not think it's selfish. It's unfortunate in many cases, but not selfish. If the parents aren't happy together, neither will the children be. And if they don't have children, I think they owe to themselves to strive to be happy.

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Postby Cedoria » Sun Sep 28, 2014 6:58 pm

If there are serious problems in the marriage, I would say that it is MORE selfish for the parents to stay together and subject the kid to that kind of conflict every day than divorcing and trying to remove oneself from it.
However, I do agree, people should be very careful about who they marry in the first place. My father gave me two pieces of advice about this

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Postby Jumalariik » Sun Sep 28, 2014 7:03 pm

Furry Alairia and Algeria wrote:It's a right. There really isn't a better decision if one wants separation other than a silent murder.

What the hell are you talking about? Are you joking? I thought you were until I saw your later post.
The fact is that it is a right, however, you have to think about the child, your idea is that it is just between the parents, it's not.
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Postby Furry Alairia and Algeria » Sun Sep 28, 2014 7:07 pm

Jumalariik wrote:
Furry Alairia and Algeria wrote:It's a right. There really isn't a better decision if one wants separation other than a silent murder.

What the hell are you talking about? Are you joking? I thought you were until I saw your later post.
The fact is that it is a right, however, you have to think about the child, your idea is that it is just between the parents, it's not.
As you are Christian, you do realize the only way to actually divorce or separate from a matrimonial bond is to kill the wife, as it dates back in old history. Legal disputes were common, but were nevertheless ended up in one of the two dead because of the other's actions. Look at your own culture & religion before you start complaining about someone else's decisions, because you seem to be doing that often.
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Postby Ifreann » Sun Sep 28, 2014 7:07 pm

Jumalariik wrote:Is it a right for parents to get divorced and is it selfish?

Yes and maybe, respectively.

This is not a complicated question. Simply put, when parents get divorced, children suffer.

Every time? Doubt it.
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Postby Distruzio » Sun Sep 28, 2014 7:07 pm

Is it a right? No. Is it selfish? Yes.

Once you have children, your obligation as a parent is to the safety and prosperity of them. If, in securing those obligations you yourself are rendered more safe and prosperous, well done. But at no point should you place your own happiness above that of your children (unless spousal abuse is involved - in that case, get the fuck out).
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Postby The Sotoan Union » Sun Sep 28, 2014 7:08 pm

Yes it should definitely be a right to leave someone if you want to. How could you think that couldn't be a right? That's bondage.

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Postby Ifreann » Sun Sep 28, 2014 7:09 pm

The Sotoan Union wrote:Yes it should definitely be a right to leave someone if you want to. How could you think that couldn't be a right? That's bondage.

No, bondage is something else entirely.
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Postby The United Territories of Providence » Sun Sep 28, 2014 7:09 pm

When the well being of a child, and development of that child is being threatened by their parents remaining married, divorce isn't selfish.
Growing up in a dysfunctional household, where one's parents share no love for one another, and simply remain married because they believe children need 2 parents. That's selfish. Parents are people, who also deserve happiness. Wishing your parents would've just grit their teeth for a few more years, and lived day after day with a person they hate....faking emotion. That would make the child selfish.
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