Hong Kong protests getting violent

[Australian rePublic]

Wait, who's throwing tear gas? Hong Kongers or Chinese government?

[Socialist Czechia]

In a surprise move the British has sent a flotilla to the waters near Hong Kong led by the recommissioned HMS Illustrious.


they are likely there to enforce the 50 years of self rule agreement.

Any sign of 007 shoving evil media tycoons into their own grinding torpedoes yet?

Please, no more. Worst 'movie' ever. I loved only one part:

Elliot Carver: Mr. Wallace, call the President. Tell him if he doesn't sign the bill lowering the cable rates, we will release the video of him with the cheerleader in the Chicago motel room.
Mr. Wallace: Inspired, sir.
Elliot Carver: And after he signs the bill, release the tape anyway.

[Australian rePublic]

No, there's a difference to Gas Attacks and Shooting at People. Understand this first.
Secong, there's not much anyone can do. China is a growing military power. The more military, then the less democratic, well then again, there is no democracy.
So I really can't care about it other than say it's bad, but there's been way worse.

You can vote in China, but only if you are in the CCP, so it has a very very very small amount of democracy

You can vote in North Korea *nods*

[Australian rePublic]

Why attack a country that has nuclear power that can reach all the way from Xinjiang to America just to liberate a 50+KM2 area?

We may lose the Pacific seaboard, but we'll win the war. We have far more nukes and they are far more accurate. Millions, maybe even a billion will die. But at least Hong Kong would be free or what's left of it.

But Hawaii won't

[Helthon]

Hong Kong is different from mainland China.
Thanks to long, effective Western Government, Hong Kong is an urban, capitalist city. Perhaps it was a terrible decision to give Hong Kong to China. We could have transformed them into another Singapore. Instead we are now dealing with PRC's damn control freak nature.

One country, two systems. That was the deal. China wants Hong Kong, not vice versa.

But of course, those popular opinions will change in Hong Kong, because the PRC is going to use the old strategy of flooding in a new Majority if Han Chinese migrants to Hong Kong.

[Australian rePublic]

Hong Kong is different from mainland China.
Thanks to long, effective Western Government, Hong Kong is an urban, capitalist city. Perhaps it was a terrible decision to give Hong Kong to China. We could have transformed them into another Singapore. Instead we are now dealing with PRC's damn control freak nature.

One country, two systems. That was the deal. China wants Hong Kong, not vice versa.

But of course, those popular opinions will change in Hong Kong, because the PRC is going to use the old strategy of flooding in a new Majority if Han Chinese migrants to Hong Kong.

But Hong Kong is already too crowded

[Seraven]

Wait, who's throwing tear gas? Hong Kongers or Chinese government?

Who do you think throwing the tear gas?

It's the law.

[Tuthina]

Hong Kong is different from mainland China.
Thanks to long, effective Western Government, Hong Kong is an urban, capitalist city. Perhaps it was a terrible decision to give Hong Kong to China. We could have transformed them into another Singapore. Instead we are now dealing with PRC's damn control freak nature.

One country, two systems. That was the deal. China wants Hong Kong, not vice versa.

But of course, those popular opinions will change in Hong Kong, because the PRC is going to use the old strategy of flooding in a new Majority if Han Chinese migrants to Hong Kong.

Singapore did not have to face the PLA to gain independence. In fact, it is essentially being kicked into independence from Malaysia.

[Leocardia]

Wait, who's throwing tear gas? Hong Kongers or Chinese government?

Definitely not the Chinese government. The Hong Kongers are throwing tear gas at their own.

[Seraven]

Wait, who's throwing tear gas? Hong Kongers or Chinese government?

Definitely not the Chinese government. The Hong Kongers are throwing tear gas at their own.

But the Hong Kongers are given the orders from the top. And the top is also pro-Chinese. So the China have indirect aid.

[Commietroll]

Its a 12-minute walk between the PLA barracks to the legislative council building and a 16-minute walk between the PLA barracks to the hong Kong government bureau complex.

[Australian rePublic]

Wait, who's throwing tear gas? Hong Kongers or Chinese government?

Definitely not the Chinese government. The Hong Kongers are throwing tear gas at their own.

The OP should make this clearer

[Commietroll]

Which would be unrealistic.

I'm not calling for the CCP to be removed from power. No, I should have said it in my initial response but what I was inferring was what Xi Jinping has been currently doing for the past few months: going after his political enemies.

See, Xi has been undergoing an "anti-corruption operation" which has been rooting out various high level officials on "anti-corruption charges" (which, given that internal security in China is currently budgeted for $10 billion in extra spending than the military, anti-corruption might have some merit). Said officials are also close members of a rival faction that was brought to power by the appointment of former leader Jiang Zhemin. Jiang came to power in the aftermath of the Tianamen Square massacre and currently, it's members of his faction who are calling for similar measures in Hong Kong. Why? So they can get into power again and benefit from the huge amount of funding they get (i.e siphoning it out of public funds for self enrichment) whilst cracking down on subversives in Hong Kong such as pro-democracy advocates and Falun Gong practitioners. Xi doesn't want this and so he's basically using Hong Kong as a tool to get what he wants and it's very likely give the people of Hong Kong what they want. Xi is also an unabashed admirer of Deng Xiaoping, who was the one that initially began negotiations with the British about the return of Hong Kong as well as the promise of elections.

Essentially the solution would be for Xi to eliminate Jiang's faction and cement his own increased power over China, including Hong Kong. By removing Jiang's faction, Xi can finally gain full control over the Politburo's Standing Committee which essentially decides policy in China, including that of Hong Kong. And if that control is gained, Xi, who is a moderate, may be able to negotiate a final settlement with the protesters.

That conspiracy came from an religious nutcase but then again it truth that xi jingping is taking out jiang zemin's allies.

[Leocardia]

Definitely not the Chinese government. The Hong Kongers are throwing tear gas at their own.

But the Hong Kongers are given the orders from the top. And the top is also pro-Chinese. So the China have indirect aid.

Of course the top is pro-Chinese. If they weren't pro-Chinese, they'd be their own separate country by now. Little did you know, even though the Chief Executive is chosen by election by the CCP, the other council members are elected by HK citizens. If you don't know Hong Kong Legitslature, if there is a majority decision by the Councilmembers, they can override Chief Executive say. And so far, the Councilmembers (elected by HK locals) have decided to allow police to use force.

... BUT YOU DON'T KNOW THAT... All your media outlets only report that these college students, who are all born after the British handover and have no idea how the British treated the Chinese people living in Hong Kong, say and glamorize British-ruled era.

[Tuthina]

But the Hong Kongers are given the orders from the top. And the top is also pro-Chinese. So the China have indirect aid.

Of course the top is pro-Chinese. If they weren't pro-Chinese, they'd be their own separate country by now. Little did you know, even though the Chief Executive is chosen by election by the CCP, the other council members are elected by HK citizens. If you don't know Hong Kong Legitslature, if there is a majority decision by the Councilmembers, they can override Chief Executive say. And so far, the Councilmembers (elected by HK locals) have decided to allow police to use force.

... BUT YOU DON'T KNOW THAT... All your media outlets only report that these college students, who are all born after the British handover and have no idea how the British treated the Chinese people living in Hong Kong, say and glamorize British-ruled era.

Not entirely true.

[West Aurelia]

The Voice of a Generation - Time.

An excellent Time article on Joshua Wong.

[Seraven]

The Voice of a Generation - Time.

An excellent Time article on Joshua Wong.

The future leader of Hong Kong.

[West Aurelia]

The Voice of a Generation - Time.

An excellent Time article on Joshua Wong.

The future leader of Hong Kong.

Well, in the article, he states that he doesn't like the attention and that he's glad that he's not the leader of the protest movement (it's extremely decentralized and he's the de facto student leader) as it would fail if he was.

Anyway, I fully support him and I hope his goals can be achieved.

[Seraven]

The future leader of Hong Kong.

Well, in the article, he states that he doesn't like the attention and that he's glad that he's not the leader of the protest movement (it's extremely decentralized and he's the de facto student leader) as it would fail if he was.

Anyway, I fully support him and I hope his goals can be achieved.

Yeah, well, I hope China do the right thing.

[West Aurelia]

Well, in the article, he states that he doesn't like the attention and that he's glad that he's not the leader of the protest movement (it's extremely decentralized and he's the de facto student leader) as it would fail if he was.

Anyway, I fully support him and I hope his goals can be achieved.

Yeah, well, I hope China do the right thing.

Unlikely. As long as the Communist Party remains in power, democracy will never be realized. I still support his goals despite all this.

[West Aurelia]

Taiwan urges China to let Hong Kong 'go democratic' - The Guardian.

"Taiwan’s president, Ma Ying-jeou, has called on Beijing to 'let some people go democratic first' as he expressed support for protesters who have paralysed parts of Hong Kong for nearly two weeks."

[Socialist Czechia]

Taiwan urges China to let Hong Kong 'go democratic' - The Guardian.

"Taiwan’s president, Ma Ying-jeou, has called on Beijing to 'let some people go democratic first' as he expressed support for protesters who have paralysed parts of Hong Kong for nearly two weeks."

Funny, how governments and newspapers all around the world must desperately avoid real name of Taiwanese regime: Republic of China.

[Afro-Euasia]

People In the mainland and in hong kong can see this,Say Hi.

[Tuthina]

People In the mainland and in hong kong can see this,Say Hi.

Hi.

[Republic of Coldwater]

Taiwan urges China to let Hong Kong 'go democratic' - The Guardian.

"Taiwan’s president, Ma Ying-jeou, has called on Beijing to 'let some people go democratic first' as he expressed support for protesters who have paralysed parts of Hong Kong for nearly two weeks."

It is in my fullest of hopes that Taiwan can eventually take control of Hong Kong, as Taiwan's principles of liberty, democracy and capitalism will only ensure that Hong Kong's embodying principles of liberty, democracy and capitalism will not be trampled on by an ever expanding bureaucracy that is looking more and more Maoist every single day.