NATION

PASSWORD

What do Athiests stand to gain from disproving God?

For discussion and debate about anything. (Not a roleplay related forum; out-of-character commentary only.)
User avatar
Deltaz
Envoy
 
Posts: 202
Founded: Jun 10, 2014
Ex-Nation

What do Athiests stand to gain from disproving God?

Postby Deltaz » Thu Sep 25, 2014 2:44 pm

I was recently looking at the Does a Christian God Exist? thread and while arguing, this thought came too mind.

From my point of view (admittedly Catholic), atheists trying to disprove God are trying to rid the world of someone (who may or may not exist) that leads an organisation that goes into the world spreading a message of love to the world and helps the poor by feeding and educating them. By disproving God it also seems that atheists are trying to get rid of something that answers life's tough questions and unites many people under that belief.

I may not be able to see it from an atheist viewpoint so that is why I'm asking you NSG,

What do Atheist stand to gain from disproving God?
Last edited by Deltaz on Thu Sep 25, 2014 2:54 pm, edited 1 time in total.
Call me Delta, Deltaz sounds strange
Me: A 14 year old, Catholic male Australian, a patriot but believes that there are few things that can be done to improve the country.
Down with Abbott, put this in your sig if you agree!
Benuty wrote:
Geilinor wrote:What does anyone stand to gain from debating God?

Wine, Women, and Glory *nods*.

Lunatic Goofballs wrote:Kim Jong-Un is so fat, he's had his name legally changed to Kim Jong-Deux. 8)
Embassy Programme
Based off the fraternity in the comedy series community:DELTA CUBES DELTA CUBES
Deltaz is a crazy place, self classified as a Greendalian Anarchy and the government actively supports hijinks and shenanigans among other things.
Find out more here: CLICK MEH! (WIP)

User avatar
Geilinor
Post Czar
 
Posts: 41328
Founded: Feb 20, 2010
Ex-Nation

Postby Geilinor » Thu Sep 25, 2014 2:47 pm

What does anyone stand to gain from debating God?
Member of the Free Democratic Party. Not left. Not right. Forward.
Economic Left/Right: -1.13
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -2.41

User avatar
Benuty
Post Czar
 
Posts: 37335
Founded: Jan 21, 2013
Corrupt Dictatorship

Postby Benuty » Thu Sep 25, 2014 2:49 pm

Geilinor wrote:What does anyone stand to gain from debating God?

Wine, Women, and Glory *nods*.
Last edited by Hashem 13.8 billion years ago
King of Madness in the Right Wing Discussion Thread. Winner of 2016 Posters Award for Insanity. Please be aware my posts in NSG, and P2TM are separate.

User avatar
Nanatsu no Tsuki
Post-Apocalypse Survivor
 
Posts: 203957
Founded: Feb 10, 2008
Inoffensive Centrist Democracy

Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Thu Sep 25, 2014 2:50 pm

And on to the theist cycle! o/
Slava Ukraini
Also: THERNSY!!
Your story isn't over;֍Help save transgender people's lives֍Help for feral cats
Cat with internet access||Supposedly heartless, & a d*ck.||Is maith an t-earra an tsíocháin.||No TGs
RIP: Dyakovo & Ashmoria

User avatar
Galloism
Khan of Spam
 
Posts: 73175
Founded: Aug 20, 2005
Father Knows Best State

Postby Galloism » Thu Sep 25, 2014 2:50 pm

Not sure why you guys keep debating my existence.

I'm right fucking here.
Venicilian: wow. Jesus hung around with everyone. boys, girls, rich, poor(mostly), sick, healthy, etc. in fact, i bet he even went up to gay people and tried to heal them so they would be straight.
The Parkus Empire: Being serious on NSG is like wearing a suit to a nude beach.
New Kereptica: Since power is changed energy over time, an increase in power would mean, in this case, an increase in energy. As energy is equivalent to mass and the density of the government is static, the volume of the government must increase.


User avatar
Furry Alairia and Algeria
Postmaster of the Fleet
 
Posts: 21009
Founded: Apr 05, 2014
Ex-Nation

Postby Furry Alairia and Algeria » Thu Sep 25, 2014 2:51 pm

What does one lose from the disprove of god and what does one gain from the proof of god are the real questions.
In memory of Dyakovo - may he never be forgotten - Дьяковожс ученик


I do not reply to telegrams, unless you are someone I know.

User avatar
Benuty
Post Czar
 
Posts: 37335
Founded: Jan 21, 2013
Corrupt Dictatorship

Postby Benuty » Thu Sep 25, 2014 2:51 pm

Galloism wrote:Not sure why you guys keep debating my existence.

I'm right fucking here.

Nonsense, the Onion told me so.
Last edited by Hashem 13.8 billion years ago
King of Madness in the Right Wing Discussion Thread. Winner of 2016 Posters Award for Insanity. Please be aware my posts in NSG, and P2TM are separate.

User avatar
Nord Amour Space Station
Political Columnist
 
Posts: 3
Founded: Aug 29, 2014
Ex-Nation

Postby Nord Amour Space Station » Thu Sep 25, 2014 2:51 pm

A few points:

- The classic neckbeard response, which is actually true from a philosophical standing, is that atheists are not trying to "disprove" God because it is impossible to prove a negative.

- "Atheist" is not capitalized unless used at the beginning of a sentence.

- Religious organizations do much good, that is correct. But they also do much harm, such as discriminating against homosexuals or hiding scandalous preachers. Religion can be a force for good but it is not inherently so.

- Reason dictates that evidence must be provided for something to be considered factual. While all the religious have their rights, atheists are entirely reasonable to oppose religion when it attempts to influence schools or public legislature.

- There is much to gain from removing religion from the state.

User avatar
Shaggai
Powerbroker
 
Posts: 9342
Founded: Mar 27, 2013
Ex-Nation

Postby Shaggai » Thu Sep 25, 2014 2:52 pm

Galloism wrote:Not sure why you guys keep debating my existence.

I'm right fucking here.

Wait, I thought that The Nuclear Fist was Azathoth. Now you're Azathoth too?
piss

User avatar
Benuty
Post Czar
 
Posts: 37335
Founded: Jan 21, 2013
Corrupt Dictatorship

Postby Benuty » Thu Sep 25, 2014 2:52 pm

Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:And on to the theist cycle! o/

What no Deist cycle?
:P.
Last edited by Hashem 13.8 billion years ago
King of Madness in the Right Wing Discussion Thread. Winner of 2016 Posters Award for Insanity. Please be aware my posts in NSG, and P2TM are separate.

User avatar
Nanatsu no Tsuki
Post-Apocalypse Survivor
 
Posts: 203957
Founded: Feb 10, 2008
Inoffensive Centrist Democracy

Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Thu Sep 25, 2014 2:52 pm

Galloism wrote:Not sure why you guys keep debating my existence.

I'm right fucking here.


Proof!
Slava Ukraini
Also: THERNSY!!
Your story isn't over;֍Help save transgender people's lives֍Help for feral cats
Cat with internet access||Supposedly heartless, & a d*ck.||Is maith an t-earra an tsíocháin.||No TGs
RIP: Dyakovo & Ashmoria

User avatar
Galloism
Khan of Spam
 
Posts: 73175
Founded: Aug 20, 2005
Father Knows Best State

Postby Galloism » Thu Sep 25, 2014 2:52 pm

Shaggai wrote:
Galloism wrote:Not sure why you guys keep debating my existence.

I'm right fucking here.

Wait, I thought that The Nuclear Fist was Azathoth. Now you're Azathoth too?

Azathoth is like a junior god.

He's got his learner's permit for godship.
Venicilian: wow. Jesus hung around with everyone. boys, girls, rich, poor(mostly), sick, healthy, etc. in fact, i bet he even went up to gay people and tried to heal them so they would be straight.
The Parkus Empire: Being serious on NSG is like wearing a suit to a nude beach.
New Kereptica: Since power is changed energy over time, an increase in power would mean, in this case, an increase in energy. As energy is equivalent to mass and the density of the government is static, the volume of the government must increase.


User avatar
Nanatsu no Tsuki
Post-Apocalypse Survivor
 
Posts: 203957
Founded: Feb 10, 2008
Inoffensive Centrist Democracy

Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Thu Sep 25, 2014 2:53 pm

Benuty wrote:
Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:And on to the theist cycle! o/

What no Deist cycle?
:P.


Can it ride?
Slava Ukraini
Also: THERNSY!!
Your story isn't over;֍Help save transgender people's lives֍Help for feral cats
Cat with internet access||Supposedly heartless, & a d*ck.||Is maith an t-earra an tsíocháin.||No TGs
RIP: Dyakovo & Ashmoria

User avatar
Benuty
Post Czar
 
Posts: 37335
Founded: Jan 21, 2013
Corrupt Dictatorship

Postby Benuty » Thu Sep 25, 2014 2:53 pm

Nord Amour Space Station wrote:A few points:

- The classic neckbeard response, which is actually true from a philosophical standing, is that atheists are not trying to "disprove" God because it is impossible to prove a negative.

- "Atheist" is not capitalized unless used at the beginning of a sentence.

- Religious organizations do much good, that is correct. But they also do much harm, such as discriminating against homosexuals or hiding scandalous preachers. Religion can be a force for good but it is not inherently so.

- Reason dictates that evidence must be provided for something to be considered factual. While all the religious have their rights, atheists are entirely reasonable to oppose religion when it attempts to influence schools or public legislature.

- There is much to gain from removing religion from the state.


Religion has no reason to recognize the state since the latter is illegitimate. The government, and religion have to atleast be secular for the sake of the equality of all.
Last edited by Hashem 13.8 billion years ago
King of Madness in the Right Wing Discussion Thread. Winner of 2016 Posters Award for Insanity. Please be aware my posts in NSG, and P2TM are separate.

User avatar
Laerod
Postmaster of the Fleet
 
Posts: 26183
Founded: Jul 17, 2004
Iron Fist Socialists

Postby Laerod » Thu Sep 25, 2014 2:53 pm

Deltaz wrote:What do Atheist stand to gain from disproving God?

Trick questions.

User avatar
Furry Alairia and Algeria
Postmaster of the Fleet
 
Posts: 21009
Founded: Apr 05, 2014
Ex-Nation

Postby Furry Alairia and Algeria » Thu Sep 25, 2014 2:53 pm

Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
Galloism wrote:Not sure why you guys keep debating my existence.

I'm right fucking here.


Proof!

Nana...
Don't disprove our religion what was made in TET...
Leaderess Nanatsu
In memory of Dyakovo - may he never be forgotten - Дьяковожс ученик


I do not reply to telegrams, unless you are someone I know.

User avatar
Nanatsu no Tsuki
Post-Apocalypse Survivor
 
Posts: 203957
Founded: Feb 10, 2008
Inoffensive Centrist Democracy

Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Thu Sep 25, 2014 2:55 pm

Furry Alairia and Algeria wrote:
Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
Proof!

Nana...
Don't disprove our religion what was made in TET...
Leaderess Nanatsu


I exist too, Algy.

But anyway, what is the gain? Perhaps knowledge. Or putting to rest a theory once and for all. What do we gain from debating, really? Think on it, OP.
Slava Ukraini
Also: THERNSY!!
Your story isn't over;֍Help save transgender people's lives֍Help for feral cats
Cat with internet access||Supposedly heartless, & a d*ck.||Is maith an t-earra an tsíocháin.||No TGs
RIP: Dyakovo & Ashmoria

User avatar
Eternian Union
Lobbyist
 
Posts: 14
Founded: Sep 17, 2014
Ex-Nation

Postby Eternian Union » Thu Sep 25, 2014 2:56 pm

As a Atheist I can say we gain nothing we just believe that god is fake because the science said hes not.

User avatar
Galloism
Khan of Spam
 
Posts: 73175
Founded: Aug 20, 2005
Father Knows Best State

Postby Galloism » Thu Sep 25, 2014 2:57 pm

Eternian Union wrote:As a Atheist I can say we gain nothing we just believe that god is fake because the science said hes not.

Actually, science doesn't address God at all.

Untestable hypotheses are not the realm of science.
Venicilian: wow. Jesus hung around with everyone. boys, girls, rich, poor(mostly), sick, healthy, etc. in fact, i bet he even went up to gay people and tried to heal them so they would be straight.
The Parkus Empire: Being serious on NSG is like wearing a suit to a nude beach.
New Kereptica: Since power is changed energy over time, an increase in power would mean, in this case, an increase in energy. As energy is equivalent to mass and the density of the government is static, the volume of the government must increase.


User avatar
Benuty
Post Czar
 
Posts: 37335
Founded: Jan 21, 2013
Corrupt Dictatorship

Postby Benuty » Thu Sep 25, 2014 2:58 pm

Eternian Union wrote:As a Atheist I can say we gain nothing we just believe that god is fake because the science said hes not.

Science is apatheistic nothing more.
Last edited by Hashem 13.8 billion years ago
King of Madness in the Right Wing Discussion Thread. Winner of 2016 Posters Award for Insanity. Please be aware my posts in NSG, and P2TM are separate.

User avatar
Furry Alairia and Algeria
Postmaster of the Fleet
 
Posts: 21009
Founded: Apr 05, 2014
Ex-Nation

Postby Furry Alairia and Algeria » Thu Sep 25, 2014 2:58 pm

What we get is assurance that some of us will go to heaven and some of us will gown down there.
In memory of Dyakovo - may he never be forgotten - Дьяковожс ученик


I do not reply to telegrams, unless you are someone I know.

User avatar
The House of Xavier
Envoy
 
Posts: 311
Founded: Sep 16, 2014
Ex-Nation

Postby The House of Xavier » Thu Sep 25, 2014 2:58 pm

We get to go 'haha' as we point our index and middle finger at you.
Last edited by The House of Xavier on Thu Sep 25, 2014 2:59 pm, edited 1 time in total.

User avatar
Shaggai
Powerbroker
 
Posts: 9342
Founded: Mar 27, 2013
Ex-Nation

Postby Shaggai » Thu Sep 25, 2014 2:59 pm

Galloism wrote:
Shaggai wrote:Wait, I thought that The Nuclear Fist was Azathoth. Now you're Azathoth too?

Azathoth is like a junior god.

He's got his learner's permit for godship.

Are we talking about the same Azathoth? I'm talking about the ultimate mindless Chaos which generates all of existence within Itself and which is the ultimate truth of reality. Perhaps you're thinking about something else?
piss

User avatar
Mirchusko
Attaché
 
Posts: 89
Founded: Jan 04, 2013
Ex-Nation

Postby Mirchusko » Thu Sep 25, 2014 2:59 pm

I usually don't bring the topic up. When I end up arguing about god, it's usually because I've been arguing with someone about a different topic, and they make an appeal to their religion. I'm not really trying to gain anything - someone has simply said something I disagree with and I'm going to argue with them over it. It'd be the same if you told me the sky is red.

User avatar
Eternian Union
Lobbyist
 
Posts: 14
Founded: Sep 17, 2014
Ex-Nation

Postby Eternian Union » Thu Sep 25, 2014 2:59 pm

Also it fun to piss off Christians : D
Last edited by Eternian Union on Thu Sep 25, 2014 3:00 pm, edited 1 time in total.

Next

Advertisement

Remove ads

Return to General

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: Austria-Bohemia-Hungary, Big Eyed Animation, East Leaf Republic, Shrillland, Stratonesia, Tungstan, Turenia, Unmet Player

Advertisement

Remove ads