Should Private Schools Share Facilities With State Schools?

[The UK in Exile]

I frequently used to offer lifts to work colleagues who needed one to get home, or to save them a long wait at a bus stop at night. I was glad to do it too, because I knew that if they couldn't get a lift, It'd mean more work for me in the long run.

However, it should be noted that you did this voluntarily. I don't think anyone here disagrees with the idea that the private school shouldn't be able to if they want to. The question is, should they be forced to.

no. the Question is should they share? The fact that people have conflated sharing with being forced to speaks volumes.

[Mostrov]

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[Death Metal]

no. the Question is should they share? The fact that people have conflated sharing with being forced to speaks volumes.

Well to be fair I interpreted the question as "should they be obligated to".

Basically, it comes down to a matter of their own choice. If they do, great!

If they don't, then the question then becomes does the social benefit outweigh the private school's property rights. I feel that's the thing that most here myself included (and I am very pro-public education), find disagreeable.

[Fireye]

Independent Schools should not be expected to share privately owned property with State Schools.
One wouldn't share one's car or house with strangers just because they cannot afford one.

I frequently used to offer lifts to work colleagues who needed one to get home, or to save them a long wait at a bus stop at night. I was glad to do it too, because I knew that if they couldn't get a lift, It'd mean more work for me in the long run.

I wouldn't consider my colleagues to be strangers.

[The Reformed States of America]

In my opinion, Private/Independent Schools should not be expected to share their facilities with State Schools. The swimming pools, sports studios and so on have been paid for by the parents of the students of the Private School, and therefore those who did not pay for them shouldn't expect to be given an equal share. In life, when one pays for something, one doesn't expect it to be used by somebody else just because they do not have it.

This.

[Death Metal]

Hm. Interesting proposal.

While I agree with the theory, in practice this might not be best way to go, at least in the United States, as thanks to NCLB the schools that need those facilities the most would be the ones who could least afford them.

Excellent. They will have to carefully consider sharing any facilities. As I said in my first post this will discourage wasteful investment.

I think you misunderstand. NCLB is about public funding; it's prioritized by school performance in standardized tests. The problem being that this means struggling schools struggle more because they have less of a budget to afford better teachers. So for those struggling schools, paying to borrow better facilities would probably be out of the question.

[The UK in Exile]

no. the Question is should they share? The fact that people have conflated sharing with being forced to speaks volumes.

Well to be fair I interpreted the question as "should they be obligated to".

Basically, it comes down to a matter of their own choice. If they do, great!

If they don't, then the question then becomes does the social benefit outweigh the private school's property rights. I feel that's the thing that most in the OP, myself included (and I am very pro-public education), find disagreeable.

Well its important to remember that many private schools are nominally charitable institutions for the purposes of education. They are already expected to deliver some public benefit in return for that status.

[The UK in Exile]

I frequently used to offer lifts to work colleagues who needed one to get home, or to save them a long wait at a bus stop at night. I was glad to do it too, because I knew that if they couldn't get a lift, It'd mean more work for me in the long run.

I wouldn't consider my colleagues to be strangers.

I would, we work together but I don't need to know about they're personal and social lives. Just because I know your name and can make my way to your adress, doesn't mean I know you and it certainly doesn't mean you know me. besides, everyone is stranger untill you get to know them. but off topic.

[Death Metal]

Well its important to remember that many private schools are nominally charitable institutions for the purposes of education. They are already expected to deliver some public benefit in return for that status.

Good point. But they usually do offer public benefit in the form of scholarship programs.

[Alexanda]

I think student exchanges (when children from State Schools visit private ones,) are acceptable, but only if the latter agrees.

[Soselo]

Ferrer schools are vastly preferable to both private and state schools, any attendees of these nefarious duos are victims. Either of class, or ignorance.

[The UK in Exile]

Well its important to remember that many private schools are nominally charitable institutions for the purposes of education. They are already expected to deliver some public benefit in return for that status.

Good point. But they usually do offer public benefit in the form of scholarship programs.

I imagine sharing facilities would do more good than cherry-picking the best and brightest from the state system, but I'd be happy to settle on the fact that private schools shouldn't be compelled to share until they've refused to do in the face of a highly sucessful state-private sharing scheme.

[Fireye]

I wouldn't consider my colleagues to be strangers.

I would, we work together but I don't need to know about they're personal and social lives. Just because I know your name and can make my way to your adress, doesn't mean I know you and it certainly doesn't mean you know me. besides, everyone is stranger untill you get to know them. but off topic.

*raises eyebrow*

so you never talk to your colleagues except in relation to business speak?

What a boring way to go through the workday.

Edit: I mean, after a couple of days, anyone I work with (directly, it's a big organization) stops being a stranger to me. They might not be a FRIEND, but they're certainly not a stranger.

[Rifty]

People pay a lot of money to attend private schools (WESLEY COLLEGE REPRESENT!) so I don't see why they should have to share. If we are putting the money into maintaining these facilities and you are not...why should we let you use them? My issue is that you don't pay for it to be maintained.

The benefit is having local teams who are able to compete at the same standard offering more opportunities for competitive inter-school sport.

Too bad - people shouldn't get off not paying because of equity~

[The UK in Exile]

I would, we work together but I don't need to know about they're personal and social lives. Just because I know your name and can make my way to your adress, doesn't mean I know you and it certainly doesn't mean you know me. besides, everyone is stranger untill you get to know them. but off topic.

*raises eyebrow*

so you never talk to your colleagues except in relation to business speak?

What a boring way to go through the workday.

I would do to some, It just doesn't follow that by definition a colleague is a friend or that only those colleagues who were my friends were given lifts. At that point in time I was a delivery driver, so I was off on my own most of the time anyway. besides most people are dull anyway.

[Greater-London]

Nor indeed would it make sense for every state school to have excellent facilities when they could be shared by a cluster of schools.

This also. Ideally you would have choice in the type of school parents and children wanted. Lots of different small schools could then clump together and share facilities that they wouldn't be able to afford on there own.

[Fireye]

*raises eyebrow*

so you never talk to your colleagues except in relation to business speak?

What a boring way to go through the workday.

I would do to some, It just doesn't follow that by definition a colleague is a friend or that only those colleagues who were my friends were given lifts. At that point in time I was a delivery driver, so I was off on my own most of the time anyway. besides most people are dull anyway.

to clarify my above edit: Someone can easily be not a stranger and not a friend at the same time.

[The UK in Exile]

The benefit is having local teams who are able to compete at the same standard offering more opportunities for competitive inter-school sport.

Too bad - people shouldn't get off not paying because of equity~

The private school benefits by having state schools who it is able to compete against. both the private kids and the state kids get more competitive sport. everybody wins.

[The UK in Exile]

I would do to some, It just doesn't follow that by definition a colleague is a friend or that only those colleagues who were my friends were given lifts. At that point in time I was a delivery driver, so I was off on my own most of the time anyway. besides most people are dull anyway.

to clarify my above edit: Someone can easily be not a stranger and not a friend at the same time.

well perhaps it was a shit metaphor for him to use then.

[Alexanda]

Nor indeed would it make sense for every state school to have excellent facilities when they could be shared by a cluster of schools.

This also. Ideally you would have choice in the type of school parents and children wanted. Lots of different small schools could then clump together and share facilities that they wouldn't be able to afford on there own.

If all State Schools in one area donated some money to create a sports centers or something along those lines, then they could share.

[Alexanda]

Nor indeed would it make sense for every state school to have excellent facilities when they could be shared by a cluster of schools.

This also. Ideally you would have choice in the type of school parents and children wanted. Lots of different small schools could then clump together and share facilities that they wouldn't be able to afford on there own.

If all State Schools in one area donated some money to create a sports centers or something along those lines, then they could share.

[Fireye]

to clarify my above edit: Someone can easily be not a stranger and not a friend at the same time.

well perhaps it was a shit metaphor for him to use then.

It was a great metaphor.

You got caught up in assuming that someone was either a stranger or a friend, with no middle ground in between.

[The UK in Exile]

This also. Ideally you would have choice in the type of school parents and children wanted. Lots of different small schools could then clump together and share facilities that they wouldn't be able to afford on there own.

If all State Schools in one area donated some money to create a sports centers or something along those lines, then they could share.

They do. however why create one when the private school up the road has excellent facilities, club together & pay towards maintainance costs, have an arrangement to share access, have teaching and coaching staff teach at both schools, run after school clubs jointly. allow mixed school and state/private teams if its needed (say, you need 11 people to form a team, the private school only has 6 people who want to do it, pick out 5 state school students.) set up a local league.

[Grinning Dragon]

I would do to some, It just doesn't follow that by definition a colleague is a friend or that only those colleagues who were my friends were given lifts. At that point in time I was a delivery driver, so I was off on my own most of the time anyway. besides most people are dull anyway.

to clarify my above edit: Someone can easily be not a stranger and not a friend at the same time.

I think the word for this would be an acquaintance ?

[Greater-London]

If all State Schools in one area donated some money to create a sports centers or something along those lines, then they could share.

They wouldn't need to do that they could just put part of there budget aside to run sports center/it suite/ library ETC. My school's field for P.E. was absolute crap as was the one at our neighboring school. Ideally we would have out our P.E budgets together and then shared facilities we would never have been able to afford otherwise. It needn't require a donation it could be a running thing.