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If the USA had to be renamed...

Postby Terra Sector Union » Fri Sep 19, 2014 8:03 am

Calling citizens or residents of the United States of America as "Americans" has often caused a little confusion because of other nations that exist in the North and South American continents. For example, a nation in Europe would not refer to themselves as European in a nationally exclusive demonym as people in the USA do with American.

So lets say the country will want to rename itself to give people a new name. "United Statian" isn't gonna work.

I think renaming the country Yankeeland would be an interesting altrrnative. Americans are often referred as Yankee or Yank overseas so it could work. However the majority of the South would object to be under such a name so it could be a problem. Another alternative name could be Washingtonia to honor George Washington, 1st President.
So what do you think the USA should be called after all this time? If it should stay the same, explain why.
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Postby Farnhamia » Fri Sep 19, 2014 8:08 am

Terra Sector Union wrote:Calling citizens or residents of the United States of America as "Americans" has often caused a little confusion because of other nations that exist in the North and South American continents. For example, a nation in Europe would not refer to themselves as European in a nationally exclusive demonym as people in the USA do with American.

So lets say the country will want to rename itself to give people a new name. "United Statian" isn't gonna work.

I think renaming the country Yankeeland would be an interesting altrrnative. Americans are often referred as Yankee or Yank overseas so it could work. However the majority of the South would object to be under such a name so it could be a problem. Another alternative name could be Washingtonia to honor George Washington, 1st President.
So what do you think the USA should be called after all this time? If it should stay the same, explain why.

The only nation in either North or South America that uses "American" as its demonym is the United States. There really is no confusion. I can't really see why this would be happening, even as a hypothetical, so I have no alternates to your two less than satisfactory options.
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Postby Vladovaskia » Fri Sep 19, 2014 8:11 am

You're not American, are you? Neither of those sound like pleasing alternatives. And I am from the South, and I feel even Northerners would oppose "Yankeeland." I feel Columbus could've worked, but with Colombia, it'd be a bit confusing. We already have several cities named Columbus, anyways, so it's not a totally stupid name. Other than that, I really don't see the problem with "American," because I've never encountered someone who honestly uses the term "Americas," or any of that in any situation other than a historical context.
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Postby Zunkwentania » Fri Sep 19, 2014 8:13 am

Vladovaskia wrote:You're not American, are you? Neither of those sound like pleasing alternatives. And I am from the South, and I feel even Northerners would oppose "Yankeeland." I feel Columbus could've worked, but with Colombia, it'd be a bit confusing. We already have several cities named Columbus, anyways, so it's not a totally stupid name. Other than that, I really don't see the problem with "American," because I've never encountered someone who honestly uses the term "Americas," or any of that in any situation other than a historical context.

Yeah. Yankeeland sounds like a theme park.

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Postby Lemanrussland » Fri Sep 19, 2014 8:13 am

I don't know. I always thought Columbia would be cool, but now that there's "Colombia" it wouldn't work. Names derived from "Liber" or "Libertas" would probably not work either. Liberia is already taken.

I don't think Yankeeland would be appropriate. Not all Americans identify as Yankees (which really means Northerner).

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Postby Laerod » Fri Sep 19, 2014 8:14 am

Terra Sector Union wrote:So lets say the country will want to rename itself to give people a new name. "United Statian" isn't gonna work.

Just go with "U.S. citizen".

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Postby Imeriand » Fri Sep 19, 2014 8:15 am

You'll piss of the south again if you rename America to Yankeeland, they're to fat to fight another civil war but it still would be unfair to them.
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Postby Centenniality » Fri Sep 19, 2014 8:16 am

I've always found this to be the most rediculous thing. its our demonym, no one else uses it. Very rarely will people identify themselves as their continent of origin rather than their country of origin. Besides, last I checked, North and South America are separate and are known as the AmericaSSSSSS. So one should say they're from the Americas or says they're North or South American at most. Simple as that.
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Postby Dooom35796821595 » Fri Sep 19, 2014 8:18 am

But every other country has a name, there is no United States of South America, or even a South America. Brazil has Brazilians, Chile has Chileans, Columbia have drugs :p

Besides there have to be some benefits to being the only global superpower.
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Postby Centenniality » Fri Sep 19, 2014 8:18 am

Dooom35796821595 wrote:But every other country has a name, there is no United States of South America, or even a South America. Brazil has Brazilians, Chile has Chileans, Columbia have drugs :p

Besides there have to be some benefits to being the only global superpower.


True! :clap:
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Postby National Socialist Korea » Fri Sep 19, 2014 8:18 am

Imeriand wrote:You'll piss of the south again if you rename America to Yankeeland, they're to fat to fight another civil war but it still would be unfair to them.

What? Yankeeland and Dixieland - either a theme park or something straight out of Walt Disney.

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Postby Terra Sector Union » Fri Sep 19, 2014 8:20 am

Vladovaskia wrote:You're not American, are you? Neither of those sound like pleasing alternatives. And I am from the South, and I feel even Northerners would oppose "Yankeeland." I feel Columbus could've worked, but with Colombia, it'd be a bit confusing. We already have several cities named Columbus, anyways, so it's not a totally stupid name. Other than that, I really don't see the problem with "American," because I've never encountered someone who honestly uses the term "Americas," or any of that in any situation other than a historical context.

I'm nationally and culturally American. In the OP I spelled honour as honor. Thought that might give you a hint. Besides, Why Columbia? Because of Christopher Columbus? He had nothing to do with the founding of the USA except for causing a chain of events that led to colonization. But if you suggested Columbia because of D.C. , I can see why.
For so long, Mankind has been plagued by division. Division by culture, creed, skin color, religion and nationality. These very divisions have been the cause of most human conflicts. But in the age of globalism, we can finally have that chance to implement a world government where all human beings are seen as equals. Isn't that what everyone wants? World peace? I do. You should support that too. It may not end all conflicts, but the reductions of Man on Man violence will be at an all time low when the entire planet gets administered by one governing body.


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Postby Imeriand » Fri Sep 19, 2014 8:20 am

National Socialist Korea wrote:
Imeriand wrote:You'll piss of the south again if you rename America to Yankeeland, they're to fat to fight another civil war but it still would be unfair to them.

What? Yankeeland and Dixieland - either a theme park or something straight out of Walt Disney.
Maybe rename it to the United Kingdoms of Yankeeland and Dixieland.
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Postby National Socialist Korea » Fri Sep 19, 2014 8:21 am

Imeriand wrote:
National Socialist Korea wrote:What? Yankeeland and Dixieland - either a theme park or something straight out of Walt Disney.
Maybe rename it to the United Republic of Yankeeland and Dixieland.

So, essentially, America will turn into a Walt Disney theme park.

I like this idea. :clap:

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Postby Terra Sector Union » Fri Sep 19, 2014 8:22 am

Imeriand wrote:
National Socialist Korea wrote:What? Yankeeland and Dixieland - either a theme park or something straight out of Walt Disney.
Maybe rename it to the United Republic of Yankeeland and Dixieland.

Just call them the Yankadixians.
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Postby Mandicoria » Fri Sep 19, 2014 8:23 am

I would rename it to Columbia, if it had to be renamed.
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Postby The IASM » Fri Sep 19, 2014 8:23 am

This problem could he solved by annexing the rest of the Americas.
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Postby National Socialist Korea » Fri Sep 19, 2014 8:23 am

Terra Sector Union wrote:
Imeriand wrote: Maybe rename it to the United Republic of Yankeeland and Dixieland.

Just call them the Yankadixians.

Yank-a-Dick?

No thanks. :p

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Postby Centenniality » Fri Sep 19, 2014 8:24 am

Terra Sector Union wrote:
Imeriand wrote: Maybe rename it to the United Republic of Yankeeland and Dixieland.

Just call them the Yankadixians.


If you think about it, thats a lot worse than you might think it is.

Unless that was intended. If so, then 8)
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Postby Imeriand » Fri Sep 19, 2014 8:24 am

The IASM wrote:This problem could he solved by annexing the rest of the Americas.
That's the spirit boy!

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Postby Lemanrussland » Fri Sep 19, 2014 8:25 am

Terra Sector Union wrote:
Vladovaskia wrote:You're not American, are you? Neither of those sound like pleasing alternatives. And I am from the South, and I feel even Northerners would oppose "Yankeeland." I feel Columbus could've worked, but with Colombia, it'd be a bit confusing. We already have several cities named Columbus, anyways, so it's not a totally stupid name. Other than that, I really don't see the problem with "American," because I've never encountered someone who honestly uses the term "Americas," or any of that in any situation other than a historical context.

I'm nationally and culturally American. In the OP I spelled honour as honor. Thought that might give you a hint. Besides, Why Columbia? Because of Christopher Columbus? He had nothing to do with the founding of the USA except for causing a chain of events that led to colonization. But if you suggested Columbia because of D.C. , I can see why.

Columbia (meaning "the land of Columbus") is a slightly outdated national personification of the US, which usually takes the form of a female. The female thing comes from Libertas, the Roman goddess of liberty, who also provides inspiration to Marianne and to a lesser extent Britannia, the personifications of France and Britain respectively.
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Postby National Socialist Korea » Fri Sep 19, 2014 8:25 am

Imeriand wrote:
The IASM wrote:This problem could he solved by annexing the rest of the Americas.
That's the spirit boy!

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Postby Farnhamia » Fri Sep 19, 2014 8:26 am

Terra Sector Union wrote:
Vladovaskia wrote:You're not American, are you? Neither of those sound like pleasing alternatives. And I am from the South, and I feel even Northerners would oppose "Yankeeland." I feel Columbus could've worked, but with Colombia, it'd be a bit confusing. We already have several cities named Columbus, anyways, so it's not a totally stupid name. Other than that, I really don't see the problem with "American," because I've never encountered someone who honestly uses the term "Americas," or any of that in any situation other than a historical context.

I'm nationally and culturally American. In the OP I spelled honour as honor. Thought that might give you a hint. Besides, Why Columbia? Because of Christopher Columbus? He had nothing to do with the founding of the USA except for causing a chain of events that led to colonization. But if you suggested Columbia because of D.C. , I can see why.

"Columbia" has a long history of association first with the British colonies in North America and the with the United States.
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Postby Marionbury » Fri Sep 19, 2014 8:26 am

Terra Sector Union wrote:Calling citizens or residents of the United States of America as "Americans" has often caused a little confusion because of other nations that exist in the North and South American continents. For example, a nation in Europe would not refer to themselves as European in a nationally exclusive demonym as people in the USA do with American.

True, but this really only applies when speaking certain languages, like Spanish and Portuguese, where the term Americano does have connotations of referring to people from anywhere in the Americas. However, in English it isn't really a problem. The status quo have now works well. I'm perfectly happy to refer to myself as estadounidense (which closely translates to "United Statian") when speaking in Spanish, but in English, it's pointless.
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Postby Czechanada » Fri Sep 19, 2014 8:26 am

The continent of America is named after a non-American, Amerigo Vespucci.

Thus, America should be renamed after an American.

I nominate it being named after George Orwell, Ernest Hemingway, C. Wright Mills, Robert Merton, or Hunter S. Thompson.
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