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by Neo Industrium » Thu Sep 11, 2014 7:58 pm
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by Atramentar » Thu Sep 11, 2014 8:10 pm
Neo Industrium wrote:If you aren't from British Columbia (the place that grows all of the weed that you use), we're dealing with a 3 month long teacher strike.
This has brought up an interesting question for residents of BC: Is Teaching an Essential Service? Personally, I don't think so. Governments usually use essential services legislation to protect public safety. Teaching doesn't protect public safety.
This has also brought up the question as to whether our right to education is being violated through the teacher strike. Personally, I don't think so. Sure, you can reference "the right to education" in countless agreements that Canada has signed, but we also have the right to unionize and join trade unions. I don't think that the right to education is more important than fighting for favourable working conditions.
So NSG. Should teaching be designated as an essential service? Are students' rights being violated when teachers strike? What constitutes an essential service and should that definition be changed? Are unions even necessary in today's developed nations? Are teachers evil, slimeful human beings that need to be purged off the earth?
These are non-rhetorical questions. Answer below.
EDIT: Should we eliminate government subsidies for private schools?
by Sociobiology » Thu Sep 11, 2014 8:16 pm
by The Two Jerseys » Thu Sep 11, 2014 8:30 pm
by Zoboyizakoplayoklot » Thu Sep 11, 2014 10:10 pm
KAS SRD wrote:They should be given more money and respected more, but not strike for more than a week at a time every year or so. Education is completely essential and I'm surprised at the number of people who think it isn't.
by Baltenstein » Thu Sep 11, 2014 10:27 pm
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by Imperializt Russia » Fri Sep 12, 2014 12:56 am
Exxosia wrote:Are students' rights being violated when teachers strike?
If they are attending a private school, yes, as they are being directly denied a service paid for directly. Public schools are paid for through a convoluted series of things and by the time the money gets to the student, you can't discern what is being violated.
Exxosia wrote:What constitutes an essential service and should that definition be changed?
A service mandatory to sustaining the biological functions of life.
Exxosia wrote:Are unions even necessary in today's developed nations?
The existence of unions outside small operations (i.e. a single company, a single factory, or a single school district) means a nation is not developed. Unions above a local scale are a side-effect of massive problems in a society and indicative of underlying mechanisms not being addressed.
Exxosia wrote:Are teachers evil, slimeful human beings that need to be purged off the earth?
In my experience, most are. But that has more to do with that most people are horrible and thus most teachers are horrible in about the same ratio.
Rebellious Fishermen wrote:Should teachers be allowed to strike?
Yes.
EDIT: Should we eliminate government subsidies for private schools?
On principle yes, but I don't know what kind of effect it would have on our education system. I'd need some kind of data first.
Also,Lamadia wrote:dangerous socialist attitude
Imperializt Russia wrote:I'm English, you tit.
by Chestaan » Fri Sep 12, 2014 1:58 am
by Vozt Yurkova » Fri Sep 12, 2014 2:08 am
by Chestaan » Fri Sep 12, 2014 2:10 am
Vozt Yurkova wrote:Telling a group if people they're not allowed to strike would just make strike action more effective. Let's say teachers are outlawed from striking - but they just decide to do it anyway. What are you going to do, cart them off to jail and leave your schools without staff?
by Vistulange » Fri Sep 12, 2014 2:15 am
by Imperializt Russia » Fri Sep 12, 2014 2:23 am
Chestaan wrote:Vozt Yurkova wrote:Telling a group if people they're not allowed to strike would just make strike action more effective. Let's say teachers are outlawed from striking - but they just decide to do it anyway. What are you going to do, cart them off to jail and leave your schools without staff?
Police strikes are banned, but who's going to stop them?
Also,Lamadia wrote:dangerous socialist attitude
Imperializt Russia wrote:I'm English, you tit.
by Vozt Yurkova » Fri Sep 12, 2014 2:43 am
Chestaan wrote:Vozt Yurkova wrote:Telling a group if people they're not allowed to strike would just make strike action more effective. Let's say teachers are outlawed from striking - but they just decide to do it anyway. What are you going to do, cart them off to jail and leave your schools without staff?
Police strikes are banned, but who's going to stop them?
by Briwen » Fri Sep 12, 2014 2:48 am
Aggicificicerous wrote:How about instead of debating whether or not teachers should be allowed to strike, we ask if the government should be allowed to repeatedly violate the teachers' constitutional rights and then deliberately stall negotiations out in order to destroy the union. That's the sort of shit that needs to be addressed, not whether or not workers have the right to protest unfair conditions.
by Chestaan » Fri Sep 12, 2014 2:48 am
Vozt Yurkova wrote:Chestaan wrote:
Police strikes are banned, but who's going to stop them?
Well yeah, basically. I can see why coppers wouldn't be too enthusiastic about striking though. Can you imagine the backlog of shit that would build up with nobody around to deter crime and arrest perps? Think of the paperwork. I guess maybe like one or two officers feel a sense of duty toward protecting the public too so there's that.
by Atramentar » Fri Sep 12, 2014 3:21 am
Vozt Yurkova wrote:Chestaan wrote:
Police strikes are banned, but who's going to stop them?
Well yeah, basically. I can see why coppers wouldn't be too enthusiastic about striking though. Can you imagine the backlog of shit that would build up with nobody around to deter crime and arrest perps? Think of the paperwork. I guess maybe like one or two officers feel a sense of duty toward protecting the public too so there's that.
by Planeia » Fri Sep 12, 2014 3:28 am
Aredshan wrote:In all seriousness, I'm undecided about the matter myself. On the one hand, month-long strikes can impair education but on the other hand, teacher wages are usually unfairly low.
by Cymrea » Fri Sep 12, 2014 3:29 am
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