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Postby United Marxist Nations » Thu Sep 11, 2014 5:52 pm

Of course, it allows teachers to protest low pay and problems in the education system.
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Postby Dazchan » Thu Sep 11, 2014 6:02 pm

Apparatchikstan wrote:I don't know how it works in Canada, but I'm resentful of the public service unions of the US. It's one thing for private employees to collective bargain with private employers, but with public service, the employer never gets a seat at the table.

So if the union isn't negotiating with the employer, who are they negotiating with? :eyebrow:
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Postby Jumalariik » Thu Sep 11, 2014 6:04 pm

Are teachers workers?
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Postby Rabotnikisoyedinennyye » Thu Sep 11, 2014 6:04 pm

Maybe, but what's going on here in BC is batshit crazy.
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Postby Exxosia » Thu Sep 11, 2014 6:12 pm

Should teaching be designated as an essential service?
No.
Are students' rights being violated when teachers strike?
If they are attending a private school, yes, as they are being directly denied a service paid for directly. Public schools are paid for through a convoluted series of things and by the time the money gets to the student, you can't discern what is being violated.
What constitutes an essential service and should that definition be changed?
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Are unions even necessary in today's developed nations?
The existence of unions outside small operations (i.e. a single company, a single factory, or a single school district) means a nation is not developed. Unions above a local scale are a side-effect of massive problems in a society and indicative of underlying mechanisms not being addressed.
Are teachers evil, slimeful human beings that need to be purged off the earth?
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Postby The Rich Port » Thu Sep 11, 2014 6:12 pm

One thing I can definitely say is that kids love teacher strikes. :lol:

Ah, but seriously, they should. They're arguably the most important work force in any country and deserve respect and representation.
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Postby The Two Jerseys » Thu Sep 11, 2014 6:18 pm

Vladislavija wrote:
The Two Jerseys wrote:If the government wants to make education compulsory, then public school teachers should by all means be considered essential personnel and prohibited from striking.


Would you also forbid people who wave lanterns at railway crossings when ramp is broken from striking? After all it is compulsory to stop when train is coming.

If the crossing signal is broken and the union is on strike,
  • The railroad can assign a non-striking employee to guard the crossing
  • The railroad can instruct trains to stop while the brakeman stops traffic
  • The railroad can reroute trains so they don't have to pass through that crossing
  • The police can stop traffic while the signal is out of order

If school teachers are on strike,
  • The kids don't go to school till the strike ends

There's ways to work around a railroad strike. Not so with a teachers strike.
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Postby San Lumen » Thu Sep 11, 2014 6:20 pm

Everyone should have the right to strike. In New York City railroad employees are not allowed to strike and if they do their leaders can be jailed.

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Postby Atlanticatia » Thu Sep 11, 2014 6:23 pm

Apparatchikstan wrote:
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Hmm, so people should never have striked for the 8 hour work day, pensions, safe working conditions, and all the other things we enjoy today thanks to the labor movement?

That's fine for the private sector where all parties are represented at the table, but in public service disputes, taxpayers don't get representation at the table. Its a one sided process between various consumers. That's why the US's most progressive president in history (FDR) disagreed with the idea when it was brought up during his administration. The inherent unfairness of the concept unnerved him of all people, but then JFK needed some political capital and poof, one executive order later, and private citizens got their biggest shaft since the 16th amendment.


Yes they do. Taxpayers are represented by the elected governments - especially local governments and local school boards. I think that people deserve collective bargaining rights whether they're in private sector or public sector. In fact, I'd say citizens are the most represented in public sector collective bargaining disputes. Their representatives are literally the ones negotiating with the employees. I also think that taxpayers have a right to expect fair and reasonable strikes, but there has to be a balanced relationship between the employer and the teachers.
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Postby Vladislavija » Thu Sep 11, 2014 6:51 pm

The Two Jerseys wrote:If the crossing signal is broken and the union is on strike,
  • The railroad can assign a non-striking employee to guard the crossing
  • The railroad can instruct trains to stop while the brakeman stops traffic
  • The railroad can reroute trains so they don't have to pass through that crossing
  • The police can stop traffic while the signal is out of order


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Postby KAS SRD » Thu Sep 11, 2014 6:54 pm

They should be given more money and respected more, but not strike for more than a week at a time every year or so. Education is completely essential and I'm surprised at the number of people who think it isn't.

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Postby Tsa-la-gi Nation » Thu Sep 11, 2014 6:57 pm

San Lumen wrote:Everyone should have the right to strike. In New York City railroad employees are not allowed to strike and if they do their leaders can be jailed.

That's a part of America that I absolutely hate. If the service is that essential, pay them a wage that would make them know striking would be foolish instead of restricting their basic rights as working class citizens. Collectively, little policies like this are at the base of why we have such inequality today and workers of this country should not stand for it, we have had flat wages for far, far too long.

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Postby Lavan Tiri » Thu Sep 11, 2014 6:58 pm

Nope. Public school is bad enough, having a teacher strike makes it worse.

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Postby Lavan Tiri » Thu Sep 11, 2014 6:59 pm

United Marxist Nations wrote:Of course, it allows teachers to protest low pay and problems in the education system.

Teachers On Strike is a problem.

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Postby Neo Industrium » Thu Sep 11, 2014 7:02 pm

Zoboyizakoplayoklot wrote:
Britanania wrote:My Father is a teacher, and also happens to be the Union Rep for his school.

That said, he doesn't always agree with what the Union does. There was a strike last year at a local school district, and the things the parents and teachers did were both abhorrent, so it really depends on the circumstance. It really isn't fair to students when teachers go on strike and learning doesn't get done. On the other hand, teachers should be given fair wages for their work (which often times they do not).

It's tricky, but there are times I think teachers should be able to strike, and other times, they should not. I'm not Canadian, so I'm not to keen with how Unions and stuff are done there, or why those teachers are striking.

There striking because of the current class size and composition.


Let me put class size and composition into perspective for you: During my high-school work experience placement, I worked in a grade 5/6 split class that had 30 students. Of these 30 students, NINE of them were IEP (Individual Education Plan) students with special needs. In the whole school of over 500 students, there were only 10 specialist teachers.

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Postby Kiribati-Tarawa » Thu Sep 11, 2014 7:09 pm

Atlanticatia wrote:
Kiribati-Tarawa wrote:Like any group of workers, I do believe teachers should be able to strike. That being said, I do not think that they should strike, and in fact, I am an adamant opponent of most unions, particularly teachers' unions. People need to learn to appreciate their lot, and realise that it's a lot better than what most people in the world have. If you're not ready to give up your dreams of becoming a billionaire, don't become a teacher.


Hmm, so people should never have striked for the 8 hour work day, pensions, safe working conditions, and all the other things we enjoy today thanks to the labor movement?

I'm talking about working conditions in a modern, western country. I don't challenge the good which unions have done in improving working conditions in the past, but today, it honestly seems like unions have become extremely petty and overreactive.
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Postby Ethel mermania » Thu Sep 11, 2014 7:15 pm

The Two Jerseys wrote:
Vladislavija wrote:
Would you also forbid people who wave lanterns at railway crossings when ramp is broken from striking? After all it is compulsory to stop when train is coming.

If the crossing signal is broken and the union is on strike,
  • The railroad can assign a non-striking employee to guard the crossing
  • The railroad can instruct trains to stop while the brakeman stops traffic
  • The railroad can reroute trains so they don't have to pass through that crossing
  • The police can stop traffic while the signal is out of order

If school teachers are on strike,
  • The kids don't go to school till the strike ends

There's ways to work around a railroad strike. Not so with a teachers strike.


sure there is, just add days to the school year.
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Postby Neo Industrium » Thu Sep 11, 2014 7:17 pm

If we just removed government subsidies for private schools, BC would be okay.... >:(
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Postby The Rich Port » Thu Sep 11, 2014 7:20 pm

Lavan Tiri wrote:
United Marxist Nations wrote:Of course, it allows teachers to protest low pay and problems in the education system.

Teachers On Strike is a problem.


Striking is a symptom of a problem, not a source.

Attacking striking is ignoring the actual problems.
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Postby The Two Jerseys » Thu Sep 11, 2014 7:24 pm

Ethel mermania wrote:
The Two Jerseys wrote:If the crossing signal is broken and the union is on strike,
  • The railroad can assign a non-striking employee to guard the crossing
  • The railroad can instruct trains to stop while the brakeman stops traffic
  • The railroad can reroute trains so they don't have to pass through that crossing
  • The police can stop traffic while the signal is out of order

If school teachers are on strike,
  • The kids don't go to school till the strike ends

There's ways to work around a railroad strike. Not so with a teachers strike.


sure there is, just add days to the school year.

There's only so many days you can add.
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Postby Othelos » Thu Sep 11, 2014 7:25 pm

Yes, teachers should be able to strike.

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Postby Neo Industrium » Thu Sep 11, 2014 7:27 pm

The Two Jerseys wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:
sure there is, just add days to the school year.

There's only so many days you can add.


Why not just add another 90 days to the 365 day year?

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Postby Ethel mermania » Thu Sep 11, 2014 7:31 pm

The Two Jerseys wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:
sure there is, just add days to the school year.

There's only so many days you can add.


strikes dont last for years, and you can add days to multiple years.
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Postby Sociobiology » Thu Sep 11, 2014 7:56 pm

The Two Jerseys wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:
sure there is, just add days to the school year.

There's only so many days you can add.

yeah like three months.
honestly having no more than two months off would be a good thing.
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