S Korean government doubles cigarette prices

[Infected Mushroom]

and we shouldn't.

We should find alternative ways of getting that money, because its not earned in a moral way. Its being collected from profits that come from selling addictive and destructive tobacco to the vulnerable masses...

Until you can prove why regulated.tobacco sale is immoral I advise you stop repeating that it is.

I've already said...

the exploitation of addicts and profiteering from that exploitation. Despite some exceptions, most of us wouldn't sleep so well if we sold some tobacco to people and made money from it... In fact, most of us wouldn't even cross that immoral line.

[DEC-LAND]

this price increase would discourage a bad aaction while still keeping it legal

I support

[Infected Mushroom]

because it makes you a party to the immoral act, it makes you involved in the immorality of it

Again. Why is this an immoral act. You have failed miserably to demonstrate why regulated tobacco is immoral.

because you are not punishing those who are exploiting the people. You are cooperating with them.

[Bezkoshtovnya]

Until you can prove why regulated.tobacco sale is immoral I advise you stop repeating that it is.

I've already said...

the exploitation of addicts and profiteering from that exploitation. Despite some exceptions, most of us wouldn't sleep so well if we sold some tobacco to people and made money from it... In fact, most of us wouldn't even cross that immoral line.

That must be why so many people toss and turn at night wondering.how.many people willingly bought cigarettes that day. Wait...

[Infected Mushroom]

I've already said...

the exploitation of addicts and profiteering from that exploitation. Despite some exceptions, most of us wouldn't sleep so well if we sold some tobacco to people and made money from it... In fact, most of us wouldn't even cross that immoral line.

That must be why so many people toss and turn at night wondering.how.many people willingly bought cigarettes that day. Wait...

well most of us don't do it because we know it (intuitively) in our bones that it is wrong.

[Bezkoshtovnya]

Again. Why is this an immoral act. You have failed miserably to demonstrate why regulated tobacco is immoral.

because you are not punishing those who are exploiting the people. You are cooperating with them.

Exploiting you mean selling.to.consumers? Should we now punish fast food for exploiting.hungry people? Or Starbucks for exploiting white girls and tired folks?

[Novia Soviet Socialist Republic]

I was just about to say fuck South Korea but then I saw the prices of the cigarettes. If only taxes didn't apply to importing cigarettes...or postage and packaging.

[Bezkoshtovnya]

That must be why so many people toss and turn at night wondering.how.many people willingly bought cigarettes that day. Wait...

well most of us don't do it because we know it (intuitively) in our bones that it is wrong.

Stop presuming to be the voice of the majority.

[Lunalia]

Again. Why is this an immoral act. You have failed miserably to demonstrate why regulated tobacco is immoral.

because you are not punishing those who are exploiting the people. You are cooperating with them.

I dunno.

I'd say that knowing that cigarettes are being sold for x amount, but that's only bringing in <smaller than x amount> to their pockets, and z = x - y amount is going straight into programs designed to make your consumers realize that you're selling them their own deaths is a pretty harsh punishment for tobacco producers.

[Infected Mushroom]

because you are not punishing those who are exploiting the people. You are cooperating with them.

Exploiting you mean selling.to.consumers? Should we now punish fast food for exploiting.hungry people? Or Starbucks for exploiting white girls and tired folks?

no because their stuff isn't like tobacco and drugs, its not on the same scale...

[Lunalia]

Exploiting you mean selling.to.consumers? Should we now punish fast food for exploiting.hungry people? Or Starbucks for exploiting white girls and tired folks?

no because their stuff isn't like tobacco and drugs, its not on the same scale...

Um... yes it is on the same scale.

[Infected Mushroom]

well most of us don't do it because we know it (intuitively) in our bones that it is wrong.

Stop presuming to be the voice of the majority.

I don't know a single person who I've met in real life who thinks or ever thought it's morally okay to sell tobacco to teenagers. Not a single person.

I'm basing it on personal observation.

[Bezkoshtovnya]

Exploiting you mean selling.to.consumers? Should we now punish fast food for exploiting.hungry people? Or Starbucks for exploiting white girls and tired folks?

no because their stuff isn't like tobacco and drugs, its not on the same scale...

Fast food is. It's horrible for you, and is addictive. So is caffeine, shall we punish coffee shops and soda companies? Best start arresting these dirty people exploring the masses.

[Infected Mushroom]

no because their stuff isn't like tobacco and drugs, its not on the same scale...

Um... yes it is on the same scale.

A moderate (not even heavy) smoker cannot go for a month without smoking.

You can go months and months without Starbucks or McDonalds.

So no, not comparable in their level of addictiveness.

[Scomagia]

And you've still yet to demonstrate why we shouldn't profit and how it isn't moral.

because it makes you a party to the immoral act, it makes you involved in the immorality of it

Prove it to be immoral. You aren't very good at this whole debate thing.

[Scomagia]

Until you can prove why regulated.tobacco sale is immoral I advise you stop repeating that it is.

I've already said...

the exploitation of addicts and profiteering from that exploitation. Despite some exceptions, most of us wouldn't sleep so well if we sold some tobacco to people and made money from it... In fact, most of us wouldn't even cross that immoral line.

You haven't shown this "exploitation" to be wrong.

[Bezkoshtovnya]

Stop presuming to be the voice of the majority.

I don't know a single person who I've met in real life who thinks or ever thought it's morally okay to sell tobacco to teenagers. Not a single person.

I'm basing it on personal observation.

No you warped his words and are trying.to.make him appear immoral .Tobacco is sold only to those of age. Now if you tried to ban regulated sale, then yes now kids would be having far more access to them.

[Infected Mushroom]

no because their stuff isn't like tobacco and drugs, its not on the same scale...

Fast food is. It's horrible for you, and is addictive. So is caffeine, shall we punish coffee shops and soda companies? Best start arresting these dirty people exploring the masses.

no they are just selling things that taste good.

But you can go for a month without them, you can't go for a month without smokes if you're a smoker.

[Lunalia]

Um... yes it is on the same scale.

A moderate (not even heavy) smoker cannot go for a month without smoking.

You can go months and months without Starbucks or McDonalds.

So no, not comparable in their level of addictiveness.

Pretty sure there are in fact people who cannot go months and months without Starbucks or McDonalds. McDonalds manages to be cheaper than healthy food, cheap enough that some people have no affordable alternatives.

More to the point, it is now almost impossible to find healthy quick to prepare meals that do not contain MSG. Are you going to go after the companies who force people who cannot eat MSG who work so many hours in a day that they don't have time to cook their own dinners from scratch to choose between starving and making themselves violently ill?

On a related note, MSG is actually extremely addictive. That's why they put it in all teh food.

[Scomagia]

Stop presuming to be the voice of the majority.

I don't know a single person who I've met in real life who thinks or ever thought it's morally okay to sell tobacco to teenagers. Not a single person.

I'm basing it on personal observation.

No one on here has expressed their endorsement of selling tobacco to teens, either. At least, not teens as you're meaning. This in spite of your intellectually dishonest attempt to make it look that way.

[Infected Mushroom]

I've already said...

the exploitation of addicts and profiteering from that exploitation. Despite some exceptions, most of us wouldn't sleep so well if we sold some tobacco to people and made money from it... In fact, most of us wouldn't even cross that immoral line.

You haven't shown this "exploitation" to be wrong.

so you're ok with exploitation?

[Novia Soviet Socialist Republic]

Fast food is. It's horrible for you, and is addictive. So is caffeine, shall we punish coffee shops and soda companies? Best start arresting these dirty people exploring the masses.

no they are just selling things that taste good.

But you can go for a month without them, you can't go for a month without smokes if you're a smoker.

Smoking feels good and going for a month without cigarettes isn't easy, it sure as hell can be done.

[Bezkoshtovnya]

Fast food is. It's horrible for you, and is addictive. So is caffeine, shall we punish coffee shops and soda companies? Best start arresting these dirty people exploring the masses.

no they are just selling things that taste good.

But you can got a month without them, you can't go for a month without smokes if you're a smoker.

Nope, those things that taste good.are.very harmful. Thus they are exploting addicts by your.logic.

Oh, and that must be why I have gone three months without them as a smoker. Drop the arrogance. You don't know.anything about addiction, clearly.

[Scomagia]

You haven't shown this "exploitation" to be wrong.

so you're ok with exploitation?

You haven't shown it to be wrong. You keep saying it is but you've done shit all to prove it.

[Infected Mushroom]

A moderate (not even heavy) smoker cannot go for a month without smoking.

You can go months and months without Starbucks or McDonalds.

So no, not comparable in their level of addictiveness.

Pretty sure there are in fact people who cannot go months and months without Starbucks or McDonalds. McDonalds manages to be cheaper than healthy food, cheap enough that some people have no affordable alternatives.

More to the point, it is now almost impossible to find healthy quick to prepare meals that do not contain MSG. Are you going to go after the companies who force people who cannot eat MSG who work so many hours in a day that they don't have time to cook their own dinners from scratch to choose between starving and making themselves violently ill?

On a related note, MSG is actually extremely addictive. That's why they put it in all teh food.

I don't see the connection...

I'm lost