Swedish general election 2014

[Socialist Czechia]

First thing Swedish comrades should do (if there are any actual revolutionary comrades), get rid of monarchist anachronism.

Left which tolerates monarchy, is no real left.

But they are not able even do this one necessary move

Because there's no point. The monarch has no power and exists for the sake of historicity only.

He is still Head of State, and that State is still Monarchy, in principle it doesn't matter if he's just popular figurehead or absolutist monarch, he is source of conservative reaction in society, and as such, there should be no King. Ever. Period.

If there is no party who at least supports Swedish Republic-idea, there is really no votable party for me.

[Oggeyria]

As a Swede with personal experiences, I am telling you.

The Sweden Democrats is an absolutely horrible choice. It's a ridiculous populist, borderline racist party with about one serious politican, being the party leader. The Sweden Democrats have impossible budgets and strange imaginary solution to Sweden's problems. Mainly to cut off immigration. Which they seem to forget Sweden actually needs, and the fact that it makes Sweden money.

[Calimera II]

As a Swede with personal experiences, I am telling you.

The Sweden Democrats is an absolutely horrible choice. It's a ridiculous populist, borderline racist party with about one serious politican, being the party leader. The Sweden Democrats have impossible budgets and strange imaginary solution to Sweden's problems.

Sounds like the Dutch PvdA.

[New Laikland]

As a Swede with personal experiences, I am telling you.

The Sweden Democrats is an absolutely horrible choice. It's a ridiculous populist, borderline racist party with about one serious politican, being the party leader. The Sweden Democrats have impossible budgets and strange imaginary solution to Sweden's problems.

As opposed to the liberal parties with their populist, extremely racist parties with politicians that know nothing about politics. Not to mention THEIR impossible budgets and magical solutions to Sweden's problems.

Liberals have broken Europe enough and won't stop until it's destroyed entirely. I don't even see why people still bother with them.

[New Laikland]

A Mainly to cut off immigration. Which they seem to forget Sweden actually needs, and the fact that it makes Sweden money.

No. A large number (too large) of immigrants aren't "making Sweden money", they're sucking it up. Sweden is pouring in lazy immigrants from third world countries, instead of the educated, hard workers that they need from almost anywhere else. Immigration is a short term solution to a long term problem ,and it will end badly.

[Oggeyria]

A Mainly to cut off immigration. Which they seem to forget Sweden actually needs, and the fact that it makes Sweden money.

No. A large number (too large) of immigrants aren't "making Sweden money", they're sucking it up. Sweden is pouring in lazy immigrants from third world countries, instead of the educated, hard workers that they need from almost anywhere else. Immigration is a short term solution to a long term problem ,and it will end badly.

Ironically I would say it is just the opposite. Yes, immigration costs a bit of money up front, however it costs hilariously little looking at other costs (properly, like the Sweden Democrats often fail to do). So for a small cost, we get economic growth, future job oppurtunities, future taxpayers and at the same time get to help people in need. So no, immigration is not a short-term solution to a long term problem. But moreso the opposite.

The Sweden Democrats don't really like to remember the immigration from Finland and the Balkans during the 1900s, which turned out nicely, and was frowned upon with the same, flawed arguments as today.

Another fun fact about economies, both Sweden and Germany, who have two of Europe's strongest economies, are also two of the biggest takers of immigrants.

[New Laikland]

Ironically I would say it is just the opposite. Yes, immigration costs a bit of money up front, however it costs hilariously little looking at other costs (properly, like the Sweden Democrats often fail to do). So for a small cost, we get economic growth, future job oppurtunities, future taxpayers and at the same time get to help people in need. So no, immigration is not a short-term solution to a long term problem. But moreso the opposite.

The Sweden Democrats don't really like to remember the immigration from Finland and the Balkans during the 1900s, which turned out nicely, and was frowned upon with the same, flawed arguments as today.

Another fun fact about economies, both Sweden and Germany, who have two of Europe's strongest economies, are also two of the biggest takers of immigrants.

You also get a huge cultural impact (unless they're actually willing to live in your country and assimilate). You also get a slowly, but steadily rising unemployment rate. Sweden has an 8% unemployment rate, do you really need to keep pouring in more and more uneducated people who don't even want to work? Birth rates are the long term solution, not immigration.

That's different, though. I'm all for immigration from decent countries. Finns, Norwegians, Danes, Germans, and of the civilized countries' educated workers should be welcome. The problem of today is that immigrants are pouring in from places like the middle east, plagued with Islam, which will, in the near future, have huge consequences for Europe. If immigrants are coming from decent countries, that's fine, but not the uneducated, lazy, violent ones that are pouring in from third world cesspits.

They have the strongest economies thanks to hard work and dedication, as well as baby booms from their own countries. Not laziness and welfare. A hard worker with a college degree and/or work experience who's willing to become part of your country and society is worth 10x more than a lazy, uneducated one that wants to destroy it.

I'd also like to point out that the best nations to live in are very homogenous. Iceland is 90 something percent Icelandic, Japan is about 99% Japanese, Norway is like 85% Norwegian, and so on. Meanwhile in Sweden, the numbers are falling fast, and rape and other crime is skyrocketing.

[New Socialist South Africa]

This was really ridiculous (and childish).

Yeah, I don't understand why people keep throwing out those irrelevant words. It feels like arguing with children.

Homophobia part of Swedish culture? You learn something new everyday.

Disregarding an entire political party because the words or actions of a few of it's members don't agree with you isn't an educated thing to do.

I don't support parties that support homophobia. I also don't support anti-immigration, socially conservative and right wing populist parties. That is why I don't support the Swedish Democrats.

EDIT: Also, am I incorrect in saying that one of their policies is opposition to adoption of children by gay couples?

[New Laikland]

I don't support parties that support homophobia. I also don't support anti-immigration, socially conservative and right wing populist parties. That is why I don't support the Swedish Democrats.

You disregard an ENTIRE party, which is probably the last (peaceful) hope of a country, because of a minor issue? You don't support anti immigration? So you'd prefer having hordes of uneducated, barbaric immigrants pour in, instead of educated, hard working citizens?

How does it feel to know that, by supporting the leftist parties, you're supporting the media blocking out coverage of rapes brought about by those immigrants, and you support allowing those rapists to walk free?

EDIT: Also, am I incorrect in saying that one of their policies is opposition to adoption of children by gay couples?

That is infact a policy. But once again, disregarding an entire party because of a non issue.

[Oggeyria]

Ironically I would say it is just the opposite. Yes, immigration costs a bit of money up front, however it costs hilariously little looking at other costs (properly, like the Sweden Democrats often fail to do). So for a small cost, we get economic growth, future job oppurtunities, future taxpayers and at the same time get to help people in need. So no, immigration is not a short-term solution to a long term problem. But moreso the opposite.

The Sweden Democrats don't really like to remember the immigration from Finland and the Balkans during the 1900s, which turned out nicely, and was frowned upon with the same, flawed arguments as today.

Another fun fact about economies, both Sweden and Germany, who have two of Europe's strongest economies, are also two of the biggest takers of immigrants.

You also get a huge cultural impact (unless they're actually willing to live in your country and assimilate). You also get a slowly, but steadily rising unemployment rate. Sweden has an 8% unemployment rate, do you really need to keep pouring in more and more uneducated people who don't even want to work? Birth rates are the long term solution, not immigration.

That's different, though. I'm all for immigration from decent countries. Finns, Norwegians, Danes, Germans, and of the civilized countries' educated workers should be welcome. The problem of today is that immigrants are pouring in from places like the middle east, plagued with Islam, which will, in the near future, have huge consequences for Europe. If immigrants are coming from decent countries, that's fine, but not the uneducated, lazy, violent ones that are pouring in from third world cesspits.

They have the strongest economies thanks to hard work and dedication, as well as baby booms from their own countries. Not laziness and welfare. A hard worker with a college degree and/or work experience who's willing to become part of your country and society is worth 10x more than a lazy, uneducated one that wants to destroy it.

I'd also like to point out that the best nations to live in are very homogenous. Iceland is 90 something percent Icelandic, Japan is about 99% Japanese, Norway is like 85% Norwegian, and so on. Meanwhile in Sweden, the numbers are falling fast, and rape and other crime is skyrocketing.

Oh dear, you are even more narrow-minded than I thought! You have single-handedly bought the things said to you by the extreme right wing, along with stereotypes about "lazy, evil money takers who seek to destroy us". Most of the world, has through tragedies learned why these thoughts are wrong.

Opinions like yours have always and will always exist, opinions based on hate and fear. Go read up on some actual facts from serious sources, and remember where your heart is located. To the left (;

[New Socialist South Africa]

I don't support parties that support homophobia. I also don't support anti-immigration, socially conservative and right wing populist parties. That is why I don't support the Swedish Democrats.

You disregard an ENTIRE party, which is probably the last (peaceful) hope of a country, because of a minor issue? You don't support anti immigration? So you'd prefer having hordes of uneducated, barbaric immigrants pour in, instead of educated, hard working citizens?

How does it feel to know that, by supporting the leftist parties, you're supporting the media blocking out coverage of rapes brought about by those immigrants, and you support allowing those rapists to walk free?

Are you serious? Nope you certainly aren't xenophobic. As to the second point, I support longer prison sentences for rapists and murderers, one of the few areas I agree with the Swedish Democrats, along with better rehabilitation for criminals. I support the left because I agree with most of its policies, certainly more than the number of policies I agree with when it comes to the Swedish Democrats.

[New Laikland]

Oh dear, you are even more narrow-minded than I thought! You have single-handedly bought the things said to you by the extreme right wing, along with stereotypes about "lazy, evil money takers who seek to destroy us".

Opinions like yours have always and will always exist, opinions based on hate and fear. Go read up on some actual facts from serious sources, and remember where your heart is located. To the left (;

What extreme right wing? I don't even pay attention to political parties anymore.

Opinions like mine exist because people are getting tired of having institutional racism and sexism forced down their throats. My ideology is not based off fear and hate, but rather progress and hard work. I have plenty of actual facts, and that's exactly why I'm actually aware of the situation.

Believing that the left or right actually exists just shows me how little you know about politics. But, nice Rammstein reference anyway.

[New Socialist South Africa]

EDIT: Also, am I incorrect in saying that one of their policies is opposition to adoption of children by gay couples?

That is infact a policy. But once again, disregarding an entire party because of a non issue.

I don't vote for homophobic parties. I have other reasons to not vote for them, but that by itself is enough.

[New Laikland]

Are you serious? Nope you certainly aren't xenophobic. As to the second point, I support longer prison sentences for rapists and murderers, one of the few areas I agree with the Swedish Democrats, along with better rehabilitation for criminals. I support the left because I agree with most of its policies, certainly more than the number of policies I agree with when it comes to the Swedish Democrats.

So I'm afraid of immigrants because I want them to be educated and hard working, rather than lazy and violent? Whoa.

You're willing to discard the entire Sweden Democrat party because of one little non issue in their ideology. Then you decide to discard a huge, epidemic issue that destroys people's lives simply because you support the party?

Nice to see the true ideology of liberals shining through.

[New Laikland]

I don't vote for homophobic parties. I have other reasons to not vote for them, but that by itself is enough.

How can a party be homophobic? One person says "I think a family should be a man and a woman", and all of a sudden, they're ALL homohpobic? Even if they were, do you really think something extreme would pass in parliament?

[New Socialist South Africa]

Are you serious? Nope you certainly aren't xenophobic. As to the second point, I support longer prison sentences for rapists and murderers, one of the few areas I agree with the Swedish Democrats, along with better rehabilitation for criminals. I support the left because I agree with most of its policies, certainly more than the number of policies I agree with when it comes to the Swedish Democrats.

So I'm afraid of immigrants because I want them to be educated and hard working, rather than lazy and violent? Whoa.

You're willing to discard the entire Sweden Democrat party because of one little non issue in their ideology. Then you decide to discard a huge, epidemic issue that destroys people's lives simply because you support the party?

Nice to see the true ideology of liberals shining through.

No, you're homophobic because you described them as a "barbaric hoard", or certainly the majority anyway, thus the hyperbolic collective noun 'hoard'.

Homophobia is no a little non issue ideology, it is major issue in the world that needs to be addressed, certainly not supported. I'm not sure what epidemic you are talking about, but I would certainly not support discarding it.

Why thank you, they shine all the brighter after spending some time relaxing, hanging out with and talking to my gay friends.

[New Socialist South Africa]

I don't vote for homophobic parties. I have other reasons to not vote for them, but that by itself is enough.

How can a party be homophobic? One person says "I think a family should be a man and a woman", and all of a sudden, they're ALL homohpobic? Even if they were, do you really think something extreme would pass in parliament?

First of all, it is an Official Party Policy, not one person saying it.

While it is an Official Party Policy, and certainly while it is intended as a policy to be enforced, the party as a whole is homophobic.

[New Laikland]

No, you're homophobic because you described them as a "barbaric hoard", or certainly the majority anyway, thus the hyperbolic collective noun 'hoard'.

Homophobia is no a little non issue ideology, it is major issue in the world that needs to be addressed, certainly not supported. I'm not sure what epidemic you are talking about, but I would certainly not support discarding it.

Why thank you, they shine all the brighter after spending some time relaxing, hanging out with and talking to my gay friends.

I'm homophobic for calling hundreds of thousands of uneducated, lazy muslims who are pouring into Europe, who, a large bunch of them have stated their intentions to destroy Europe, a horde? Please, tell me how to somehow managed to break the universe to arrive at that conclusion.

It is a non issue, especially in Sweden. Societies have changed. On top of that, I'm sure that letting in thousands of gay hating muslims won't do you much justice, either.

You don't support discarding a massive rape epidemic that's going through Sweden, by these immigrants? I can't even think of something to reply to that with, you're so closed minded and backwards.

[New Laikland]

First of all, it is an Official Party Policy, not one person saying it.

While it is an Official Party Policy, and certainly while it is intended as a policy to be enforced, the party as a whole is homophobic.

1. So?

2. Once again, that's none of your business, and even if they were (which I'm sure they aren't), do you really think anything major would pass in parliament?

[New Socialist South Africa]

No, you're homophobic because you described them as a "barbaric hoard", or certainly the majority anyway, thus the hyperbolic collective noun 'hoard'.

Homophobia is no a little non issue ideology, it is major issue in the world that needs to be addressed, certainly not supported. I'm not sure what epidemic you are talking about, but I would certainly not support discarding it.

Why thank you, they shine all the brighter after spending some time relaxing, hanging out with and talking to my gay friends.

1) I'm homophobic for calling hundreds of thousands of uneducated, lazy muslims who are pouring into Europe, who, a large bunch of them have stated their intentions to destroy Europe, a horde? Please, tell me how to somehow managed to break the universe to arrive at that conclusion.

2) It is a non issue, especially in Sweden. Societies have changed. On top of that, I'm sure that letting in thousands of gay hating muslims won't do you much justice, either.

3) You don't support discarding a massive rape epidemic that's going through Sweden, by these immigrants? I can't even think of something to reply to that with, you're so closed minded and backwards.

1)

"You don't support anti immigration? So you'd prefer having hordes of uneducated, barbaric immigrants pour in, instead of educated, hard working citizens?"

Yes you are. And Islamaphobic as well.

hundreds of thousands of uneducated, lazy muslims

2) It is an official party policy. I don't vote for political parties that hold such policies. Ever. Furthermore, Muslim does not equal homophobic. Generally only fundamentalist Muslims are homophobic, as it is with fundamentalist Christians and fundamentalists of most religions.

3) Are you suggesting that only immigrants rape? I'm sure not. To solve the problem you can increase police funding, fight patriarchal beliefs, increase and alleviate inequalities. Also limiting the entry of immigrants who already have convictions of rape or murder seems like a more logical policy than all with poorer access to socio-economic rights.

[New Socialist South Africa]

First of all, it is an Official Party Policy, not one person saying it.

While it is an Official Party Policy, and certainly while it is intended as a policy to be enforced, the party as a whole is homophobic.

1. So?

2. Once again, that's none of your business, and even if they were (which I'm sure they aren't), do you really think anything major would pass in parliament?

1) So it is not just one person saying it.

2) It is my business who I vote for and who I don't. I don't vote for homophobic parties. As long as the majority of people don't vote for homophobic parties, homophobic policies won't be passed.

[Geilinor]

Because there's no point. The monarch has no power and exists for the sake of historicity only.

He is still Head of State, and that State is still Monarchy, in principle it doesn't matter if he's just popular figurehead or absolutist monarch, he is source of conservative reaction in society, and as such, there should be no King. Ever. Period.

If there is no party who at least supports Swedish Republic-idea, there is really no votable party for me.

Sweden's constitutional monarchy seriously affects nothing.

[Geilinor]

Are you serious? Nope you certainly aren't xenophobic. As to the second point, I support longer prison sentences for rapists and murderers, one of the few areas I agree with the Swedish Democrats, along with better rehabilitation for criminals. I support the left because I agree with most of its policies, certainly more than the number of policies I agree with when it comes to the Swedish Democrats.

Nice to see the true ideology of liberals shining through.

The true ideology of liberals is not rape and murder, if that's what you're suggesting.

[New Laikland]

1)Yes you are. And Islamaphobic as well.

2) It is an official party policy. I don't vote for political parties that hold such policies. Ever. Furthermore, Muslim does not equal homophobic. Generally only fundamentalist Muslims are homophobic, as it is with fundamentalist Christians and fundamentalists of most religions.

3) Are you suggesting that only immigrants rape? I'm sure not. To solve the problem you can increase police funding, fight patriarchal beliefs, increase and alleviate inequalities. Also limiting the entry of immigrants who already have convictions of rape or murder seems like a more logical policy than all with poorer access to socio-economic rights.

1) Do you even know what you're saying anymore? Please, have a better grasp on the English language before arguing about things you're not very educated about.

2) Who cares if it's official party policy? As I said, they can't do anything about it, ever. Disregarding them because of that is really just small minded. Muslim, more often than not, does infact equal homophobic. When people that worship a book that encourages homophobia and the invasion, conquering, and destruction of your land are at your doorstep, it's really irrelevant that a tiny minority of them aren't brainwashed.

3) Where did I do that? How would any of that make a difference? In Oslo, and I believe most of the Swedish cities, something like 99% of rapists were committed by immigrants, or their descendants. The native people of Europe have come a long way from 1,000 years ago, but unfortunately, the immigrants from the middle east are going further back. More police funding? What will that even do? It won't stop rape from happening, unless you implement brutal punishments for it. Fight patriarchal beliefs? What? Increase inequalities, then alleviate them? What?? How is that even relevant in any way?

What do socio-economic "rights" have to do with work ethic?

[New Laikland]

The true ideology of liberals is not rape and murder, if that's what you're suggesting.

I didn't suggest that. The true ideology of liberals is to allow rape and murder from a third party group. This is whether they directly support it, or indirectly cause it due to their extreme lack of education on cause and effect in society.