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What destroyed the Soviet Union?

Ronald Reagan. His aggressive foreign policy forced the Soviets to build up their military, which their economy couldn't afford. His policies ultimately resulted in Soviet collapse.
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Mikhail Gorbachev. His reforms were too radical and he gave too much power too the people. This prevented the government from changing over time, as the people simply revolted.
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Mass Media. People had become disillusioned with communism. The governments couldn't hide how backwards they were and the people rose against communism across the world.
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The system was broken. It was inherently flawed. After the post WWII economic boom the Soviet Union began a long slow period of decline it couldn't possibly have recovered from.
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Somehow it was the Jews.
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Postby Deusaeuri » Wed Sep 03, 2014 5:34 pm

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Nuevo Meshiko wrote:Wow, that is one biased poll if I ever saw one.

Could you elaborate?

Hardcore communists trying to take over Gorbachev's government through a coup led to the collapse of Soviet Union.

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Postby Oaledonia » Wed Sep 03, 2014 5:34 pm

Their fetish with trying to beat the US in an un-winnable arms race with the US with almost a 20 year technology gap.
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Postby Alyakia » Wed Sep 03, 2014 5:34 pm

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Padnak wrote:Stagnation

If it's Stagnation, then the US is in trouble, because last year, our annual GDP growth was about the same as that of the USSR in the early '80's.

Like I said, other countries had survived the economic problems worse than what the USSR was going through.


frankly i think the ronald reagan was most important stuff is just arrogance and people wanting to think their country totally beat their enemies oorah
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Postby Kiribati-Tarawa » Wed Sep 03, 2014 5:35 pm

Communism - the system is inherently flawed. To quote the Baroness Thatcher (Prime Minister of the UK 1979-1990), "The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other peoples' money." That's precisely what happened in the Soviet Union.
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Postby Genivaria » Wed Sep 03, 2014 5:36 pm

Kiribati-Tarawa wrote:Communism - the system is inherently flawed. To quote the Baroness Thatcher (Prime Minister of the UK 1979-1990), "The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other peoples' money." That's precisely what happened in the Soviet Union.

Thatcher was an idiot who didn't realize that the 'other people's money' nonsense applies to all government not just communist.

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Postby Furry Alairia and Algeria » Wed Sep 03, 2014 5:37 pm

American Soviet Socialist States wrote:Communism is the perfect form of government when done right. Most people think that it's bad because some Socialist/Communist leaders gave it a bad name. I wish that more countries were communist, especially Russia.

Go to Angola, or maybe Ethiopia, or maybe Nepal. Those countries are on the verge on becoming socialist countries. Note that these countries are currently poor, and at one point were rich.
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Postby United Marxist Nations » Wed Sep 03, 2014 5:37 pm

Kiribati-Tarawa wrote:Communism - the system is inherently flawed. To quote the Baroness Thatcher (Prime Minister of the UK 1979-1990), "The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other peoples' money." That's precisely what happened in the Soviet Union.

She didn't understand socialism and the Soviet-model then, and you don't understand it now, if that's how you think it worked. Hell, the USSR didn't even have an income tax.
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Postby The Sotoan Union » Wed Sep 03, 2014 5:37 pm

American Soviet Socialist States wrote:Communism is the perfect form of government when done right. Most people think that it's bad because some Socialist/Communist leaders gave it a bad name. I wish that more countries were communist, especially Russia.

I got some bad news for ya.

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Postby The Sotoan Union » Wed Sep 03, 2014 5:38 pm

Deusaeuri wrote:
The Sotoan Union wrote:Could you elaborate?

Hardcore communists trying to take over Gorbachev's government through a coup led to the collapse of Soviet Union.

Directly. But that's like saying Rome was fine until Alaric sacked it.

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Postby Furry Alairia and Algeria » Wed Sep 03, 2014 5:39 pm

The Sotoan Union wrote:
American Soviet Socialist States wrote:Communism is the perfect form of government when done right. Most people think that it's bad because some Socialist/Communist leaders gave it a bad name. I wish that more countries were communist, especially Russia.

I got some bad news for ya.

Ethipoia, Somalia, Sudan, Azerbaijan, Armenia, Kazakhstan(You know where I'm going)
These countries are poor. Dirt poor, except for a few.
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Postby Deusaeuri » Wed Sep 03, 2014 5:39 pm

Kiribati-Tarawa wrote:Communism - the system is inherently flawed. To quote the Baroness Thatcher (Prime Minister of the UK 1979-1990), "The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other peoples' money." That's precisely what happened in the Soviet Union.

No... Not at all. The system collapsed because it could no longer hold together the nationalist ideals of the various republics. It had little to do with the government itself being communist. If Thatcher was right (she wasn't), the Chinese government would have collapsed long ago.

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Postby Furry Alairia and Algeria » Wed Sep 03, 2014 5:40 pm

Deusaeuri wrote:
Kiribati-Tarawa wrote:Communism - the system is inherently flawed. To quote the Baroness Thatcher (Prime Minister of the UK 1979-1990), "The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other peoples' money." That's precisely what happened in the Soviet Union.

No... Not at all. The system collapsed because it could no longer hold together the nationalist ideals of the various republics. It had little to do with the government itself being communist. If Thatcher was right (she wasn't), the Chinese government would have collapsed long ago.

Trust me, for China, if they were a anarchy at one point, and currently, I'm not seeing anyone in golden chariots, and not too much of good spacing(eg Hong Kong)
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Postby Alyakia » Wed Sep 03, 2014 5:40 pm

Kiribati-Tarawa wrote:Communism - the system is inherently flawed. To quote the Baroness Thatcher (Prime Minister of the UK 1979-1990), "The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other peoples' money." That's precisely what happened in the Soviet Union.


it's also what happened to the UKs financial sector. lol. especially ironic since her government only survived due to the north sea oil, which is basically other peoples money. maybe if she spent more time thinking about how to actually run the country properly and less time thinking up quotes for people to post on the internet we would have done a lot better.

also it actually sounds really weird when you call someone a baroness outside of very very specific contexts.
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Postby Deusaeuri » Wed Sep 03, 2014 5:42 pm

Furry Alairia and Algeria wrote:
The Sotoan Union wrote:I got some bad news for ya.

Ethipoia, Somalia, Sudan, Azerbaijan, Armenia, Kazakhstan(You know where I'm going)
These countries are poor. Dirt poor, except for a few.

Oman, Namibia, Angola, Phillipines, Greece, Guatemala, El Salvador...

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Postby Deusaeuri » Wed Sep 03, 2014 5:43 pm

Furry Alairia and Algeria wrote:
Deusaeuri wrote:No... Not at all. The system collapsed because it could no longer hold together the nationalist ideals of the various republics. It had little to do with the government itself being communist. If Thatcher was right (she wasn't), the Chinese government would have collapsed long ago.

Trust me, for China, if they were a anarchy at one point, and currently, I'm not seeing anyone in golden chariots, and not too much of good spacing(eg Hong Kong)

You make no sense at all.

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Postby Furry Alairia and Algeria » Wed Sep 03, 2014 5:43 pm

Deusaeuri wrote:
Furry Alairia and Algeria wrote:Ethipoia, Somalia, Sudan, Azerbaijan, Armenia, Kazakhstan(You know where I'm going)
These countries are poor. Dirt poor, except for a few.

Oman, Namibia, Angola, Phillipines, Greece, Guatemala, El Salvador...

El Salvador and Guatemala are on the verge of dying off, and Angola is dirt poor.
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Postby Trezchoix » Wed Sep 03, 2014 5:43 pm

The insane idea that communism and socialism actually work. It was failed from the start and communism has shown world wide how crazy and evil it actually is.
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Postby Deusaeuri » Wed Sep 03, 2014 5:43 pm

Furry Alairia and Algeria wrote:
Deusaeuri wrote:Oman, Namibia, Angola, Phillipines, Greece, Guatemala, El Salvador...

El Salvador and Guatemala are on the verge of dying off, and Angola is dirt poor.

I know that. I'm pointing out that many countries in both the 1st World and 3rd World were poor and authoritarian. (and some still are)
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Postby Deusaeuri » Wed Sep 03, 2014 5:44 pm

Trezchoix wrote:The insane idea that communism and socialism actually work. It was failed from the start and communism has shown world wide how crazy and evil it actually is.

I wonder how many parts of the device you typed this on are from China.

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Postby Alyakia » Wed Sep 03, 2014 5:44 pm

Trezchoix wrote:The insane idea that communism and socialism actually work. It was failed from the start and communism has shown world wide how crazy and evil it actually is.


lasted twice as long as apartheid. must have been doing something right.
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Postby Furry Alairia and Algeria » Wed Sep 03, 2014 5:44 pm

Deusaeuri wrote:
Furry Alairia and Algeria wrote:El Salvador and Guatemala are on the verge of dying off, and Angola is dirt poor.

I know that. I'm pointing out that many countries in both the 1st World and 3rd World were poor and authoritarian. (and some still are)

All the countries you pointed out are third world except Oman. And Oman, for a country with some humanitarian issues, their economy is holding them up.
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Postby Deusaeuri » Wed Sep 03, 2014 5:45 pm

Furry Alairia and Algeria wrote:
Deusaeuri wrote:I know that. I'm pointing out that many countries in both the 1st World and 3rd World were poor and authoritarian. (and some still are)

All the countries you pointed out are third world except Oman. And Oman, for a country with some humanitarian issues, their economy is holding them up.

Do you even know what the 1st World / 2nd World / 3rd Worlds are?

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Deusaeuri wrote:
Furry Alairia and Algeria wrote:All the countries you pointed out are third world except Oman. And Oman, for a country with some humanitarian issues, their economy is holding them up.

Do you even know what the 1st World / 2nd World / 3rd Worlds are?

Well, there's different theories. Which ones are you talking about?
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Postby Deusaeuri » Wed Sep 03, 2014 5:46 pm

Furry Alairia and Algeria wrote:
Deusaeuri wrote:Do you even know what the 1st World / 2nd World / 3rd Worlds are?

Well, there's different theories. Which ones are you talking about?

No, there's not multiple theories.
The 1st World refers to the United States/United Kingdom and their allies.
The 3rd World refers to the Soviet Union/China and their allies.
The 2nd World refers to Sweden/Yugoslavia/other neutral nations.

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Postby Libhiriya » Wed Sep 03, 2014 5:47 pm

Furry Alairia and Algeria wrote:
American Soviet Socialist States wrote:Communism is the perfect form of government when done right. Most people think that it's bad because some Socialist/Communist leaders gave it a bad name. I wish that more countries were communist, especially Russia.

Go to Angola, or maybe Ethiopia, or maybe Nepal. Those countries are on the verge on becoming socialist countries. Note that these countries are currently poor, and at one point were rich.


When were they rich?

Under the colonial yoke?

When Hallie Salisee was hording the wealth for himself while Bob Marley kissed his ass?

When a white man was the first to climb everest? (tell that to the sherpas)
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