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What destroyed the Soviet Union?

Ronald Reagan. His aggressive foreign policy forced the Soviets to build up their military, which their economy couldn't afford. His policies ultimately resulted in Soviet collapse.
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Mikhail Gorbachev. His reforms were too radical and he gave too much power too the people. This prevented the government from changing over time, as the people simply revolted.
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Mass Media. People had become disillusioned with communism. The governments couldn't hide how backwards they were and the people rose against communism across the world.
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The system was broken. It was inherently flawed. After the post WWII economic boom the Soviet Union began a long slow period of decline it couldn't possibly have recovered from.
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Somehow it was the Jews.
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Postby OMGeverynameistaken » Fri Sep 12, 2014 9:04 pm

The Sotoan Union wrote:
OMGeverynameistaken wrote:The USSR WAS basically a continuation of the Russian Empire under new management.

So then you would refer to these Russian governments as Russia. It doesn't make sense to call modern Russia the USSR when it gets expansive, especially since Russia has always been expansive.

I don't disagree. The whole "herpderp Putin reviving USSR OMG LOL" thing is a bunch of nonsense.
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Postby United States of White America » Mon Sep 15, 2014 4:06 pm

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United States of White America wrote:The Soviet Union destroyed itself because people finally saw that communism was and is evil.

Could you, by chance, be able to enlighten all of us as to why communism is evil?


It was created by Karl Marx, who was an incredibly horrible man. Communism lead to the destruction of the class system, and in China it led to massive genocide of intellectuals during the Cultural Revolution. Many writers who were communist, such as Franz Kafka, wrote really awful books trying to point the finger of blame onto capitalism.
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Postby Kargintina » Mon Sep 15, 2014 4:08 pm

Putin destroyered teh USZR Wit his mad hakzso he can remak itz witz with evil armies and start teh wurl wa tree

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Postby Max Worshippers » Mon Sep 15, 2014 4:10 pm

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Postby Kargintina » Mon Sep 15, 2014 4:20 pm

Kargintina wrote:Putin destroyered teh USZR Wit his mad hakzso he can remak itz witz with evil armies and start teh wurl wa tree

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Postby Kubra » Mon Sep 15, 2014 4:20 pm

United States of White America wrote:Franz Kafka wrote really awful books
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Postby United States of White America » Thu Sep 18, 2014 2:27 pm

Kubra wrote:
United States of White America wrote:Franz Kafka wrote really awful books
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Why?
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Postby Distruzionopolis » Thu Sep 18, 2014 2:56 pm

Stalinism. Stalinism destroyed the Soviet Union.

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Postby Bolnoa » Thu Sep 18, 2014 4:38 pm

My view on this isn't in a selected option.
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Postby Bolnoa » Thu Sep 18, 2014 4:41 pm

Distruzionopolis wrote:Stalinism. Stalinism destroyed the Soviet Union.


Main stream version of the Soviet Union died along with Stalin. My favorite age of the Soviet Union died in 1964. It officially died in 1991.
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Postby The New Sea Territory » Thu Sep 18, 2014 4:48 pm

Ronald Reagan did jack shit, first of all.

The Soviet Union just made bad economic plans and organized itself really, really terribly.
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Postby Britannic Realms » Thu Sep 18, 2014 4:51 pm

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Postby Bontavation » Thu Sep 18, 2014 5:31 pm

All of these options are leaving out the biggest problem, was trapped in an expensive arms-race and was addicted to high oil prices. During the oil glut of the 80's, things really started to go to hell. This wasn't the only factor, but it is the biggest.

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Postby The Broken Russian States » Thu Sep 18, 2014 6:28 pm

SDI Massacred everyone in Moscow.


No seriously, didn't someone launch a coup that killed the USSR?
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Postby Jinos » Thu Sep 18, 2014 6:38 pm

I'm largely disappointed people actually believe the Soviet Union collapsed due to some kind of inherent and irreversable flaw. Like, seriously? History is a track record of failed, brutal police states that just keep chugging. North Korea? China? Iran? Burma?

It was all Gorbachev. Maybe if his reforms had come slower, and started with economic benefits first before political freedoms, he could've kept the USSR together - maybe not as a Nation, but at least a Federation of States.
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Postby Pandeeria » Thu Sep 18, 2014 6:55 pm

Jinos wrote:I'm largely disappointed people actually believe the Soviet Union collapsed due to some kind of inherent and irreversable flaw. Like, seriously? History is a track record of failed, brutal police states that just keep chugging. North Korea? China? Iran? Burma?

It was all Gorbachev. Maybe if his reforms had come slower, and started with economic benefits first before political freedoms, he could've kept the USSR together - maybe not as a Nation, but at least a Federation of States.


Gorbachev was only a symptom of a larger issue: the growth of liberalism within the Communist Party. The Party itself grew concerned with freedoms, especially that of the media and speech, eh oh lead to the Union's downfall.
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Postby Greed and Death » Thu Sep 18, 2014 7:07 pm

The ideology, communism will never work in the long term.
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Postby Greed and Death » Thu Sep 18, 2014 7:09 pm

Jinos wrote:I'm largely disappointed people actually believe the Soviet Union collapsed due to some kind of inherent and irreversable flaw. Like, seriously? History is a track record of failed, brutal police states that just keep chugging. North Korea? China? Iran? Burma?

It was all Gorbachev. Maybe if his reforms had come slower, and started with economic benefits first before political freedoms, he could've kept the USSR together - maybe not as a Nation, but at least a Federation of States.

So being a police state does not end in doom.
But being an economic left country does.
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Postby Empire of Narnia » Thu Sep 18, 2014 7:14 pm

greed and death wrote:
Jinos wrote:I'm largely disappointed people actually believe the Soviet Union collapsed due to some kind of inherent and irreversable flaw. Like, seriously? History is a track record of failed, brutal police states that just keep chugging. North Korea? China? Iran? Burma?

It was all Gorbachev. Maybe if his reforms had come slower, and started with economic benefits first before political freedoms, he could've kept the USSR together - maybe not as a Nation, but at least a Federation of States.

So being a police state does not end in doom.
But being an economic left country does.

No. North Korea still has a command economy.

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Postby Dracoria » Fri Sep 19, 2014 1:20 pm

Empire of Narnia wrote:
greed and death wrote:So being a police state does not end in doom.
But being an economic left country does.

No. North Korea still has a command economy.


The current (non-Monarch, honest!) ruler controls everything from above with an iron fist, and directs the economy disproportionately toward the military. It's not a Command economy, it's a Command&Conquer economy.
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Postby Evil Grantica » Fri Sep 19, 2014 1:24 pm

Inherently flawed system plus Reagan plus Gorbachev not being nuts were the big three reasons.

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Postby L Ron Cupboard » Fri Sep 19, 2014 1:25 pm

Jinos wrote:I'm largely disappointed people actually believe the Soviet Union collapsed due to some kind of inherent and irreversable flaw. Like, seriously? History is a track record of failed, brutal police states that just keep chugging. North Korea? China? Iran? Burma?


Have any of those actually been a brutal police state for longer than the Soviet Union?
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Postby Padnak » Fri Sep 19, 2014 1:26 pm

Burma looks like its going to keep rumbling until the end of time
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Postby Maineiacs » Fri Sep 19, 2014 1:32 pm




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Postby ODMS Babel » Fri Sep 19, 2014 1:34 pm

I would say the Soviet Union was destroyed due to nationalism and the fact that their heavy-handed approach convinced people they were conquerors rather than liberators, which made everyone hate them. Unlike other Communist regimes, the Soviet Union was far more federal and kept ethnicity-based divisions in existence (as Republics rather than independent states, but still) which meant that the various nationalistic groups that wanted their countries to be separate from the USSR had easy already-made borders to fall back upon.
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