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What destroyed the Soviet Union?

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What destroyed the Soviet Union?

Ronald Reagan. His aggressive foreign policy forced the Soviets to build up their military, which their economy couldn't afford. His policies ultimately resulted in Soviet collapse.
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Mikhail Gorbachev. His reforms were too radical and he gave too much power too the people. This prevented the government from changing over time, as the people simply revolted.
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16%
Mass Media. People had become disillusioned with communism. The governments couldn't hide how backwards they were and the people rose against communism across the world.
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6%
The system was broken. It was inherently flawed. After the post WWII economic boom the Soviet Union began a long slow period of decline it couldn't possibly have recovered from.
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Somehow it was the Jews.
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What destroyed the Soviet Union?

Postby The Sotoan Union » Wed Sep 03, 2014 5:15 pm

Obviously the Soviet Union collapsed for a number of reasons. But what do you think was the biggest factor NSG?

Personally I think it was a number of these factors, but with Ronald Reagan being the biggest factor.
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Postby United Marxist Nations » Wed Sep 03, 2014 5:18 pm

There was no one reason.

You had ethnic tensions, the delaying of multi-candidate elections, and Perestroika allowing the establishment of small-scale capitalism. Had multi-candidate elections been allowed much earlier (either 1936 when they were first proposed or in the 1950's-60's), then the people would have been content with the system, most likely.

EDIT: But yeah, building up the military in response to Reagan was also a big no-no.
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Postby Genivaria » Wed Sep 03, 2014 5:19 pm

There was no one reason, a combination of Gorbachav's reforms and American foriegn policy.
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Postby Faustin Land » Wed Sep 03, 2014 5:20 pm

Let's all agree to disagree that it wasn't the jews.
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Postby The Sotoan Union » Wed Sep 03, 2014 5:20 pm

Yes we all know there was no one reason. Can we pick the biggest factor so there is something to discuss though?

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Postby Korouse » Wed Sep 03, 2014 5:22 pm

The Soviet Union sucked, that's why it fell.
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Postby United Marxist Nations » Wed Sep 03, 2014 5:23 pm

There is no "biggest" reason. It was a combination of the many that led to the cocktail.
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Postby Libhiriya » Wed Sep 03, 2014 5:23 pm

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Postby United Marxist Nations » Wed Sep 03, 2014 5:24 pm

Korouse wrote:The Soviet Union sucked, that's why it fell.

It was better than a lot of countries around today (for many, a lot better), yet those are still around.
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Postby Hundermenschen » Wed Sep 03, 2014 5:24 pm

I would say their economy. The US just outspent them and eventually the Soviet Union went bankrupt.
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Postby The Sotoan Union » Wed Sep 03, 2014 5:24 pm

United Marxist Nations wrote:There is no "biggest" reason. It was a combination of the many that led to the cocktail.

So say ethnic tensions were completely equal to economic problems?

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Postby Padnak » Wed Sep 03, 2014 5:25 pm

Stagnation
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Postby United Marxist Nations » Wed Sep 03, 2014 5:27 pm

The Sotoan Union wrote:
United Marxist Nations wrote:There is no "biggest" reason. It was a combination of the many that led to the cocktail.

So say ethnic tensions were completely equal to economic problems?

Yes, if anything, they had more to do with it. Plenty of countries have survived far worse economic problems than the USSR was putting up with.
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Postby The Sotoan Union » Wed Sep 03, 2014 5:29 pm

United Marxist Nations wrote:
The Sotoan Union wrote:So say ethnic tensions were completely equal to economic problems?

Yes, if anything, they had more to do with it. Plenty of countries have survived far worse economic problems than the USSR was putting up with.

So they would be a bigger factor. Doesn't this mean that some factors were more important?

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Postby Occupied Deutschland » Wed Sep 03, 2014 5:31 pm

'All of the Above'.
Yes, even the Jews.
How the Jews, you may ask?
Well explain this:
Soviet Union collapses pre-Jewish-state-in-Israel: 0
Soviet Union collapses post-Jewish-state-in-Israel: 1
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Soviet military funding was always ridiculously large and a heavy burden on their economy. Reagan's batshit craziness (Star Wars being a prime example) only encouraged this.

Glasnost and perestroika, far from restructuring the system of the USSR, only encouraged and heightened internal and external calls to breakaway from it. They went far enough to offer that encouragement while still retaining vestiges of the earlier censorship and political oppression that characterized the USSR.

Then of course 'blue jeans and rock'n'roll' won over on the cultural front of things, and were a chiefly western/American brand. The rise of globalization and globalized information-sharing they represented were also strong drivers of events (glasnost and perestroika coming at this time only furthering their reach).

General internal failings of the Soviet Union as a whole (the reliance on dominating Eastern Europe via military might and exportation of goods, as well as typical corruption and justice failings) definitely contributed.

And then, of course as I proved earlier, there was the Jews.
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Postby Nuevo Meshiko » Wed Sep 03, 2014 5:31 pm

Wow, that is one biased poll if I ever saw one.
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Postby United Marxist Nations » Wed Sep 03, 2014 5:31 pm

Padnak wrote:Stagnation

If it's Stagnation, then the US is in trouble, because last year, our annual GDP growth was about the same as that of the USSR in the early '80's.

Like I said, other countries had survived the economic problems worse than what the USSR was going through.
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Postby Napkiraly » Wed Sep 03, 2014 5:32 pm

Various reasons. Economic, social, political, etc.

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Postby The Sotoan Union » Wed Sep 03, 2014 5:32 pm

Occupied Deutschland wrote:'All of the Above'.
Yes, even the Jews.
How the Jews, you may ask?
Well explain this:
Soviet Union collapses pre-Jewish-state-in-Israel: 0
Soviet Union collapses post-Jewish-state-in-Israel: 1


Soviet military funding was always ridiculously large and a heavy burden on their economy. Reagan's batshit craziness (Star Wars being a prime example) only encouraged this.

Glasnost and perestroika, far from restructuring the system of the USSR, only encouraged and heightened internal and external calls to breakaway from it. They went far enough to offer that encouragement while still retaining vestiges of the earlier censorship and political oppression that characterized the USSR.

Then of course 'blue jeans and rock'n'roll' won over on the cultural front of things, and were a chiefly western/American brand. The rise of globalization and globalized information-sharing they represented were also strong drivers of events (glasnost and perestroika coming at this time only furthering their reach).

General internal failings of the Soviet Union as a whole (the reliance on dominating Eastern Europe via military might and exportation of goods, as well as typical corruption and justice failings) definitely contributed.

And then, of course as I proved earlier, there was the Jews.

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Postby The Sotoan Union » Wed Sep 03, 2014 5:32 pm

Nuevo Meshiko wrote:Wow, that is one biased poll if I ever saw one.

Could you elaborate?

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Postby Furry Alairia and Algeria » Wed Sep 03, 2014 5:32 pm

I honestly doubt it was the Jews. I do think though it was a combined effort that was planned by Ronald Reagan and played with what seemed to be his pawn, Mikhail, since he got to Mikhail very easily.
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Postby United Marxist Nations » Wed Sep 03, 2014 5:34 pm

The Sotoan Union wrote:
United Marxist Nations wrote:Yes, if anything, they had more to do with it. Plenty of countries have survived far worse economic problems than the USSR was putting up with.

So they would be a bigger factor. Doesn't this mean that some factors were more important?

I never said ethnic tensions were the biggest factor, just bigger than economic problems. If I had to pick one, I would say it was that the USSR had not introduced multicandidate elections and greater freedom of information and speech earlier, which could have prevented the wave of unrest.
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Postby American Soviet Socialist States » Wed Sep 03, 2014 5:34 pm

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Postby Lift » Wed Sep 03, 2014 5:34 pm

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