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Is monarchy a good form of government?

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Laerod
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Postby Laerod » Sun Sep 07, 2014 4:34 am

The UK in Exile wrote:
Ifaltannia wrote:
the royal family brings in about £176M to the UK treasury. And that does not include the money made by restaurants, hotels, cabs and stores. I think that is what is called a good investment.


Well it cost the UK economy 1.2Bn last year.

Yes, but Ifaltannia called it a good investment, so their point that it gets called a good investment technically still stands =P

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Ifaltannia
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Postby Ifaltannia » Sun Sep 07, 2014 4:34 am

The UK in Exile wrote:
Ifaltannia wrote:
the royal family brings in about £176M to the UK treasury. And that does not include the money made by restaurants, hotels, cabs and stores. I think that is what is called a good investment.


Well it cost the UK economy 1.2Bn last year.


the royal baby has brought in about £500 million
And it didn't cost 1.2bn. Bull At Max it would cost them 50mil to upkeep

Also Kate's wedding brought in a £2bn boost to UK tourism
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The Kingdom Of Ifaltannia
Current Monarch: King Aeflswin
Current Prime Minister: Radnar Verback
Current Wars: Peace
Defcon:[5] 4 3 2 1
Ifaltannia is a country in the arctic populated by Ifalts with strong Proto-Germanic roots. It's most prominent religion is Wodenism/Esetroth and the language of its people is closely related to Old-English. The country is lead by King Aeflswin with the assistance of the Current PM. The population of Ifaltannia is 2.6 Million.
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The UK in Exile
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Postby The UK in Exile » Sun Sep 07, 2014 4:36 am

Ifaltannia wrote:
The UK in Exile wrote:
Well it cost the UK economy 1.2Bn last year.


the royal baby has brought in about £500 million
And it didn't cost 1.2bn. Bull At Max it would cost them 50mil to upkeep


The Jubilee bank holiday alone cost 1.2bn

add on the cost of royal security (100m)

the upkeep (30m)
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The UK in Exile
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Postby The UK in Exile » Sun Sep 07, 2014 4:39 am

Ifaltannia wrote:
The UK in Exile wrote:
Well it cost the UK economy 1.2Bn last year.


the royal baby has brought in about £500 million
And it didn't cost 1.2bn. Bull At Max it would cost them 50mil to upkeep

Also Kate's wedding brought in a £2bn boost to UK tourism


the queens hats alone cost 5billion squillion million.

Making up numbers is fun, isn't it?
"We fought for the public good and would have enfranchised the people and secured the welfare of the whole groaning creation, if the nation had not more delighted in servitude than in freedom"

"My actions are as noble as my thoughts, That never relish’d of a base descent.I came unto your court for honour’s cause, And not to be a rebel to her state; And he that otherwise accounts of me, This sword shall prove he’s honour’s enemy."

"Wählte Ungnade, wo Gehorsam nicht Ehre brachte."
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Ifaltannia
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Postby Ifaltannia » Sun Sep 07, 2014 4:40 am

The UK in Exile wrote:
Ifaltannia wrote:
the royal baby has brought in about £500 million
And it didn't cost 1.2bn. Bull At Max it would cost them 50mil to upkeep


The Jubilee bank holiday alone cost 1.2bn

add on the cost of royal security (100m)

the upkeep (30m)


so now you've admitted that the royal family costs 130mil to keep, Makes 50 mil of profit. good investment. The Jubilee May of cost much but my god it was a good event, and it certainly made its money back, and brought £120,000 boost to local buisnesses.
Last edited by Ifaltannia on Sun Sep 07, 2014 4:41 am, edited 1 time in total.
The Kingdom Of Ifaltannia
Current Monarch: King Aeflswin
Current Prime Minister: Radnar Verback
Current Wars: Peace
Defcon:[5] 4 3 2 1
Ifaltannia is a country in the arctic populated by Ifalts with strong Proto-Germanic roots. It's most prominent religion is Wodenism/Esetroth and the language of its people is closely related to Old-English. The country is lead by King Aeflswin with the assistance of the Current PM. The population of Ifaltannia is 2.6 Million.
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Postby Indira » Sun Sep 07, 2014 4:40 am

Absolute monarchy? No, absolutely not. That never ends well and can you imagine how bad government would be if and when it fell into the hands of someone like Alex Jones?

Constitutional monarchy? Not a problem really.

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Postby The UK in Exile » Sun Sep 07, 2014 4:41 am

Ifaltannia wrote:
The UK in Exile wrote:
The Jubilee bank holiday alone cost 1.2bn

add on the cost of royal security (100m)

the upkeep (30m)


so now you've admitted that the royal family costs 130mil to keep, Makes 50 mil of profit. good investment. The Jubilee May of cost much but my god it was a good event, and it certainly made its money back, and brought 120mil boost to local buisnesses.


except I haven't accepted of the numbers your making up.

in what world is 120m making back 1.2 bn? edit - in what world is £120,000 equal to 1.2bn?
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"We fought for the public good and would have enfranchised the people and secured the welfare of the whole groaning creation, if the nation had not more delighted in servitude than in freedom"

"My actions are as noble as my thoughts, That never relish’d of a base descent.I came unto your court for honour’s cause, And not to be a rebel to her state; And he that otherwise accounts of me, This sword shall prove he’s honour’s enemy."

"Wählte Ungnade, wo Gehorsam nicht Ehre brachte."
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DEFCON 1 - at war "go to red alert!" "are you absolutely sure sir? it does mean changing the lightbulb."

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Ifaltannia
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Postby Ifaltannia » Sun Sep 07, 2014 4:42 am

The UK in Exile wrote:
Ifaltannia wrote:
so now you've admitted that the royal family costs 130mil to keep, Makes 50 mil of profit. good investment. The Jubilee May of cost much but my god it was a good event, and it certainly made its money back, and brought 120mil boost to local buisnesses.


except I haven't accepted of the numbers he 's making up.

in what world is 120m making back 1.2 bn?


The 120,000 boost was just for small buisnesses, the jubilee itself certainly made back it's money. -.- (and was an epic event)
The Kingdom Of Ifaltannia
Current Monarch: King Aeflswin
Current Prime Minister: Radnar Verback
Current Wars: Peace
Defcon:[5] 4 3 2 1
Ifaltannia is a country in the arctic populated by Ifalts with strong Proto-Germanic roots. It's most prominent religion is Wodenism/Esetroth and the language of its people is closely related to Old-English. The country is lead by King Aeflswin with the assistance of the Current PM. The population of Ifaltannia is 2.6 Million.
Long live the Kingdom
-See my factbook for a complete history document.

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Ifaltannia
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Postby Ifaltannia » Sun Sep 07, 2014 4:45 am

Also A Monarchy Helps General Patriotism. Which is important in a day and age where people couldn't give a crap where they lived
The Kingdom Of Ifaltannia
Current Monarch: King Aeflswin
Current Prime Minister: Radnar Verback
Current Wars: Peace
Defcon:[5] 4 3 2 1
Ifaltannia is a country in the arctic populated by Ifalts with strong Proto-Germanic roots. It's most prominent religion is Wodenism/Esetroth and the language of its people is closely related to Old-English. The country is lead by King Aeflswin with the assistance of the Current PM. The population of Ifaltannia is 2.6 Million.
Long live the Kingdom
-See my factbook for a complete history document.

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The UK in Exile
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Postby The UK in Exile » Sun Sep 07, 2014 4:47 am

Ifaltannia wrote:
The UK in Exile wrote:
except I haven't accepted of the numbers he 's making up.

in what world is 120m making back 1.2 bn?


The 120,000 boost was just for small buisnesses, the jubilee itself certainly made back it's money. -.- (and was an epic event)


it didn't. there are only so many commemmorative plates you can sell.

Also A Monarchy Helps General Patriotism. Which is important in a day and age where people couldn't give a crap where they lived


ah, the virtue of the vicious.
"We fought for the public good and would have enfranchised the people and secured the welfare of the whole groaning creation, if the nation had not more delighted in servitude than in freedom"

"My actions are as noble as my thoughts, That never relish’d of a base descent.I came unto your court for honour’s cause, And not to be a rebel to her state; And he that otherwise accounts of me, This sword shall prove he’s honour’s enemy."

"Wählte Ungnade, wo Gehorsam nicht Ehre brachte."
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DEFCON 1 - at war "go to red alert!" "are you absolutely sure sir? it does mean changing the lightbulb."

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Postby Ifaltannia » Sun Sep 07, 2014 4:51 am

The UK in Exile wrote: there are only so many commemmorative plates you can sell.


Don't judge, I brought one of those plates
The Kingdom Of Ifaltannia
Current Monarch: King Aeflswin
Current Prime Minister: Radnar Verback
Current Wars: Peace
Defcon:[5] 4 3 2 1
Ifaltannia is a country in the arctic populated by Ifalts with strong Proto-Germanic roots. It's most prominent religion is Wodenism/Esetroth and the language of its people is closely related to Old-English. The country is lead by King Aeflswin with the assistance of the Current PM. The population of Ifaltannia is 2.6 Million.
Long live the Kingdom
-See my factbook for a complete history document.

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The UK in Exile
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Postby The UK in Exile » Sun Sep 07, 2014 4:52 am

Ifaltannia wrote:
The UK in Exile wrote: there are only so many commemmorative plates you can sell.


Don't judge, I brought one of those plates


Im definitely judging.
"We fought for the public good and would have enfranchised the people and secured the welfare of the whole groaning creation, if the nation had not more delighted in servitude than in freedom"

"My actions are as noble as my thoughts, That never relish’d of a base descent.I came unto your court for honour’s cause, And not to be a rebel to her state; And he that otherwise accounts of me, This sword shall prove he’s honour’s enemy."

"Wählte Ungnade, wo Gehorsam nicht Ehre brachte."
DEFCON 0 - not at war
DEFCON 1 - at war "go to red alert!" "are you absolutely sure sir? it does mean changing the lightbulb."

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Postby Seleucas » Mon Sep 08, 2014 3:26 pm

Laerod wrote:
Seleucas wrote:Except I specifically mentioned there are monarchies today that don't tax as much as the US.

Such as?


Bahrain, for instance. (They do take a pretty large amount of revenue from oil, but that's only 25% of their economy nowadays, not so much more than Norway.)
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Postby Laerod » Mon Sep 08, 2014 3:29 pm

Seleucas wrote:
Laerod wrote:Such as?


Bahrain, for instance. (They do take a pretty large amount of revenue from oil, but that's only 25% of their economy nowadays, not so much more than Norway.)

Yeah, I figured it would be some country that had some rather unique criteria that can't actually be replicated. There aren't very many countries out there that can choose to be oil-rich.

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Postby The UK in Exile » Mon Sep 08, 2014 3:37 pm

Laerod wrote:
Seleucas wrote:
Bahrain, for instance. (They do take a pretty large amount of revenue from oil, but that's only 25% of their economy nowadays, not so much more than Norway.)

Yeah, I figured it would be some country that had some rather unique criteria that can't actually be replicated. There aren't very many countries out there that can choose to be oil-rich.


Not to mention a population that is approximately 50% migrant labour and a dismal human right record.
"We fought for the public good and would have enfranchised the people and secured the welfare of the whole groaning creation, if the nation had not more delighted in servitude than in freedom"

"My actions are as noble as my thoughts, That never relish’d of a base descent.I came unto your court for honour’s cause, And not to be a rebel to her state; And he that otherwise accounts of me, This sword shall prove he’s honour’s enemy."

"Wählte Ungnade, wo Gehorsam nicht Ehre brachte."
DEFCON 0 - not at war
DEFCON 1 - at war "go to red alert!" "are you absolutely sure sir? it does mean changing the lightbulb."

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Postby Seleucas » Sun Sep 14, 2014 11:51 am

Laerod wrote:
Seleucas wrote:
Bahrain, for instance. (They do take a pretty large amount of revenue from oil, but that's only 25% of their economy nowadays, not so much more than Norway.)

Yeah, I figured it would be some country that had some rather unique criteria that can't actually be replicated. There aren't very many countries out there that can choose to be oil-rich.


But many Middle Eastern countries are trying to get away from oil dependency, actually, with an increasingly large amount of their GDP being unrelated to hydrocarbons. But a republican government in the same circumstances will levy an abundance of taxes alongside whatever revenues they might accrue from oil and gas.

In any case, Bahrain would probably not be my first choice, I might prefer to live in Dubai, which has pretty much no income from oil.
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The State never intentionally confronts a man's sense, intellectual or moral, but only his body, his senses. It is not armed with superior wit or honesty, but with superior physical strength. I was not born to be forced.
- Henry David Thoreau

Oh please. Those people should grow up. The South will NOT rise again.

The Union will instead, fall.
-Distruzio

Dealing with a banking crisis was difficult enough, but at least there were public-sector balance sheets on to which the problems could be moved. Once you move into sovereign debt, there is no answer; there’s no backstop.
-Mervyn King, Governor of the Bank of England

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Postby Murkwood » Sun Sep 14, 2014 11:55 am

Constitutional, yes.
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Postby Rutuba » Sun Sep 14, 2014 11:57 am

It is at least as much acceptable as any elected form of government.

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Postby Distruzio » Sun Sep 14, 2014 12:22 pm

Murkwood wrote:Constitutional, yes.


Why merely constitutional?

Britain has no constitution. Would you say that the UK is a despotic nation of nations?
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Postby Infected Mushroom » Sun Sep 14, 2014 12:32 pm

It is acceptable.

I'd welcome a return to it for a change, so long as we pick a benevolent dictator to form the new lineage.

Its good if you want firm leadership, national unity, and decisiveness against the forces of evil.

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Postby Rutuba » Sun Sep 14, 2014 12:34 pm

Distruzio wrote:
Murkwood wrote:Constitutional, yes.


Why merely constitutional?

Britain has no constitution. Would you say that the UK is a despotic nation of nations?


Of course Britain has a constitution. It is not codified, but it certainly exists.

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Postby Immoren » Sun Sep 14, 2014 12:40 pm

Infected Mushroom wrote:It is acceptable.

I'd welcome a return to it for a change, so long as we pick a benevolent dictator to form the new lineage.

Its good if you want firm leadership, national unity, and decisiveness against the forces of evil.


Only if one who's job is to pick monarch is slightly deranged woman from mental ward and she chooses new monarch by giving them Zweinhänder.
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Postby Infected Mushroom » Sun Sep 14, 2014 1:16 pm

Immoren wrote:
Infected Mushroom wrote:It is acceptable.

I'd welcome a return to it for a change, so long as we pick a benevolent dictator to form the new lineage.

Its good if you want firm leadership, national unity, and decisiveness against the forces of evil.


Only if one who's job is to pick monarch is slightly deranged woman from mental ward and she chooses new monarch by giving them Zweinhänder.


no way...

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Postby Immoren » Sun Sep 14, 2014 1:28 pm

Infected Mushroom wrote:
Immoren wrote:
Only if one who's job is to pick monarch is slightly deranged woman from mental ward and she chooses new monarch by giving them Zweinhänder.


no way...


Yeah your right.
I forgot she should be given cabin at lake side
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Postby Monkeykind » Sun Sep 14, 2014 1:34 pm

Rutuba wrote:
Distruzio wrote:
Why merely constitutional?

Britain has no constitution. Would you say that the UK is a despotic nation of nations?


Of course Britain has a constitution. It is not codified, but it certainly exists.

I think this is it, not too sure: http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/UK_Constit ... Government

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