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Do you support the return of firing squads

Yes
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39%
No
26
10%
In some cases
42
17%
Not painful enough of a death
19
8%
No I am against the death sentence
66
27%
 
Total votes : 249

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Postby Rephesus » Fri Sep 05, 2014 12:17 pm

Othelos wrote:
Prezelly wrote:I support it because people who are in prison for years and wont ever come out are a drain and it is the most cost efficient option

the costs associated with the death penalty are much higher than the cost is to leave them in prison.

Source?

A life's worth of taxpayer dollars seems like it would be much more than a single injection to me, if you have evidence stating otherwise I'd like to see it.

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Postby Immoren » Fri Sep 05, 2014 12:19 pm

Rephesus wrote:
Othelos wrote:the costs associated with the death penalty are much higher than the cost is to leave them in prison.

Source?

A life's worth of taxpayer dollars seems like it would be much more than a single injection to me, if you have evidence stating otherwise I'd like to see it.


It's the process of making sure they are executing "right" person that makes it cos.
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Postby Memell » Fri Sep 05, 2014 12:21 pm

I think that death row inmates should be allowed to decide the way they will be executed. Of course, as long as it's not stupid shit, like being launched into the Sun.
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Othelos
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Postby Othelos » Fri Sep 05, 2014 12:21 pm

Rephesus wrote:
Othelos wrote:the costs associated with the death penalty are much higher than the cost is to leave them in prison.

Source?

A life's worth of taxpayer dollars seems like it would be much more than a single injection to me, if you have evidence stating otherwise I'd like to see it.

costs associated, not just the execution itself.

http://www.nbcnews.com/id/29552692/ns/u ... AoMqPldWSo
http://www.forbes.com/sites/kellyphilli ... h-penalty/

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Prezelly
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Postby Prezelly » Fri Sep 05, 2014 12:25 pm

Othelos wrote:
Rephesus wrote:Source?

A life's worth of taxpayer dollars seems like it would be much more than a single injection to me, if you have evidence stating otherwise I'd like to see it.

costs associated, not just the execution itself.

http://www.nbcnews.com/id/29552692/ns/u ... AoMqPldWSo
http://www.forbes.com/sites/kellyphilli ... h-penalty/

In the NBC article it says that prisoners on death row in cali are there for twenty years in some cases. Twenty years is the life sentence in some states. The appeals system needs reforming and if it were reformed it would be more cost effective to kill
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Great Nepal
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Postby Great Nepal » Fri Sep 05, 2014 12:26 pm

Prezelly wrote:

In the NBC article it says that prisoners on death row in cali are there for twenty years in some cases. Twenty years is the life sentence in some states. The appeals system needs reforming and if it were reformed it would be more cost effective to kill

While increasing the possibility of executing an innocent person, to me that is bad tradeoff.
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Prezelly
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Postby Prezelly » Fri Sep 05, 2014 12:28 pm

Great Nepal wrote:
Prezelly wrote:In the NBC article it says that prisoners on death row in cali are there for twenty years in some cases. Twenty years is the life sentence in some states. The appeals system needs reforming and if it were reformed it would be more cost effective to kill

While increasing the possibility of executing an innocent person, to me that is bad tradeoff.

Not if reforms also reach the investigative system.
Don't you just love our flawed systems?
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Great Nepal
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Postby Great Nepal » Fri Sep 05, 2014 12:30 pm

Prezelly wrote:
Great Nepal wrote:While increasing the possibility of executing an innocent person, to me that is bad tradeoff.

Not if reforms also reach the investigative system.
Don't you just love our flawed systems?

How do you plan on reforming these systems such that cost will be reduced while ensuring person is guilty beyond shadow of a doubt.
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Postby Prezelly » Fri Sep 05, 2014 12:33 pm

Great Nepal wrote:
Prezelly wrote:Not if reforms also reach the investigative system.
Don't you just love our flawed systems?

How do you plan on reforming these systems such that cost will be reduced while ensuring person is guilty beyond shadow of a doubt.

Mandatory DNA analysis of possible culprits would help significantly with little cost added.
Minus the years of waiting and it should be less costly
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Postby Othelos » Fri Sep 05, 2014 12:52 pm

Prezelly wrote:

In the NBC article it says that prisoners on death row in cali are there for twenty years in some cases. Twenty years is the life sentence in some states. The appeals system needs reforming and if it were reformed it would be more cost effective to kill

Again, the only way to do that would be to get rid of the appeals process.

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Postby Prezelly » Fri Sep 05, 2014 12:53 pm

Othelos wrote:
Prezelly wrote:In the NBC article it says that prisoners on death row in cali are there for twenty years in some cases. Twenty years is the life sentence in some states. The appeals system needs reforming and if it were reformed it would be more cost effective to kill

Again, the only way to do that would be to get rid of the appeals process.

And again. You don't need to be extreme and abolish it, you need to REFORM it
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Postby Othelos » Fri Sep 05, 2014 12:58 pm

Prezelly wrote:
Othelos wrote:Again, the only way to do that would be to get rid of the appeals process.

And again. You don't need to be extreme and abolish it, you need to REFORM it

how so?

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Postby Prezelly » Fri Sep 05, 2014 1:00 pm

Othelos wrote:
Prezelly wrote:And again. You don't need to be extreme and abolish it, you need to REFORM it

how so?

Heck if I know, but there are always better ways to do things. And the way we do it now is not efficient at all
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Postby Othelos » Fri Sep 05, 2014 1:03 pm

Prezelly wrote:
Othelos wrote:how so?

Heck if I know, but there are always better ways to do things. And the way we do it now is not efficient at all

If we got rid of it entirely, it wouldn't matter.

Luckily, I live in a state where capital punishment is outlawed, so taxpayers don't have the burden of the extra costs.

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Great Nepal
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Postby Great Nepal » Fri Sep 05, 2014 1:08 pm

Prezelly wrote:
Great Nepal wrote:How do you plan on reforming these systems such that cost will be reduced while ensuring person is guilty beyond shadow of a doubt.

Mandatory DNA analysis of possible culprits would help significantly with little cost added.
Minus the years of waiting and it should be less costly

Not all crimes have DNA evidence lying around. DNA like fingerprints does not prove that person committed the crime. This would firstly represent massive invasion of privacy and secondly most likely overwhelm the labs.
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Totalise
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Postby Totalise » Fri Sep 05, 2014 7:00 pm

Scomagia wrote:
Totalise wrote:actually yeah it dose. serial murderers and rapists are psychopaths people who can't feel for others

First, Psychopath is a medical term that I know you aren't qualified to assign. Second, the ability of person to rehabilitate and function in society requires first that the society tries to rehabilitate them. That hasn't happened, so we can't say with any sort of certainty who is or is not able to be rehabilitated.

isn't that the purpose of imprisonment? someone who kills other people because they want to is clearly unfit to exist in all but the most barbaric societies.

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Postby Noord » Sat Sep 06, 2014 8:29 pm

A humane death, no doubt.

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Postby The Orson Empire » Sat Sep 06, 2014 9:04 pm

Noord wrote:A humane death, no doubt.

There is no "humane" way to kill someone. It doesn't matter how you kill them. You are still killing them.

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Postby Lalaki » Sat Sep 06, 2014 10:31 pm

The Orson Empire wrote:
Noord wrote:A humane death, no doubt.

There is no "humane" way to kill someone. It doesn't matter how you kill them. You are still killing them.


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Postby True American States » Sat Sep 06, 2014 10:36 pm

Against thedeath penalty unless the individual commits high treason, terrorism or genocide.
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Postby Nazi Flower Power » Sat Sep 06, 2014 10:37 pm

Benuty wrote:
Gauthier wrote:
We just need to get rid of the appeals process. *nod nod*

Nothing like wait 15 years on death row spending much of it mentally rotting away to the point where mental illness becomes such a massive issue it is often swept under the rug. I mean there going to die anyway so why not treat them like shit too?
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I suspect just the stress of knowing they are on death row screws with people's heads regardless of how they are treated while they are there.
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Postby True American States » Sat Sep 06, 2014 10:47 pm

Also if a society is gonna kill people just do it. None of this put rubbing alcohol on the arm before you still the needle in. Do it like the French. Quick and easy. Stop this bullshit of we are gonna kill you but in a civilized way. If soldiers are blown up and shot in the head defending freedom why the heck are we putting up the illusion that a criminal marked for death should die in a more civilized way? Either we abolish the damn thing or we just kill people. Let's not do this middle of the road crap and pretend to be a just society.

Oh and if your society does chose to sanction murder let's make sure the punishment fits the crime. Let's not kill people for fraud or for writing bad checks. I'm looking at you China.
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