Firing Squad

[Pandeeria]

That brings up a good point...

Why don't we bring back gladiatorial games? We promise the winner freedom then we shoot them in the back of the head after its over and we've taken care of the problem and gotten some entertainment out of it

No. Barbaric, cruel, and disgusting.

[Empire of Narnia]

Firing squad is good but burning at stake better.

[Threlizdun]

So you acknowledge that the first proposal was monstrous but fail to see how the second one also is?

Whats monstrous about it? If someone does something so horrible we're willing to kill them as punishment, we may as well do it humanely, so death by firing squad is the most reasonable option in that its a guaranteed instant and painless death.

I am also a proponent of forced labour for criminals, so take that as you will

There is no "humane" way to unnecessarily kill someone. What is monstrous is that you propose killing them at all, not how you propose doing it.

[The Orson Empire]

What the fuck? You want them to live with that? Why?

Also, randomly making random people do it is just, strange and nonsensical. It seems like your stuck on this triviality.

Maybe because they're choosing to kill someone?

Making random people do it is a pretty sure-fire way of ending capital punishment. Somehow I doubt that most people in most First World societies could stomach the nature of capital punishment when they have to carry it out themselves.

This is a horrible idea. I mean come on, use your common sense, man. You know this wouldn't work.

[Pandeeria]

Personally I'm a proponent of forced labour for criminals, so naturally it would make sense to not kill off a valuable worker and to instead work them to death

perfectly reasonable

I'm joking, but I do think that death by firing squad should be permissible in some cases.

Forced labour is disgusting. If it's optional and it reduces someone's sentence, then I'm fine with it. However, if it's forced, it should be opposed.

I know you said you're joking, but is don't know if you were joking on the first bit about supporting forced labour of criminals.

[Galter Gulcher]

I hit a dinner plate with my AR today at about 100 yards.

Not bad. I had to shoot human-sized targets at ranges of up to 300 meters using an M16A2 at Ft Sill. The experience was rather unpleasant due to the cold.

The targets at Ft Sill are affectionately referred to as "Ivan."

Well to be fair I did have about a hour of practice before then today, so....

[Infected Mushroom]

If I were to asked to do my duty for the state by the responsible authorities (to carry out an execution) and I have faith in the government, I would do it without question and without any feelings of guilt.

It would be my duty as a member of the citizenry. I'm just following orders from the police. Its not my job to decide who is guilty and who isn't or who deserves what (the state, the police, and the courts... people who know far more than I have already done that).

So if Scomagia's suggestion were implemented and I was randomly selected, his trick would not work on me. So long as the people who are being executed were properly tried and sentenced and so long as they are extremely violent criminals, I shall do my civic duty in the name of justice and law and order.

I truly hope that I don't have to bloody my own hands because normally the state hires responsible professionals who take the black, but if this is the system they elect (one in which citizens are randomly selected to carry out the sword of justice), I would feel obligated to do my part without inconveniencing the state or having second thoughts.

[Gingeska]

A firing squad would be acceptable only if every citizen were put into a lottery to be on the firing squad. If a society is willing to have barbaric practices as law, they should be forced to take part in them and not shunt the burden onto someone else.

Or, or... You could apply for it.
That way those who really want to be executioners will be picked above those who don't. It's only fair.

And anyway it's not like you know if you were the killer or not anyway. They normally load one gun with a blank round-- so for all you know you didn't shoot anything.

[Pandeeria]

Firing squad is good but burning at stake better.

This right here lady and gents is the pinnacle of how society should work ^

[Scomagia]

Roman Empire put that shit in goddamn ampitheaters and people paid money to watch it. It could have the opposite of the intended effect.

Im pretty sure some messed-up people would be jumping at the opportunity.

Maybe because they're choosing to kill someone?

Making random people do it is a pretty sure-fire way of ending capital punishment. Somehow I doubt that most people in most First World societies could stomach the nature of capital punishment when they have to carry it out themselves.

Making everyone else feel guilty doesn't really help to stop capital punishment. I'm guessing some people would be very happy to put a mass-killer to death.

I'm guessing that those people would be heavily outweighed by the people disgusted at having to do it. If everyone shares the burden, I'm fairly certain Capital Punishment would disappear pretty fucking quick.

[The Orson Empire]

That brings up a good point...

Why don't we bring back gladiatorial games? We promise the winner freedom then we shoot them in the back of the head after its over and we've taken care of the problem and gotten some entertainment out of it

This isn't ancient Rome, for fuck's sakes!

Seriously, the ideas I am seeing in this thread are fucking terrible.

[Scomagia]

Personally I'm a proponent of forced labour for criminals, so naturally it would make sense to not kill off a valuable worker and to instead work them to death

perfectly reasonable

I'm joking, but I do think that death by firing squad should be permissible in some cases.

Forced labour is disgusting. If it's optional and it reduces someone's sentence, then I'm fine with it. However, if it's forced, it should be opposed.

I know you said you're joking, but is don't know if you were joking on the first bit about supporting forced labour of criminals.

You're okay with killing people but against forced labor. Fucking hilarious.

[Pandeeria]

If I were to asked to do my duty for the state by the responsible authorities (to carry out an execution) and I have faith in the government, I would do it without question and without any feelings of guilt.

It would be my duty as a member of the citizenry. I'm just following orders from the police. Its not my job to decide who is guilty and who isn't or who deserves what (the state, the police, and the courts... people who know far more than I have already done that).

So if Scomagia's suggestion were implemented and I was randomly selected, his trick would not work on me. So long as the people who are being executed were properly tried and sentenced and so long as they are extremely violent criminals, I shall do my civic duty in the name of justice and law and order.

I truly hope that I don't have to bloody my own hands because normally the state hires responsible professionals who take the black, but if this is the system they elect (one in which citizens are randomly selected to carry out the sword of justice), I would feel obligated to do my part without inconveniencing the state or having second thoughts.

It's easy now to say you'd do it without question nor guilt, however that's psychologically impossible unless you're a psychopath.

When you actually have the gun to the person's head, or the rifle aiming at them, you'll probably want to not do it. Even then, if you kill them, you'll feel so guilty.

It would be worse if proven later they were innocent.

[Scomagia]

Maybe because they're choosing to kill someone?

Making random people do it is a pretty sure-fire way of ending capital punishment. Somehow I doubt that most people in most First World societies could stomach the nature of capital punishment when they have to carry it out themselves.

This is a horrible idea. I mean come on, use your common sense, man. You know this wouldn't work.

This wouldn't make people vote against Capital Punishment? You're sure about that?

[Padnak]

Both the logical problem that prisoners would learn it is a ruse and the ethical problem that those are fucking human beings and not toys.

It wouldn't be a ruse, you either fight and get to live for a little longer maybe enter into a freedom lottery or something, or you die. If we're fine as a society with killing people, dressing it up and getting some entertainment out of it doesn't seem like its all that horrible

if we're fine with killing them, then why not with them killing each other for our entertainment

(I'm not a proponent of the idea, I'm just pointing out that its not any worse then simply killing the person)

[Infected Mushroom]

Im pretty sure some messed-up people would be jumping at the opportunity.



Making everyone else feel guilty doesn't really help to stop capital punishment. I'm guessing some people would be very happy to put a mass-killer to death.

I'm guessing that those people would be heavily outweighed by the people disgusted at having to do it. If everyone shares the burden, I'm fairly certain Capital Punishment would disappear pretty fucking quick.

or the majority of the citizens would just get used to it and treat it as part of every day life.

When first person shooters first came out they seemed really violent, now they are nothing to most people. If lotteries picking citizens to participate in executions became common place (just like jury duty or voting), then its only natural that society would adapt.

[Pandeeria]

Damn, imagine if we went along with Scomagia's idea, and later people put to death are proven innocent, imagine who the random executioner would feel then.

[The Orson Empire]

If I were to asked to do my duty for the state by the responsible authorities (to carry out an execution) and I have faith in the government, I would do it without question and without any feelings of guilt.

It would be my duty as a member of the citizenry. I'm just following orders from the police. Its not my job to decide who is guilty and who isn't or who deserves what (the state, the police, and the courts... people who know far more than I have already done that).

So if Scomagia's suggestion were implemented and I was randomly selected, his trick would not work on me. So long as the people who are being executed were properly tried and sentenced and so long as they are extremely violent criminals, I shall do my civic duty in the name of justice and law and order.

I truly hope that I don't have to bloody my own hands because normally the state hires responsible professionals who take the black, but if this is the system they elect (one in which citizens are randomly selected to carry out the sword of justice), I would feel obligated to do my part without inconveniencing the state or having second thoughts.

This is how totalitarian dictatorships start. People with your point of view do anything the state asks them to do without question. Look at what you are saying, man.

I do not think I could handle the guilt if I was forced to execute someone. I couldn't live with myself. On top of that, it violates my religion (Christianity), which states that I am not allowed to kill.

[Scomagia]

Whats monstrous about it? If someone does something so horrible we're willing to kill them as punishment, we may as well do it humanely, so death by firing squad is the most reasonable option in that its a guaranteed instant and painless death.

I am also a proponent of forced labour for criminals, so take that as you will

There is no "humane" way to unnecessarily kill someone. What is monstrous is that you propose killing them at all, not how you propose doing it.

Couldn't have put it better myself.

[Gingeska]

If the Government called me and was like: "Hey, you wanna kill a rapist?"

I'd be like "Hellll yeah I do."

Making people randomly carry out punishment would not and capital punishment.
It's not like they're killing shoplifters here, they're killing terrible, terrible people.

[The Fascist American Empire]

If I were to asked to do my duty for the state by the responsible authorities (to carry out an execution) and I have faith in the government, I would do it without question and without any feelings of guilt.

It would be my duty as a member of the citizenry. I'm just following orders from the police. Its not my job to decide who is guilty and who isn't or who deserves what (the state, the police, and the courts... people who know far more than I have already done that).

So if Scomagia's suggestion were implemented and I was randomly selected, his trick would not work on me. So long as the people who are being executed were properly tried and sentenced and so long as they are extremely violent criminals, I shall do my civic duty in the name of justice and law and order.

I truly hope that I don't have to bloody my own hands because normally the state hires responsible professionals who take the black, but if this is the system they elect (one in which citizens are randomly selected to carry out the sword of justice), I would feel obligated to do my part without inconveniencing the state or having second thoughts.

You wouldn't happen to be my exact clone, would you?

[United Marxist Nations]

Just use forced labor for those who can't be rehabilitated.

[Scomagia]

Damn, imagine if we went along with Scomagia's idea, and later people put to death are proven innocent, imagine who the random executioner would feel then.

I bet they'd work pretty hard to end Capital Punishment.

[Infected Mushroom]

If I were to asked to do my duty for the state by the responsible authorities (to carry out an execution) and I have faith in the government, I would do it without question and without any feelings of guilt.

It would be my duty as a member of the citizenry. I'm just following orders from the police. Its not my job to decide who is guilty and who isn't or who deserves what (the state, the police, and the courts... people who know far more than I have already done that).

So if Scomagia's suggestion were implemented and I was randomly selected, his trick would not work on me. So long as the people who are being executed were properly tried and sentenced and so long as they are extremely violent criminals, I shall do my civic duty in the name of justice and law and order.

I truly hope that I don't have to bloody my own hands because normally the state hires responsible professionals who take the black, but if this is the system they elect (one in which citizens are randomly selected to carry out the sword of justice), I would feel obligated to do my part without inconveniencing the state or having second thoughts.

It's easy now to say you'd do it without question nor guilt, however that's psychologically impossible unless you're a psychopath.

When you actually have the gun to the person's head, or the rifle aiming at them, you'll probably want to not do it. Even then, if you kill them, you'll feel so guilty.

It would be worse if proven later they were innocent.

so are you saying all professional executioners are psychopaths? that all soldiers are psychopaths or all policemen who open fire are psychopaths?

The truth of living in a real society is that from time to time for an important cause (national security or in this case justice and social protection), certain people have to be willing to swing swords.

This is how it has always been.

[Digital Planets]

I'd much rather go back to the time of the guillotine, really. Or fuck, maybe even gladiator sports.