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by Entmonton » Mon Sep 01, 2014 5:45 pm
by The Scientific States » Mon Sep 01, 2014 5:50 pm
Menassa wrote:The Scientific States wrote:
All of which make decent points, but they're untrue. It seems that Distruzio's argument boils down to "They reject the pope and many other inherently Christian traditions." However, just because one rejects several traditions, that doesn't make them not Christian. One doesn't have to follow every doctrine to be a Christian, so why does a Church have to do?
Perhaps it is his point that by rejecting tradition that makes them un-Christian.
by Distruzio » Mon Sep 01, 2014 5:52 pm
Entmonton wrote:This infighting and holier-than-thou attitudes people show to others in Christianity is why I left the church. That and Paganism just fit better, considering that a lot of traditions borrowed from it.
by Menassa » Mon Sep 01, 2014 5:53 pm
by Distruzio » Mon Sep 01, 2014 5:53 pm
The Orson Empire wrote:The Scientific States wrote:I fail to see how Protestantism isn't a branch of Christianity. The church "accepts" Christ, which by definition, is essentially the qualification for being considered a Christian church.
I really detest it when people try to say that their denomination is the true denomination, and all other beliefs are false. That really pisses me off.
by Distruzio » Mon Sep 01, 2014 5:54 pm
The Scientific States wrote:I fail to see how Protestantism isn't a branch of Christianity. The church "accepts" Christ, which by definition, is essentially the qualification for being considered a Christian church.
by Distruzio » Mon Sep 01, 2014 5:55 pm
by Nationes Pii Redivivi » Mon Sep 01, 2014 5:55 pm
by The Scientific States » Mon Sep 01, 2014 5:58 pm
by Lalaki » Mon Sep 01, 2014 6:29 pm
Entmonton wrote:This infighting and holier-than-thou attitudes people show to others in Christianity is why I left the church. That and Paganism just fit better, considering that a lot of traditions borrowed from it.
by Lavan Tiri » Mon Sep 01, 2014 6:54 pm
The Scientific States wrote:Distruzio wrote:
What is unclear about my argument to you?
The fact that you think a Church has to follow every single tradition, doctrine, and rule to be considered Christian. Yes, when Christianity was "founded", it was founded with Popes, Saints, and other various traditions, but my question to you is why must a Church follow and support every single one of those things? It seems overly dogmatic.
by The Union of the West » Mon Sep 01, 2014 7:05 pm
Distruzio wrote:The Scientific States wrote:
I'm aware of that, but it's a point that can be easily debunked. It's rather silly to say that if you don't follow every tradition, you're not a member of a certain religion.
How so? In the OP, I make it quite clear that I'm hoping someone can dispute my assertions and convince me otherwise because I fear for my own salvation due to my bigotry.
by The Orson Empire » Mon Sep 01, 2014 7:08 pm
by Lavan Tiri » Mon Sep 01, 2014 7:09 pm
The Orson Empire wrote:Distruzio wrote:
Seeing as how I don't say that, I wonder why you spewed such vitriol here?
You have stated that protestantism is not Christianity. It's the fucking title of your thread, for pete's sake. It pisses me off when people try to claim that their denomination is the true denomination.
by Constantinopolis » Mon Sep 01, 2014 7:15 pm
The Orson Empire wrote:Distruzio wrote:
Seeing as how I don't say that, I wonder why you spewed such vitriol here?
You have stated that protestantism is not Christianity. It's the fucking title of your thread, for pete's sake. It pisses me off when people try to claim that their denomination is the true denomination.
by Menassa » Mon Sep 01, 2014 7:26 pm
Constantinopolis wrote:The Orson Empire wrote:You have stated that protestantism is not Christianity. It's the fucking title of your thread, for pete's sake. It pisses me off when people try to claim that their denomination is the true denomination.
But that's not what he is claiming (not in this thread, I mean).
He is claiming that the definition of "Christianity" should be restricted to the ancient Churches with apostolic succession, and that Protestantism is a different religion which arose from Christianity, just like Christianity arose from Judaism (or Buddhism arose from Hinduism, etc). Whether any particular denomination is true is not the issue. The definition of "Christianity" is the issue.
(and in case you're wondering, I disagree with Distruzio on this - I think his definition of "Christianity" is far too narrow)
by GraySoap » Mon Sep 01, 2014 7:39 pm
by Menassa » Mon Sep 01, 2014 8:38 pm
GraySoap wrote:No, Protestants are a purification of Christianity. Wahabis are still Muslim. Lutherans, and their kin, are still Christian by the same virtue. Both have a focus on adherence to scripture over tradition.
by Chelta » Mon Sep 01, 2014 9:35 pm
Vuzghulia wrote:An uncivilized nation ... institutions do not meet civilized standards ... barely fit to be called a nation ... the people's beer smells like hobo-urine, their sports are silly and feminine ... your music is ridiculed ... nobody takes your politicians seriously ... it would be a public service if someone invaded and taught your people civilized ways.
Breheim wrote:Chelta is a den of deviants.
by Tmutarakhan » Mon Sep 01, 2014 10:31 pm
Menassa wrote:Menassa wrote:Half of all four gospels?
I highly doubt that.
And now a reading from the 23rd chapter of the Gospel of Matthew.
“The teachers of the law and the Pharisees sit in Moses’ seat. (That is they have the authority of Moses, how do we know this interpretation is true? Look on.) So you must be careful to do everything they tell you. But do not do what they do, for they do not practice what they preach.
Jesus states you must listen to what the Pharisees, those who uphold the tradition.
He does say to not do as they do for they are hypocrite, he attacks the practice and the not belief of those that believed in the Oral Law.
by Tekania » Mon Sep 01, 2014 10:33 pm
by Menassa » Mon Sep 01, 2014 10:34 pm
Tmutarakhan wrote:Menassa wrote:
15:1Then some Pharisees and teachers of the law came to Jesus from Jerusalem and asked, 2 “Why do your disciples break the tradition of the elders? They don’t wash their hands before they eat!”
3 Jesus replied, “And why do you break the command of God for the sake of your tradition?
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