Perntopia wrote:2 things. One, this is America you CANNOT do that. There is a bill of rights. 2. And is his name really John Doe?
the bill of rights says a school cant have a dress code?
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by Ethel mermania » Fri Aug 29, 2014 6:14 am
Perntopia wrote:2 things. One, this is America you CANNOT do that. There is a bill of rights. 2. And is his name really John Doe?
by Lalaki » Fri Aug 29, 2014 7:05 am
Ayreonia wrote:I'm guessing the school's problem is that if they allowed this "John Doe" to have dreads, they would have to let kids wear other "disruptive" hairstyles. And it doesn't look like a place that would want to do that.
by Ifreann » Fri Aug 29, 2014 7:13 am
by Ethel mermania » Fri Aug 29, 2014 8:18 am
by Soldati Senza Confini » Fri Aug 29, 2014 8:45 am
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by Threlizdun » Fri Aug 29, 2014 10:12 am
Nope, it's public, so they can't knowingly violate someone's religious freedom when it isn't harmful or disruptive to the school environment.Soldati senza confini wrote:The school is a private school. No Public School I know has a "registration" period; usually with public schools you get sent to the school that covers your area, unless other states apparently have other means to register children on the public education system.
That being said, if the school is a Parish school they can impose the dress codes they want, really.
by Jumalariik » Fri Aug 29, 2014 10:16 am
Yumyumsuppertime wrote:The Times-Picayune sums it up nicely.The ACLU of Louisiana sent a letter this week to Plaquemines Parish school officials contesting a Rastafari student's suspension in Port Sulphur for having dreadlocks that extend beyond the top of his shirt collar.
The ACLU letter, written by staff attorney Candice Sirmon, said "John Doe's religious faith is Rastafari, and wearing his hair in dreadlocks and not cutting his hair is central to his religious beliefs."
Plaquemines Superintendent Denis Rousselle could not be immediately reached for comment on Tuesday.
"The school administrators and Mr. Rousselle have prohibited John Doe from returning to school as long has his hair remains in dreadlocks, as his religion requires," Sirmon wrote.
Sirmon's letter said that on Aug. 8, the first day of the school at South Plaquemines High School, the student was told that he had to cut his hair and that, when he did not do so, he was not allowed to return to school.
"The school administrators and Mr. Rousselle have prohibited John Doe from returning to school as long has his hair remains in dreadlocks, as his religion requires," the letter states. "Despite his numerous attempts to attend school, John Doe has been forced to miss 10 of the first 1 days of this school year."
The ACLU states that it "is unconstitutional under both the First and Fourteenth Amendments to the United States Constitution and Article 1 § 8 of the Louisiana Constitution. Additionally, the school board's dress code policy is in violation of Louisiana's Preservation of Religious Freedom Act, La. R.S. § 13:5231 et seq."
In other words, despite the child's religious beliefs clearly stating that he is not to cut his hair, the school has indefinitely suspended him until he violates said beliefs. It's not even like he's looking for the right to smoke ganja in the hallways: he simply wants to be able to follow a simple, non-disruptive element of his faith. This shouldn't be any more of a controversy than a Catholic student wearing a cross, or a Hindu student wearing a bindi.
What's the general thought on this? Does the school have a good point? Should the student either cut his hair or find a private school? Or should he simply be allowed to follow the tenets of his religion so long as they are not disruptive to the education of his peers? If the dreadlocks are disruptive, how so, and could this possibly be solved by something short of a disruption to this particular student's education?
This shouldn't be any more of a controversy than a Catholic student wearing a cross, or a Hindu student wearing a bindi.
by Destiny Island » Fri Aug 29, 2014 10:18 am
by Jumalariik » Fri Aug 29, 2014 10:24 am
by Ethel mermania » Fri Aug 29, 2014 10:25 am
Soldati senza confini wrote:The school is a private school. No Public School I know has a "registration" period; usually with public schools you get sent to the school that covers your area, unless other states apparently have other means to register children on the public education system.
That being said, if the school is a Parish school they can impose the dress codes they want, really.
by Soldati Senza Confini » Fri Aug 29, 2014 10:28 am
Ethel mermania wrote:Soldati senza confini wrote:The school is a private school. No Public School I know has a "registration" period; usually with public schools you get sent to the school that covers your area, unless other states apparently have other means to register children on the public education system.
That being said, if the school is a Parish school they can impose the dress codes they want, really.
parishes is what louisiana calls townships. its a public school.
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by New Chalcedon » Fri Aug 29, 2014 10:37 am
Yumyumsuppertime wrote:*snips news source*
In other words, despite the child's religious beliefs clearly stating that he is not to cut his hair, the school has indefinitely suspended him until he violates said beliefs. It's not even like he's looking for the right to smoke ganja in the hallways: he simply wants to be able to follow a simple, non-disruptive element of his faith. This shouldn't be any more of a controversy than a Catholic student wearing a cross, or a Hindu student wearing a bindi.
What's the general thought on this? Does the school have a good point? Should the student either cut his hair or find a private school? Or should he simply be allowed to follow the tenets of his religion so long as they are not disruptive to the education of his peers? If the dreadlocks are disruptive, how so, and could this possibly be solved by something short of a disruption to this particular student's education?
by Des-Bal » Fri Aug 29, 2014 10:37 am
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by Ethel mermania » Fri Aug 29, 2014 10:38 am
by Lemanrussland » Fri Aug 29, 2014 12:59 pm
Magna Libero wrote:"John Doe"? Haha, how... proletariat-sounding?
Lol, private education would probably be the best anyway. A hairstyle is a reason enough to not let someone attend school? Ridiculous, that's not very efficient and not very nice either, I'm afraid...
by The New Sea Territory » Fri Aug 29, 2014 1:10 pm
Perntopia wrote:2 things. One, this is America you CANNOT do that. There is a bill of rights. 2. And is his name really John Doe?
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by The New Sea Territory » Fri Aug 29, 2014 1:11 pm
Lemanrussland wrote:Magna Libero wrote:"John Doe"? Haha, how... proletariat-sounding?
Lol, private education would probably be the best anyway. A hairstyle is a reason enough to not let someone attend school? Ridiculous, that's not very efficient and not very nice either, I'm afraid...
"John Doe" is a generic name used when you want to conceal the name of the person in question, or don't know their name. "Jane Doe" is usually used for females.
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by Scomagia » Fri Aug 29, 2014 1:43 pm
Canaore wrote:First of all, Rastafarianism isn't a religion. It's a cult. Second, I find it hard to believe that the student in question takes Rastafarianism seriously. He's probably just a pothead teenager who "converted" to Rastafarianism because "420 blaze it". Third, if his hairstyle was disrupting the class, the school had all the right to suspend him.
by Lleu llaw Gyffes » Fri Aug 29, 2014 2:48 pm
by Ethel mermania » Fri Aug 29, 2014 4:35 pm
Lleu llaw Gyffes wrote:Ethel mermania wrote:the bill of rights says a school cant have a dress code?
I'm sorry, Bill of Rights does NOT forbid dress code.
Pledge of Allegiance has Liberty and Justice for ALL, but that ain't legally binding.
Founding Fathers never expected that a School Board would consist of Nazi retard Fundamentalists, so they didn't make a Law to forbid it.
by Gauthier » Fri Aug 29, 2014 4:39 pm
New Chalcedon wrote:Yumyumsuppertime wrote:*snips news source*
In other words, despite the child's religious beliefs clearly stating that he is not to cut his hair, the school has indefinitely suspended him until he violates said beliefs. It's not even like he's looking for the right to smoke ganja in the hallways: he simply wants to be able to follow a simple, non-disruptive element of his faith. This shouldn't be any more of a controversy than a Catholic student wearing a cross, or a Hindu student wearing a bindi.
What's the general thought on this? Does the school have a good point? Should the student either cut his hair or find a private school? Or should he simply be allowed to follow the tenets of his religion so long as they are not disruptive to the education of his peers? If the dreadlocks are disruptive, how so, and could this possibly be solved by something short of a disruption to this particular student's education?
Silly rabbit - every right-thinking (or should that be "Right-thinking?") American knows that the First Amendment and the freedom of religion it enshrines only apply to Christianity!
by Infected Mushroom » Fri Aug 29, 2014 4:46 pm
Lavan Tiri wrote:Infected Mushroom wrote:the school should be shut down.
Rastafarian is a much more logical religion than many of the actually recognized ones. Yet the school spits on it because it doesn't have a billion followers and wasn't around at the time of the Founding Fathers.
If a kid wearing a crucifix had been suspended he would have filed a lawsuit (or merely threatened the school with one) and won.
Plus freedom to dress in schools man. Uniforms suck big time and no school should force people to wear them. It's not cool.
the school should be shut down. everyone involved in the mistreatment of this student should be blacklisted and reported as well as have their licenses revoked. Also, the student should be compensated a fair sum paid out of pocket by the school.
I expect fellow Rasta people will support their brother in arm...
Shut down....no.
Otherwise, get into a bunker. The world's ending.
by Warpspace » Fri Aug 29, 2014 4:55 pm
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