Neo-Conservatism: Bomb this thread, we have Oil

[Jocabia]

Given the thread title, I'm surprised there aren't more neocons in this thread claiming they joined the thread to spread freedom.

The point of the thread is to overthrow the tyrannical rule of Murkwood, and find his chemical weapons.

Oh. Wait...

And then we'd declare victory when we find some bomb casings and leftover pepper spray.

[Maineiacs]

When you overthrow the dictatorship and give the people control over there government that is liberation. Liberation means giving liberty it is what we did and should do more often.

*cough*Pinochet*cough*
*cough*Suharto*cough*
*cough*American-backed dictators*cough*

If you are opposed to liberty you are un American. Liberty is an American ideal.

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[Murkwood]

Ummm...stopping the spread of the Soviets kinda was our business back then.

you made it your business. The Soviets didn't threaten North America with nuclear missiles until you tried to threaten them with missiles in Turkey.

It didn't need to be that way. American foreign interventionism was wrong-headed. And no, NOT sending people to die in Vietnam would not mean that today we would all be speaking Russian.

The Cold War wasn't something we could turn our back on.

[Glorious Freedonia]

A dictatorship is not a legitimate government. When you overthrow the dictatorship and give the people control over there government that is liberation. Liberation means giving liberty it is what we did and should do more often.

If you are opposed to liberty you are un American. Liberty is an American ideal.

Tell me, what countries should we not invade; oh, sorry -- I meant liberate? I have a feeling that list for you would be shorter than the list of ones you think we should. BTW, last time I checked a dictionary the definition of "un-American" was not "dares to disagree with Glorious Freedonia".

Being soft on dictatorships is no virtue.

[Benuty]

you made it your business. The Soviets didn't threaten North America with nuclear missiles until you tried to threaten them with missiles in Turkey.

It didn't need to be that way. American foreign interventionism was wrong-headed. And no, NOT sending people to die in Vietnam would not mean that today we would all be speaking Russian.

The Cold War wasn't something we could turn our back on.

Yeah, but funding death squads, supporting genocide, and overthrowing democratic regimes kind of was something that needed its back turned on.

[The New Sea Territory]

Nonsense. Also the us does not invade anyone. We liberate the oppressed. Take your anti Americanism somewhere else like North Korea perhaps.

Go from here down and tell me we don't invade people.

We oppress the oppressed.

Reality is anti-America, too. Guess you must be anti-reality.

[Murkwood]

The Cold War wasn't something we could turn our back on.

Yeah, but funding death squads, supporting genocide, and overthrowing democratic regimes kind of was something that needed its back turned on.

Sometimes, the ends justify the means. You can't make an omelet without breaking a few eggs. It's truly sad, but we had to.

[Benuty]

Yeah, but funding death squads, supporting genocide, and overthrowing democratic regimes kind of was something that needed its back turned on.

Sometimes, the ends justify the means. You can't make an omelet without breaking a few eggs. It's truly sad, but we had to.

How exactly was supporting the Khmer rouge a testament to the "ends justifying the means"?

[The New Sea Territory]

A dictatorship is not a legitimate government. When you overthrow the dictatorship and give the people control over there government that is liberation. Liberation means giving liberty it is what we did and should do more often.

If you are opposed to liberty you are un American. Liberty is an American ideal.

Why? American Corporations are governed in a totalitarian manner.

So when the the Partisans took control of Yugoslavia and created a socialist state, you would applaud them?

No, America has never given liberty. Name any intervention, it gives no one liberty. War gives no liberty, ever.

You are opposed to liberty yourself, as I take it you support American intervention. Un-American!

Liberty is an ideal. America is an imaginary, arbitrary set of lines drawn on a map that is enforced by the state.

[The New Sea Territory]

Yeah, but funding death squads, supporting genocide, and overthrowing democratic regimes kind of was something that needed its back turned on.

Sometimes, the ends justify the means. You can't make an omelet without breaking a few eggs. It's truly sad, but we had to.

No we didn't, and no end justifies genocide.

[Kelinfort]

Yeah, but funding death squads, supporting genocide, and overthrowing democratic regimes kind of was something that needed its back turned on.

Sometimes, the ends justify the means. You can't make an omelet without breaking a few eggs. It's truly sad, but we had to.

Instead of supporting the Vietnamese who pulled out and let the UN handle it?

[Glorious Freedonia]

A dictatorship is not a legitimate government. When you overthrow the dictatorship and give the people control over there government that is liberation. Liberation means giving liberty it is what we did and should do more often.

If you are opposed to liberty you are un American. Liberty is an American ideal.

Why? American Corporations are governed in a totalitarian manner.

So when the the Partisans took control of Yugoslavia and created a socialist state, you would applaud them?

No, America has never given liberty. Name any intervention, it gives no one liberty. War gives no liberty, ever.

You are opposed to liberty yourself, as I take it you support American intervention. Un-American!

Liberty is an ideal. America is an imaginary, arbitrary set of lines drawn on a map that is enforced by the state.

American corporations are democratic fashion. Shareholders elect the board. The board is as active as it pleases. Why would you say that they act in a totalitarian way?

Violence in support of socialism is bad just like anything in support of socialism.

Wars that brought liberty include but are not limited to: Korean War, second Iraq war, both world wars, aid to Afghanistan against the soviets, aid to Israel, Spanish American war, Mexican war, Barbary coast war (freedom of the seas), some aspects of the Vietnam war such as regarding the Hmong, panama.
Other wars that brought or upheld liberty include the American and French revolutions, the afghan war vs ussr, various Israeli wars, and arguably the Boer War.

[Glorious Freedonia]

Sometimes, the ends justify the means. You can't make an omelet without breaking a few eggs. It's truly sad, but we had to.

No we didn't, and no end justifies genocide.

I almost agree with you on this. The only exception is when The Lord may have commanded the Israelites to kill everyone in one or more cities. The Lord also may have slain cities without our help. Since human life is under his control it is not Wong for him o do Hess things or have us do Hess things. I kind of have my doubts that he Lord actually commanded this and I am not sure that killing off a city is in fact genocide, but these are rather exceptional situations.

[Murkwood]

Sometimes, the ends justify the means. You can't make an omelet without breaking a few eggs. It's truly sad, but we had to.

How exactly was supporting the Khmer rouge a testament to the "ends justifying the means"?

The US fought aginst Khmer Rouge. We bombed them. Read about Operation Freedom Deal and Operation Menu.

[Kravanica]

I generally favor it. Small government, a free market, individual liberty and a strong military are necessary for us to succeed.

[Benuty]

How exactly was supporting the Khmer rouge a testament to the "ends justifying the means"?

The US fought aginst Khmer Rouge. We bombed them. Read about Operation Freedom Deal and Operation Menu.

Then why did Reagan fund them to fight the Vietnamese?

[The Lithuanian-Surinamese Caliphate]

I generally favor it. Small government, a free market, individual liberty and a strong military are necessary for us to succeed.

Because we deserve liberty from our government while foreigners don't.

Something about that seems a bit...backwards to me.

[Prezelly]

I agree with many of the points but not whole-heartedly

[District XIV]

I generally favor it. Small government, a free market, individual liberty and a strong military are necessary for us to succeed.

'Small government' and... 'a strong military'? Those don't go together.

[The New Sea Territory]

No we didn't, and no end justifies genocide.

I almost agree with you on this. The only exception is when The Lord may have commanded the Israelites to kill everyone in one or more cities. The Lord also may have slain cities without our help. Since human life is under his control it is not Wong for him o do Hess things or have us do Hess things. I kind of have my doubts that he Lord actually commanded this and I am not sure that killing off a city is in fact genocide, but these are rather exceptional situations.

The Lord is your subconscious personified.

American corporations are democratic fashion. Shareholders elect the board. The board is as active as it pleases. Why would you say that they act in a totalitarian way?

Violence in support of socialism is bad just like anything in support of socialism.

Wars that brought liberty include but are not limited to: Korean War, second Iraq war, both world wars, aid to Afghanistan against the soviets, aid to Israel, Spanish American war, Mexican war, Barbary coast war (freedom of the seas), some aspects of the Vietnam war such as regarding the Hmong, panama.
Other wars that brought or upheld liberty include the American and French revolutions, the afghan war vs ussr, various Israeli wars, and arguably the Boer War.

Sorry, oligarchic way that uses the state via bribery to invade other countries for easy markets, cheap labor and raw materials.

But is WAS for liberty and democracy. So, I'm guessing you really are just rationalizing any American intervention as "pro-liberty" and others as not-so-much.

The Korean War...we supported a dictatorship. Iraq was for oil. The First World War was a nationalistic way for us to build up our economy, because we joined the war at the very end, and the Second was for similar reasons to get us out of the Depression (though we were attacked, so it is somewhat legitimate). Israelis openly call for genocide of the Palestinians and are occupying their land. Spanish-American War was the most open example of American Imperialism. The Mexican War was the same way. Freedom of the Seas....you mean, America and Allies dominate. Nothing about Vietnam brought anything but death, oppression and suffering, and to argue that shows you are not a rational human being. Panama was a war that put out Noriega, who was a CIA installed leader that went rogue, so we went in to put in a new puppet government. American Revolution was "freedom for upper-class white men". French Revolution was quite socialist and largely a failure. Aid to Afghanistan led to the Taliban rule....where's your "liberty"? Israeli wars were basically Israel justifying invasions of Palestine, and what the hell did we do during the Boer War? Take off your rose-tinted glasses.

[The New Sea Territory]

How exactly was supporting the Khmer rouge a testament to the "ends justifying the means"?

The US fought aginst Khmer Rouge. We bombed them. Read about Operation Freedom Deal and Operation Menu.

The CIA installed Pol Pot....

[Kravanica]

I generally favor it. Small government, a free market, individual liberty and a strong military are necessary for us to succeed.

Because we deserve liberty from our government while foreigners don't.

Something about that seems a bit...backwards to me.

Uh... Yeah. The actual citizens of this country deserve more liberty from its government than foreigners do.

That's how basically every country is.

[Kravanica]

I generally favor it. Small government, a free market, individual liberty and a strong military are necessary for us to succeed.

'Small government' and... 'a strong military'? Those don't go together.

How, exactly?

[The Lithuanian-Surinamese Caliphate]

Because we deserve liberty from our government while foreigners don't.

Something about that seems a bit...backwards to me.

Uh... Yeah. The actual citizens of this country deserve more liberty from its government than foreigners do.

That's how basically every country is.

And countries have borders for a reason. We get to impose our laws inside of them, not outside.

[The New Sea Territory]

Because we deserve liberty from our government while foreigners don't.

Something about that seems a bit...backwards to me.

Uh... Yeah. The actual citizens of this country deserve more liberty from its government than foreigners do.

That's how basically every country is.

Nationalistic Nonsense doesn't trump inalienable rights, does it?

How, exactly?

Military is part of the state. Bigger, Stronger Military=Bigger, Stronger State. Big State="Big Government". You cannot be for small government, which is really a libertarian claim anyway, and be for "strong defense" or whatever euphemism for the military-industrial complex Neocons use nowadays.