Can Rand Paul beat Hillary?

[Ieperithem]

Only if he can present himself as legitimate and mature despite his age and reputation as a fringe figure. Even then, it really depends on how the wind is blowing. If the economy continues to fare poorly and the intervention in Iraq fails, he's got a fair chance. If Russia grows as a threat and/or the economy somehow manages a miracle, then the GOP would be better off running a more 'mainstream' candidate, preferably a governor or former governor with a good economic record.

[Soselo]

Only wrong about a few things, like their stance on nuclear power and GMO's. They could also relax a bit on some other things, but they're much better than any of the two big parties.

I don't like the idea of a party that's based on feelings, and that's what the Greens seem to me to be. It's PC Social Justice, without any serious/reasonable proposals.

Social justice is actually quite the serious fucking proposal.

[Washington Resistance Army]

Only wrong about a few things, like their stance on nuclear power and GMO's. They could also relax a bit on some other things, but they're much better than any of the two big parties.

I don't like the idea of a party that's based on feelings, and that's what the Greens seem to me to be. It's PC Social Justice, without any serious/reasonable proposals.

Not really, they have a lot of good proposals pertaining to healthcare and some decent economic ideas laid out in their platform.

[Murkwood]

I don't like the idea of a party that's based on feelings, and that's what the Greens seem to me to be. It's PC Social Justice, without any serious/reasonable proposals.

Not really, they have a lot of good proposals pertaining to healthcare and some decent economic ideas laid out in their platform.

Like?

[Death Metal]

Rand Paul wouldn't be able to win the election. Even if the Democrats nominate an inanimate carbon rod (which has more of a personality than Rand) or a jellyfish (which has more of a spine).

There's about seven billion people who are better candidates than him, and all of them would make a better president.

[Washington Resistance Army]

Not really, they have a lot of good proposals pertaining to healthcare and some decent economic ideas laid out in their platform.

Like?

Reforming the tax code to remove loopholes, progressive taxation, ending corporate welfare, restoring things like the estate tax things like that.

[Geilinor]

If the economy continues to fare poorly and the intervention in Iraq fails, he's got a fair chance.

It depends if ISIS is still a threat. That could go both ways. Republicans might want more interventionism if things in Iraq and with Russia aren't going well, or they might want less.

[Murkwood]

Like?

Reforming the tax code to remove loopholes, progressive taxation, ending corporate welfare, restoring things like the estate tax things like that.

You lost me at "progressive".

[Washington Resistance Army]

Reforming the tax code to remove loopholes, progressive taxation, ending corporate welfare, restoring things like the estate tax things like that.

You lost me at "progressive".

What's wrong with progressive taxes?

[Wisconsin9]

You lost me at "progressive".

What's wrong with progressive taxes?

He said progressive, not taxes.

[Geilinor]

You lost me at "progressive".

What's wrong with progressive taxes?

Even most Republicans support progressive taxes.

[Murkwood]

You lost me at "progressive".

What's wrong with progressive taxes?

I'd love to argue, but this is getting rather close to a threadjack.

[Death Metal]

Like?

Reforming the tax code to remove loopholes, progressive taxation, ending corporate welfare, restoring things like the estate tax things like that.

Still too anti-technology and too heavy-handed in business regulation for my taste.

Social Dems are better, but they'll never be taken seriously because as soon as one gets popular the right-wing media will be all BURN THE COMMIE.

[Wisconsin9]

What's wrong with progressive taxes?

I'd love to argue, but this is getting rather close to a threadjack.

In other words, no, you wouldn't love to argue, you'd just love to make it look like you believe you're right.

[Washington Resistance Army]

What's wrong with progressive taxes?

I'd love to argue, but this is getting rather close to a threadjack.

True true, back on topic. IMO, I just don't see Rand beating her.

[Death Metal]

I'd love to argue, but this is getting rather close to a threadjack.

True true, back on topic. IMO, I just don't see Rand beating her.

It'll have the decisiveness of the 2008 election, with the epic mass BSOD of the entire GOP base of 2012.

[Murkwood]

I'd love to argue, but this is getting rather close to a threadjack.

In other words, no, you wouldn't love to argue, you'd just love to make it look like you believe you're right.

This is a catch-22. If I continue, the threadjack will get worse as more join in. If I stop, I'm accused of this.

[Washington Resistance Army]

True true, back on topic. IMO, I just don't see Rand beating her.

It'll have the decisiveness of the 2008 election, with the epic mass BSOD of the entire GOP base of 2012.

Sounds exciting

[Death Metal]

If the economy continues to fare poorly and the intervention in Iraq fails, he's got a fair chance.

It depends if ISIS is still a threat. That could go both ways. Republicans might want more interventionism if things in Iraq and with Russia aren't going well, or they might want less.

To be fair, that hawkishness may also work againt them, see John McCain and his wanting us to be in Iraq for over a hundred years (or as Terry Funk would put it, FOREVER!)

[Fortis Bellator]

Hopefully there's a chance an independent can win in 2016. The last thing we need is another Clinton.

[The Serbian Empire]

It depends if ISIS is still a threat. That could go both ways. Republicans might want more interventionism if things in Iraq and with Russia aren't going well, or they might want less.

To be fair, that hawkishness may also work againt them, see John McCain and his wanting us to be in Iraq for over a hundred years (or as Terry Funk would put it, FOREVER!)

Rand Paul might be the hero the GOP needs then if it worked against McCain.

[Death Metal]

To be fair, that hawkishness may also work againt them, see John McCain and his wanting us to be in Iraq for over a hundred years (or as Terry Funk would put it, FOREVER!)

Rand Paul might be the hero the GOP needs then if it worked against McCain.

Actually it would just hurt them more by alienating their own base. It's a no-win scenario; perpetuate their warhawk stereotype or backtrack on their own message that we're being too soft on foreign affairs.

[The Serbian Empire]

Rand Paul might be the hero the GOP needs then if it worked against McCain.

Actually it would just hurt them more by alienating their own base. It's a no-win scenario.

I think the base would still vote for Rand Paul than to have a Democrat in office.

[54e]

The only thing Rand Paul could beat is... is... *tries to come up with joke about him plagiarizing Wikipedia*

[Atlanticatia]

Nope. He's way too socially conservative and his moderate drug policy is canceled out by the fact that Hillary made some comments implying a looser stance on marijuana. He's a LINO.. Libertarian In Name Only.
I shudder to think of the day when a Tea Partier is in the White House.

Hillary is centrist enough that she'll pick up some of the more moderate Republican vote, too.