Can Rand Paul beat Hillary?

[Othelos]

It hurts my eyes, how racist some of his comments are.

Give me an example?

"welfare is destroying black families"

[Atlanticatia]

Divorce has nothing to do with welfare.

The marriage rate has decreased & the divorce rate has increased because of the sexual revolution, and a decline in overall religiosity of the American population.

As socially liberal as I am, I feel like this "sexual revolution" has long term consequences for the United States. More children are born outside of wedlock, more people are having less protected relationships, etc. I feel like this contributes to poverty in some way.

A nuclear family isn't necessary to be a good family. It is true that many single parent households are poor, but this is more because the other parent doesn't support the child, and we don't have an adequate support network for changing family situations. I do see what you're saying there.

However, @Freiheit Reich:

Blacks proportionally enjoy using welfare more than whites

People are enjoying using welfare? Nobody enjoys using welfare. People want good jobs, not welfare. Comments like this are racist, and ignore the complex socioeconomic history of race relations in the United States.

[Othelos]

ok then where are the sources

He is a GMU professor:

http://econfaculty.gmu.edu/wew/

>the author is named Jason Riley
>you link me to someone named Walter Williams

[Othelos]

If the parents don't stay together, then yes, the children are more likely to be in poverty (there's less income for the family overall).

Technically, doesn't matter if they are married or cohabitating, but relationships where the couple is cohabitating and not married are more likely to fail

I believe that people should wait until they are in a committed relationship, and are financially stable before doing things that could cause a pregnancy. But there are dreams that cannot be.

I agree with you.

[Freiheit Reich]

The NBA is highly competitive and yet most basketball players are black. This is a very high paying job and thousands from all races compete for these jobs. This is proof that racism against blacks is not as common as you think.

No it fucking isn't. NBA players don't represent even 5 fucking percent of the entire job market.

The key is to work hard to be the best person for the job and you will get hired, regardless of race.

Which is why when black people have an identical resume to a white person, they are significantly less likely to get a callback.

Race is not listed on a resume, names are. A white person named Lakeesha will be less likely to get a call back as well. Why? Because people see the weird names as children of radical parents. A child named Rainbow or Apple will be taken less seriously in the job market as well. People know the apple often doesn't fall far from the tree. Who wants a radical in their workplace. Names also can increase your chances of being a criminal. People stereotype names but the stereotypes might actually be valid:

http://articles.latimes.com/2009/feb/07 ... n/oe-daum7

the new study purports to show a link between name and outcome: The more unpopular your name, the more likely you are to land in juvenile hall.

The Shippensburg researchers first assigned a popularity score to boys' names, based on how often they showed up in birth records in an undisclosed state from 1987 to 1991. Michael, the No. 1 boy's name, had a Popular Name Index score of 100; names such as Malcolm and Preston had index scores of 1.

The researchers then assessed names of young men born during that time who landed in the juvenile justice system. They found that only half had a rating higher than 11. By comparison, in the general population, half of the names scored higher than 20. The take-away? "A 10% increase in the popularity of a name is associated with a 3.7% decrease in the number of juvenile delinquents who have that name."

[Mavorpen]

He is a GMU professor:

http://econfaculty.gmu.edu/wew/

>the author is named Jason Riley
>you link me to someone named Walter Williams

The author's name is Jason Riley, but he's quoting some guy named Walter Williams, who provides the bulk of the claims.

[Mavorpen]

Race is not listed on a resume, names are.

Well, thanks for essentially proving you've never had a job in your life.

A white person named Lakeesha will be less likely to get a call back as well. Why?

Because of racism, of course.

Because people see the weird names as children of radical parents. A child named Rainbow or Apple will be taken less seriously in the job market as well. People know the apple often doesn't fall far from the tree. Who wants a radical in their workplace. Names also can increase your chances of being a criminal. People stereotype names but the stereotypes might actually be valid:

Which is irrelevant, because even when you control for these things, the disparity STILL exists. Also, nice to see you continuing this crusade of posting racist shit.

[Lalaki]

As socially liberal as I am, I feel like this "sexual revolution" has long term consequences for the United States. More children are born outside of wedlock, more people are having less protected relationships, etc. I feel like this contributes to poverty in some way.

A nuclear family isn't necessary to be a good family. It is true that many single parent households are poor, but this is more because the other parent doesn't support the child, and we don't have an adequate support network for changing family situations. I do see what you're saying there.

Like I said, I believe that people should wait until they are in a committed relationship, and are financially stable before doing things that could cause a pregnancy. But there are dreams that cannot be.

[Atlanticatia]

Race is not listed on a resume, names are. A white person named Lakeesha will be less likely to get a call back as well. Why?

Because of racism, of course.

Because people see the weird names as children of radical parents. A child named Rainbow or Apple will be taken less seriously in the job market as well. People know the apple often doesn't fall far from the tree. Who wants a radical in their workplace. Names also can increase your chances of being a criminal. People stereotype names but the stereotypes might actually be valid:

Which is irrelevant, because even when you control for these things, the disparity STILL exists.

Also, the difference is that names like "Rainbow" or "Apple" are very, very rare in the white population, while "non-white sounding names" are, obviously, more prevalent in non-white communities. The difference is that when someone doesn't get a callback because of their name sounding "black", it's because of racism and discrimination.

[Othelos]

>the author is named Jason Riley
>you link me to someone named Walter Williams

The author's name is Jason Riley, but he's quoting some guy named Walter Williams, who provides the bulk of the claims.

Ok.

I skimmed the article, and the focus is on government economic policies, not welfare specifically (which is barely mentioned).

It's pretty clear that Freiheit didn't read the article.

[Mavorpen]

Because of racism, of course.

Which is irrelevant, because even when you control for these things, the disparity STILL exists.

Also, the difference is that names like "Rainbow" or "Apple" are very, very rare in the white population, while "non-white sounding names" are, obviously, more prevalent in non-white communities. The difference is that when someone doesn't get a callback because of their name sounding "black", it's because of racism and discrimination.

"Well, white people can have black sounding names too!" is the stupidest argument I've ever heard.

I mean, for example, suppose a business had "have you ever had homosexual intercourse?" on a job application and then we found out that people who said yes were significantly less likely to receive a callback. Sure, you can argue "This isn't discrimination against homosexuals! Heterosexuals can have homosexual intercourse as well!" It's so incredibly asinine and silly that I cannot believe anyone would argue that with a straight face.

Yet, we have someone essentially arguing this in the case of race.

[Freiheit Reich]

Because of racism, of course.

Which is irrelevant, because even when you control for these things, the disparity STILL exists.

Also, the difference is that names like "Rainbow" or "Apple" are very, very rare in the white population, while "non-white sounding names" are, obviously, more prevalent in non-white communities. The difference is that when someone doesn't get a callback because of their name sounding "black", it's because of racism and discrimination.

If a black man is named Henry Mitchell vs. Jamal Mitchell he will be more likely to be called back. Why? People will assume the man named Henry has more normal parents.

I admit, I stereotype weird names as well. If you see a man named Adolph Hitler Smith what would you think? Would you be as likely to call him in for an interview? Many people would judge him by his name without even meeting him. It works against all races. Give your children a proper name (and avoid naming him after infamous people as well).

There are blacks with mainstream names as well. It is not required to give blacks a strange name when they are born.

[Lalaki]

I think we should get back on topic...

[Death Metal]

Because of racism, of course.

Which is irrelevant, because even when you control for these things, the disparity STILL exists.

Also, the difference is that names like "Rainbow" or "Apple" are very, very rare in the white population, while "non-white sounding names" are, obviously, more prevalent in non-white communities. The difference is that when someone doesn't get a callback because of their name sounding "black", it's because of racism and discrimination.

Not to mention that FR's claim that ethnic names are "weird" and "radical" and that if you have one you're more likely to end up being a criminal. That's some KKK level racism there.

[Mavorpen]

Also, the difference is that names like "Rainbow" or "Apple" are very, very rare in the white population, while "non-white sounding names" are, obviously, more prevalent in non-white communities. The difference is that when someone doesn't get a callback because of their name sounding "black", it's because of racism and discrimination.

If a black man is named Henry Mitchell vs. Jamal Mitchell he will be more likely to be called back. Why? People will assume the man named Henry has more normal parents.

And that's fucking racist.

I admit, I stereotype weird names as well. If you see a man named Adolph Hitler Smith what would you think? Would you be as likely to call him in for an interview?

Yes. Because I'm not a fucking child that superficially judges people in a manner that you'd find on a children's playground.

Many people would judge him by his name without even meeting him. It works against all races. Give your children a proper name (and avoid naming him after infamous people as well).

Yeah, keep on posting racist shit like saying names that are used more by blacks aren't proper.

There are blacks with mainstream names as well. It is not required to give blacks a strange name when they are born.

And when a woman gets raped while wearing shorts, she deserved it for turning the man on, right?

[Atlanticatia]

Also, the difference is that names like "Rainbow" or "Apple" are very, very rare in the white population, while "non-white sounding names" are, obviously, more prevalent in non-white communities. The difference is that when someone doesn't get a callback because of their name sounding "black", it's because of racism and discrimination.

If a black man is named Henry Mitchell vs. Jamal Mitchell he will be more likely to be called back. Why? People will assume the man named Henry has more normal parents.

I admit, I stereotype weird names as well. If you see a man named Adolph Hitler Smith what would you think? Would you be as likely to call him in for an interview? Many people would judge him by his name without even meeting him. It works against all races. Give your children a proper name (and avoid naming him after infamous people as well).

There are blacks with mainstream names as well. It is not required to give blacks a strange name when they are born.

That's racist. There's literally no justification for that statement.

What do you suppose we do, create a list of baby names people can use, all while forcing all non-white people to abandon their cultures to conform? No. We stop blaming the victims of racism, and actively work to attack racism and promote multiculturalism and fairness.

[The Black Forrest]

I feel like that is a consequence of our historically discriminatory society. Yes, obviously things have been getting better since the 1960's, but there is a large trend going on here.

The NBA is highly competitive and yet most basketball players are black. This is a very high paying job and thousands from all races compete for these jobs. This is proof that racism against blacks is not as common as you think.

The key is to work hard to be the best person for the job and you will get hired, regardless of race.

False equivalency for the win!

[The Black Forrest]

ok then where are the sources

He is a GMU professor:

http://econfaculty.gmu.edu/wew/

Oh a Randie. I see why you like him......

[Lalaki]

Do you guys think Rand Paul is similar to his father, Ron?

[The Black Forrest]

Do you guys think Rand Paul is similar to his father, Ron?

Nope. Rand is basically a copy of a copy.

I don't know of any instances where Ron sprinted from an embarrassing question.

I don't know of Ron making a statement and later talking like he never said it.

But then again. Ron and Rand are not something I care about. Well at least to make sure Rand is as successful at getting into the oval office as his dad.....

[The Black Forrest]

Also, the difference is that names like "Rainbow" or "Apple" are very, very rare in the white population, while "non-white sounding names" are, obviously, more prevalent in non-white communities. The difference is that when someone doesn't get a callback because of their name sounding "black", it's because of racism and discrimination.

If a black man is named Henry Mitchell vs. Jamal Mitchell he will be more likely to be called back. Why? People will assume the man named Henry has more normal parents.

I admit, I stereotype weird names as well. If you see a man named Adolph Hitler Smith what would you think? Would you be as likely to call him in for an interview? Many people would judge him by his name without even meeting him. It works against all races. Give your children a proper name (and avoid naming him after infamous people as well).

There are blacks with mainstream names as well. It is not required to give blacks a strange name when they are born.

Well now. Where do you live? I am wondering if you are a cousin. You talk like one.

[Death Metal]

I don't know of Ron making a statement and later talking like he never said it.

He did quote his racist newsletters (which also were personally printed and published by him) verbatim then ten years later denied he ever read them.

And then left before the press could follow up.

So, there's that.

[The Black Forrest]

I don't know of Ron making a statement and later talking like he never said it.

He did quote his racist newsletters (which also were personally printed and published by him) verbatim then ten years later denied he ever read them.

And then left before the press could follow up.

So, there's that.

Oh yeah. That slipped my mind.

[Death Metal]

What do you suppose we do, create a list of baby names people can use, all while forcing all non-white people to abandon their cultures to conform? No. We stop blaming the victims of racism, and actively work to attack racism and promote multiculturalism and fairness.

Someone just checked their NS Issues

Seriously though, this. Rose by any other name is still a flower with thorns that's considered romantic for some reason.

[Nationes Pii Redivivi]

What do you suppose we do, create a list of baby names people can use, all while forcing all non-white people to abandon their cultures to conform? No. We stop blaming the victims of racism, and actively work to attack racism and promote multiculturalism and fairness.

Someone just checked their NS Issues

Seriously though, this. Rose by any other name is still a flower with thorns that's considered romantic for some reason.

I think we should have respectable, white, middle class families name their children names like "Mo'nique" and "Shaniqua" or whatever.