Can Rand Paul beat Hillary?

[Freiheit Reich]

Are you sure? Stacey Dash said something different:

Actress Stacey Dash Admits 'I Voted For Obama Because He's Black,' Says Administration Is 'A Bunch Of Bullies'

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/actress-s ... 00680.html

Yes, I can't possibly imagine why a Romney supporter in 2012 would want to characterize her previous support of Obama in 2008 as racially-based. That would totally not support any pre-existing GOP narrative that formed a key plank of the Romney campaign's rickety electoral raft.

Samuel L. Jackson did it also:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/02/1 ... 71797.html

Samuel L. Jackson made a surprising confession in the March issue of Ebony.

"I voted for Barack because he was black. Cause that’s why other folks vote for other people — because they look like them," Jackson said, according to the New York Post.

He contended that Obama's message wasn't important, since he believes most politicians will say anything to get elected.

"That’s American politics, pure and simple. [Obama’s] message didn’t mean [anything] to me. In the end, he’s a politician. I just hoped he would do some of what he said he was gonna do. I know politicians ... lie cause they want to get elected," he continued, according to TMZ.

The president is banking on African American support for November's election. Earlier this month, he unveiled a new push to court black voters.

"He needs the support of the African-American community in order to continue to bring positive change to our community," campaign advisor Stefanie Brown told The Huffington Post.

However, not everyone in the community thinks race is enough of a reason to vote for Obama. J.C. Watts, a prominent black Republican, is a vocal Newt Gingrich supporter and Princeton professor Cornel West told Sean Hannity that while he believed the president deserves a second term, he wished he would be "more intense in terms of his commitment to poor and working people."

[The Black Forrest]

Neither of Which have any bearing on the ability to do the job of PotUS.

An education that has no applicability to the job of PotUS.

Absolute bullshit.

If you are going to send troops to combat, you really should have military service. Perhaps Ron Paul is less of a war hawk because he knows what it is like to be in the military (full time-not on weekend warrior status like Bush).

So what combat did Ron see?

Bush, Clinton, and Obama can easily send troops to combat because they have no sympathy for soldiers.

And you base this on what? You might want to see our other wars say Viet Nam and look at the military backgrounds of the sitting Presidents.

Your argument is rather weak....

[The Black Forrest]

Yes, I can't possibly imagine why a Romney supporter in 2012 would want to characterize her previous support of Obama in 2008 as racially-based. That would totally not support any pre-existing GOP narrative that formed a key plank of the Romney campaign's rickety electoral raft.

Samuel L. Jackson did it also:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/02/1 ... 71797.html

Samuel L. Jackson made a surprising confession in the March issue of Ebony.

"I voted for Barack because he was black. Cause that’s why other folks vote for other people — because they look like them," Jackson said, according to the New York Post.

He contended that Obama's message wasn't important, since he believes most politicians will say anything to get elected.

"That’s American politics, pure and simple. [Obama’s] message didn’t mean [anything] to me. In the end, he’s a politician. I just hoped he would do some of what he said he was gonna do. I know politicians ... lie cause they want to get elected," he continued, according to TMZ.

The president is banking on African American support for November's election. Earlier this month, he unveiled a new push to court black voters.

"He needs the support of the African-American community in order to continue to bring positive change to our community," campaign advisor Stefanie Brown told The Huffington Post.

However, not everyone in the community thinks race is enough of a reason to vote for Obama. J.C. Watts, a prominent black Republican, is a vocal Newt Gingrich supporter and Princeton professor Cornel West told Sean Hannity that while he believed the president deserves a second term, he wished he would be "more intense in terms of his commitment to poor and working people."

Ok. You found one. Have any more?

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Ok two counting Dash. Is that all?

[Death Metal]

Is Rand Paul really that extreme? It seems the war-hawk (Clinton) is more extreme than the one that says we need to focus on our own country first. Libertarians are less extreme than mainstream republicans and mainstream democrats when you think about it. How is supporting a more authoritarian government considered less extreme? Rand Paul is not libertarian but he is closer to that viewpoint than Hillary or many other republicans.

It's considered less extreme because Rand wants to ban abortion and opposes LGBT rights.

And Paul actually supports extreme authoritarianism on the state level due to the State's "Rights" theory and the policies that dogma is tied to (including legislators in his home state attempting to set up a state religion).

[Wickedly evil people]

neither one of them can get nominated so *shrugs*

[Farnhamia]

neither one of them can get nominated so *shrugs*

Indeed? Care to elaborate? I don't see anyone capable of denying Mrs. Clinton the nomination if she declares herself a candidate.

[Ashmoria]

ive never seen a 3rd party candidate who would have had massively more support if only he had more money/exposure/better spot on the ballot.

they are pretty much all nutz who need to be kept as far away from office as possible

.....

excepting people like lisa Murkowski, joe Lieberman and Charlie crist who were mainstream politicians forced by circumstance to run outside their major party.

Compare Clinton, Bush, and Ron Paul. Who seems the more suitable presidential choice? Who is more extreme?

Bush: Patriot Act, 9/11 attacks (possible involvement), Iraq Invasion, prolonged Afghanistan invasion, Sarbanes-Oxley Act (hurts corporations), avoided serving his country in Vietnam War, DUI arrest, possible cocaine use

Bill Clinton-adultery, perjury charges, supported Kosovo terrorists, avoided serving his country during Vietnam War

Ron Paul: Respected real world experience (served as a flight surgeon in the U.S. Air Force from 1963 to 1968. He worked as an obstetrician-gynecologist from the 1960s to the 1980s, delivering more than 4,000 babies); more education than Clinton, Bush, and Obama (Gettysburg College and the Duke University School of Medicine); so far no adultery charges and a successful marriage, against Iraq War, has guts to say no to his own party if they make bad choices (not a slave to his party), believes races should be treated equally (no affirmative action)

even with hindsight I would choose W over ron paul.

Clinton is obviously the best of the 3

[Geilinor]

ive never seen a 3rd party candidate who would have had massively more support if only he had more money/exposure/better spot on the ballot.

they are pretty much all nutz who need to be kept as far away from office as possible

.....

excepting people like lisa Murkowski, joe Lieberman and Charlie crist who were mainstream politicians forced by circumstance to run outside their major party.

9/11 attacks (possible involvement)

Now I know you're just a conspiracy theorist.

[Murkwood]

9/11 attacks (possible involvement)

Now I know you're just a conspiracy theorist.

Hey, I didn't even notice that. Good catch.

[Freiheit Reich]

9/11 attacks (possible involvement)

Now I know you're just a conspiracy theorist.

Sorry to disappoint you but 9/11 was an inside job. Here are some words for thought if you are ready to leave your cave of denial and admit that some Americans leaders are not the heroes you thought they were:

http://www.911hardfacts.com/report_01.htm

http://rense.com/general57/aale.htm

http://www.serendipity.li/wot/911_a_hoax.htm

[Death Metal]

9/11 attacks (possible involvement)

Now I know you're just a conspiracy theorist.

His delusions on 9/11 is almost as eyeroll worthy as his calling himself pro-liberty when he's gone on record as saying that transpeople should be forced to be marked as one in public at all times, because he thinks transpeople are icky.

[Ashmoria]

Now I know you're just a conspiracy theorist.

Sorry to disappoint you but 9/11 was an inside job. Here are some words for thought if you are ready to leave your cave of denial and admit that some Americans leaders are not the heroes you thought they were:

http://www.911hardfacts.com/report_01.htm

http://rense.com/general57/aale.htm

http://www.serendipity.li/wot/911_a_hoax.htm

they cant even keep the private republican meetings from being recorded and reported, you think they could keep massive numbers of people from telling what they know?

9/11 was an inside job. inside alqaeda.

[Freiheit Reich]

Now I know you're just a conspiracy theorist.

His delusions on 9/11 is almost as eyeroll worthy as his calling himself pro-liberty when he's gone on record as saying that transpeople should be forced to be marked as one in public at all times, because he thinks transpeople are icky.

Bringing up old news and I admitted that perhaps there are better ideas to prevent them from tricking innocent victims into having sex with them (ex. ones that think they are sleeping with a woman but really sleeping with a man) such as signed contracts which prove they informed their partner of their status before sex. The issue is trying to prevent fraudulent sex.

[Murkwood]

Now I know you're just a conspiracy theorist.

Sorry to disappoint you but 9/11 was an inside job. Here are some words for thought if you are ready to leave your cave of denial and admit that some Americans leaders are not the heroes you thought they were:

http://www.911hardfacts.com/report_01.htm

http://rense.com/general57/aale.htm

http://www.serendipity.li/wot/911_a_hoax.htm

...and my respect for you has fallen to zero.

[Freiheit Reich]

Sorry to disappoint you but 9/11 was an inside job. Here are some words for thought if you are ready to leave your cave of denial and admit that some Americans leaders are not the heroes you thought they were:

http://www.911hardfacts.com/report_01.htm

http://rense.com/general57/aale.htm

http://www.serendipity.li/wot/911_a_hoax.htm

they cant even keep the private republican meetings from being recorded and reported, you think they could keep massive numbers of people from telling what they know?

9/11 was an inside job. inside alqaeda.

Yes, if anybody leaks the secret they and their family members will be tortured and killed (and for no purpose because they would be labeled conspiracy theorists anyways and few would believe them). If they don't leak it, they will get some serious cash. They had motivation to keep quiet.

Everybody was strip searched, including Mr. Cheney and Mr. Bush, before going into the meeting to ensure there were no electronic devices.

[Valaran]

Sorry to disappoint you but 9/11 was an inside job. Here are some words for thought if you are ready to leave your cave of denial and admit that some Americans leaders are not the heroes you thought they were:

http://www.911hardfacts.com/report_01.htm

http://rense.com/general57/aale.htm

http://www.serendipity.li/wot/911_a_hoax.htm

...and my respect for you has fallen to zero.

Yeah, same. *sighs*


Haven't we also gone off-topic again?

[Freiheit Reich]

Sorry to disappoint you but 9/11 was an inside job. Here are some words for thought if you are ready to leave your cave of denial and admit that some Americans leaders are not the heroes you thought they were:

http://www.911hardfacts.com/report_01.htm

http://rense.com/general57/aale.htm

http://www.serendipity.li/wot/911_a_hoax.htm

...and my respect for you has fallen to zero.

You must be a Dick and Bush lover, you must be drinking coffee out of this right now:

[Ashmoria]

they cant even keep the private republican meetings from being recorded and reported, you think they could keep massive numbers of people from telling what they know?

9/11 was an inside job. inside alqaeda.

Yes, if anybody leaks the secret they and their family members will be tortured and killed (and for no purpose because they would be labeled conspiracy theorists anyways and few would believe them). If they don't leak it, they will get some serious cash. They had motivation to keep quiet.

Everybody was strip searched, including Mr. Cheney and Mr. Bush, before going into the meeting to ensure there were no electronic devices.

that is so sad.

and off topic.

feel free to start a "was 9/11 an inside job" thread. we haven't had one of those in a while.

[Murkwood]

...and my respect for you has fallen to zero.

You must be a Dick and Bush lover, you must be drinking coffee out of this right now:

I do like both Bush and Cheney, but that is neither here nor there. Any reasonable man will tell you 9/11 was not an inside job.

[Freiheit Reich]

Rand Paul: Dick Cheney used 9/11 as excuse to invade Iraq for the benefit of Halliburton

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/04/07/r ... lliburton/

I like that he isn't shy to say the truth about this incident. Too bad most people haven't considered this. This gives him an advantage over Hillary.

[Ifreann]

Neither of Which have any bearing on the ability to do the job of PotUS.

An education that has no applicability to the job of PotUS.

Absolute bullshit.

If you are going to send troops to combat, you really should have military service. Perhaps Ron Paul is less of a war hawk because he knows what it is like to be in the military (full time-not on weekend warrior status like Bush).

Bush, Clinton, and Obama can easily send troops to combat because they have no sympathy for soldiers.

Or perhaps a veteran would hesitate to send troops into combat, having too much sympathy for soldiers, when they really should be sent.

[The Black Forrest]

Rand Paul: Dick Cheney used 9/11 as excuse to invade Iraq for the benefit of Halliburton

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/04/07/r ... lliburton/

I like that he isn't shy to say the truth about this incident. Too bad most people haven't considered this. This gives him an advantage over Hillary.

Wow. Taking a stance on something 13 years after the fact! What a leader!!!!

You should also mention his other conspiracy theories like the UN gun grab or the weather service stock piling ammunition.

[Death Metal]

You must be a Dick and Bush lover, you must be drinking coffee out of this right now:

I do like both Bush and Cheney, but that is neither here nor there. Any reasonable man will tell you 9/11 was not an inside job.

Not to mention "You must like these guys" is a completely fallacious argument.

Might as well be saying because I'm a wrestling fan I should take stock in any of Jesse Ventura's lunatic ideas.

[Grenartia]

Sorry to disappoint you but 9/11 was an inside job. Here are some words for thought if you are ready to leave your cave of denial and admit that some Americans leaders are not the heroes you thought they were:

http://www.911hardfacts.com/report_01.htm

http://rense.com/general57/aale.htm

http://www.serendipity.li/wot/911_a_hoax.htm

...and my respect for you has fallen to zero.

This is also the same person who's convinced that "the liberal West" will fall to "teh radical mooslems".

Unless he's going to argue that "radical muslims" had the Bush administration under their thumbs, and were somehow capable of having thousands of people play their part in 9/11 without significant numbers of people spilling the beans before or after the fact, and simultaneously somehow not being able to go after the conspiracy theorists themselves (the fact that conspiracy theorists aren't getting killed, suppressed, or paid off to keep quiet is probably one of the best refutations of their claims), the two statements are utterly incompatible. And even if he did argue that, the burden of proof would be so immense, not even Atlas and Hercules could carry it.

FR is just a circle and a Teflon Troll with absolutely no credibility.

[Norstal]

Now I know you're just a conspiracy theorist.

Sorry to disappoint you but 9/11 was an inside job. Here are some words for thought if you are ready to leave your cave of denial and admit that some Americans leaders are not the heroes you thought they were:

http://www.911hardfacts.com/report_01.htm

http://rense.com/general57/aale.htm

http://www.serendipity.li/wot/911_a_hoax.htm

So where did you get your degree in Aerospace Engineering? The University of Durrr?