Female game dev Zoe Quinn sleeps her way to the top: scandal

[Geilinor]

It's irrelevant because you don't want it to be? Or because you don't play video games and don't have an interest in the industry and are simply defending Zoe because your SJW senses were tingling?

It's irrelevant because it isn't mine, nor your business, who some woman fucks.

The problem is that if the allegations are true, she's made her fame as a game developer not based on the games she develops. In the professional world, that's a major problem. That means the reviews she received were not based on the reviewer's opinion of the game.

[Couasia]

Now we're asking the deep questions

yes we are, Plato

[Threlizdun]

Everyone involved should be ashamed. Takes two to fuck it's not just this Zoe girl in the wrong it's everybody whom engaged in sex with her.

We don't have any evidence it happened. A blog by an angry ex that wants to ruin her is not evidence.

[Napkiraly]

Was Zoe Quinn even hot?

Why does that matter?

[Fortis Bellator]

> implies me and every other critic of Zoe Quinn is a "misogynist"

Well you're all collectively flipping your shit over a woman being accused of sexual impropriety in an industry that everyone seems to agree was already riddled with corruption.

Because this was the fecal icing on top of a cake of detritus.

[The Serbian Empire]

Everyone involved should be ashamed. Takes two to fuck it's not just this Zoe girl in the wrong it's everybody whom engaged in sex with her.

The problem is not that she had sex, but that she had it with games journalists and developers as to acquire positive press and other favors.

[Bazrasha]

Everyone involved should be ashamed. Takes two to fuck it's not just this Zoe girl in the wrong it's everybody whom engaged in sex with her.

We don't have any evidence it happened. A blog by an angry ex that wants to ruin her is not evidence.

Well then we can just pin the world allegedly at any point it's need in that post.

[Couasia]

The problem is not that she had sex, but that she had it with games journalists and developers as to acquire positive press and other favors.

It seems that her white knights and hyperfeminist defenders forget this fact all too often.

[The Serbian Empire]

It's irrelevant because it isn't mine, nor your business, who some woman fucks.

The problem is that if the allegations are true, she's made her fame as a game developer not based on the games she develops. In the professional world, that's a major problem. That means the reviews she received were not based on the reviewer's opinion of the game.

It also makes people question the journalistic integrity of Kotaku journalists.

[Fortis Bellator]

Everyone involved should be ashamed. Takes two to fuck it's not just this Zoe girl in the wrong it's everybody whom engaged in sex with her.

The problem is not that she had sex, but that she had it with games journalists and developers as to acquire positive press and other favors.

This is true, but the gleaming white knights are making it out to be that we only hate her "becuz she a defenseless wimmyn."

[Versail]

Was Zoe Quinn even hot?

Why does that matter?

It doesn't but no she's not.

[Snjorlandio]

Everyone involved should be ashamed. Takes two to fuck it's not just this Zoe girl in the wrong it's everybody whom engaged in sex with her.

We don't have any evidence it happened. A blog by an angry ex that wants to ruin her is not evidence.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C5-51Pf ... gfGGJR2yxQ

[Threlizdun]

The problem is not that she had sex, but that she had it with games journalists and developers as to acquire positive press and other favors.

It seems that her white knights and hyperfeminist defenders forget this fact all too often.

You don't have to be a feminist to doubt the validity of blogs from angry exes.

[Bazrasha]

Everyone involved should be ashamed. Takes two to fuck it's not just this Zoe girl in the wrong it's everybody whom engaged in sex with her.

The problem is not that she had sex, but that she had it with games journalists and developers as to acquire positive press and other favors.

But said people are just as guilty as she is for taking part in those acts as well as giving her good press as a result. Although this isn't absolutely confirmed.

[Kelinfort]

Everyone involved should be ashamed. Takes two to fuck it's not just this Zoe girl in the wrong it's everybody whom engaged in sex with her.

The problem is not that she had sex, but that she had it with games journalists and developers as to acquire positive press and other favors.

Well, given the reviews on the actual site, there's no way she slept with each and every positive review. Not to mention, Boggs and Grayson are nowhere to be found on the list of positive reviews.

[Spoder]

Was Zoe Quinn even hot?

Why does that matter?

Because I believe that if Zoe Quinn was actually attractive enough, somebody could defend themselves by saying their "primitive instincts took hold of their body".

I'm also just curious to see what she looks like.

And, I suppose it would be more "disgusting" if she was repulsive.

[The Serbian Empire]

The problem is not that she had sex, but that she had it with games journalists and developers as to acquire positive press and other favors.

It seems that her white knights and hyperfeminist defenders forget this fact all too often.

I have no problem with her sex as much as her exploitation to get favors. It's unethical behavior more than anything else.

[Kelinfort]

The problem is not that she had sex, but that she had it with games journalists and developers as to acquire positive press and other favors.

This is true, but the gleaming white knights are making it out to be that we only hate her "becuz she a defenseless wimmyn."

Her ex is obviously always right, it's not like he actually wanted to hurt her reputation or anything. *nods*

[Fortis Bellator]

The problem is not that she had sex, but that she had it with games journalists and developers as to acquire positive press and other favors.

Well, given the reviews on the actual site, there's no way she slept with each and every positive review. Not to mention, Boggs and Grayson are nowhere to be found on the list of positive reviews.

They were also game developers, no? They could easily have dispersed their opinions through any source, had Zoe asked them to.

[Versail]

Why does that matter?

Because I believe that if Zoe Quinn was actually attractive enough, somebody could defend themselves by saying their "primitive instincts took hold of their body".

I'm also just curious to see what she looks like.

And, I suppose it would be more "disgusting" if she was repulsive.

[Bazrasha]

The problem is not that she had sex, but that she had it with games journalists and developers as to acquire positive press and other favors.

It seems that her white knights and hyperfeminist defenders forget this fact all too often.

Not really. In the eyes of the law if this were something like a bribe then they would be just as guilty as she is. They were complicity in an act they could have opted out of. I'm not a Feminist I quite honestly hate the modern feminist movement but to say it's only her in the wrong is absolutely ridiculous.

[Unggoy Star Empire]

What is wrong with this World...

[Geilinor]

Why does that matter?

Because I believe that if Zoe Quinn was actually attractive enough, somebody could defend themselves by saying their "primitive instincts took hold of their body".

That's not a defense.

[Kelinfort]

Well, given the reviews on the actual site, there's no way she slept with each and every positive review. Not to mention, Boggs and Grayson are nowhere to be found on the list of positive reviews.

They were also game developers, no? They could easily have dispersed their opinions through any source, had Zoe asked them to.

Here's a complete list:

"Depression Quest hinges on its deeply personal writing style. It feels as though you’re reading someone’s unfiltered mental diary. Depression Quest is uncomfortable in that it feels voyeuristic, but the cramped proximity is how you develop a relationship with the character. It’s why, by the end, I was able to say I understood depression a bit better. It's a window." - Patrick Klepek, Giantbomb

"Similarly, content that addresses the complex and nuanced issues regarding mental illness and stigma, such as Depression Quest, should be lauded as providing something beneficial, in that users gain insight and understanding with stigma reduction as a consequence" - Ian Mahar, Kotaku

"More than four decades after Pong, players are tackling a range of heady subjects including cancer, depression and alcoholism. Instead of pumping adrenaline, these "empathy games" use the videogame form to tell stories that are far more personal than the Hollywood tropes most big budget games still rely on." - Connor Dougherty, Wall Street Journal

"The short of it: Depression Quest is not only good, it is truly revolutionary. It sets standards for relationships with games. It sets standards for relationships with ourselves, with our bodies, with our minds. It shows us what we can do and what we are, like a mirror that gives you the future and the brutal present all at once." - Cameron Kunzelman, This Cage Is Worms

"Depression sufferers often have precious little motivation, and in Depression Quest, you must try to manage your motivation level as you progress through the situations the game presents you with; as your motivation declines, options become grayed out and unavailable. Depression Quest makes use of imagery that changes depending on your depression level, and has a soundtrack by Isaac Schankler, who composed the music for the well-regarded narrative-driven game Analogue: A Hate Story." - Carolyn Petit, Gamespot

"In the same vein as Anna Anthropy’s Dys4ia made an effective attempt at getting players to emulate going through hormone replacement therapy, something that likely they’ll never have to deal with, Depression Quest serves as much as a tool for understanding and acceptance as it does an impeccable gaming one. Spare an hour to play it and ensure you’ve some time after that to decompress. It will make you a better person." - Mathew Jones, Gameranx

"The truly great thing about Depression Quest isn't the writing: it's the dialogue options you cannot choose. Anyone who plays it who doesn't understand depression will wonder why the fuck they can't click those 'sensible' options: tell your girlfriend how you feel, immediately go to the therapist. I am the ignorant mother. Because it's not a matter of choice, it's about what you feel you can and cannot do. Having those options there, then realising that your character claws back those options by forcing themselves to go on medication and talk to the therapist, is really enlightening." - Alan Williamson, Editor of Five Out Of Ten Magazine

"I’m sure I’m not the only one who can relate to the toils of depression and the complete drag it takes on your being. If you’ve been there, then we can probably give an acknowledging nod to each other as if to say, “I know; I know.” Once you start spiralling into that hole, it becomes very hard to stop, and it takes a lot to get out of it. This is what Depression Quest translates into gameplay inside an interactive (non)fiction consisting over 40,000 words." - Chris Priestman, IndieStatik

"The new interactive fiction game from Zoe Quinn, Patrick Lindsey and Isaac Schankler begins with a quote from David Foster Wallace and a warning. Both of them tightened the knot in my stomach and made me feel a little less sure of myself. I decided that now is not the time to click ‘Begin’. I’ve never lived with depression, at least not my own, but I’ve experienced it through others and know that at least one of those people would be extremely anxious but hopeful when faced with that button. This is ‘game’ as communication, comfort and tool of understanding. " - Adam Smith, Rock Paper Shotgun

"Thankfully, Depression Quest doesn't try to dress up the experience of depression into an 'Hollywood thrill-ride', and instead goes for something much more genuine. I'd wager that's why it's already making a difference in people's lives." - Jonathan Holmes, Destructoid

"Besides the blues-ridden story, it's just a well-made game overall. It's excellently written, well-paced, and so engaging that you might just find yourself playing again to find out what might happen if you'd accepted the offer of psychological help, or asked for a prescription for anti-depressants." - Katie Williams, Gamespy

"Not only were the scenarios all too familiar. Depression Quest’s description of the symptoms and feelings that come along with the disease is the most poignantly accurate depiction of depression I have ever read. Zoe, Patrick, and Isaac didn’t merely stop at spying on me. They were in my head. They knew every ounce of my anguish, my sadness, my embarrassment. And then they laid it all out on a page in a way I had never dreamed possible." - M. A. Chabolla

[Geilinor]

The problem is not that she had sex, but that she had it with games journalists and developers as to acquire positive press and other favors.

It seems that her white knights and hyperfeminist defenders forget this fact all too often.

All the white knights want you to do is recognize that these accusations are from an angry ex.