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When did the police start militarizing?

Post-9/11
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68%
After the Sandy Hook shooting
8
6%
Other (Post what it was)
22
16%
Never
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Total votes : 136

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Postby Sibirsky » Mon Aug 18, 2014 9:50 pm

Jarish Inyo wrote:
Sibirsky wrote:Perhaps you should move, since you obviously live in a shit area.


I live in an area that is dominated by farming. Maybe you should shut up and think before you continue your bashing of the government and the police.

Watch your fucking mouth.

I have thought about these issues, extensively. I will stop bashing the government and the police, when they stop bashing innocent people.
Simple fact is that nearly all the school shootings, or most shootings, that the media make a big deal of are in small towns like mine. Crime is everywhere. Poverty doesn't play as much into it.

Why is that? I'm going to speculate the shooters pick schools, because they know there is very little likelihood that anyone there will be armed. More chance of more deaths. And they pick small towns, because the police response is less likely to involve militarized SWAT teams.

Most mass shootings have been in gun free zones.

I did not say anything about poverty.
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Postby Our Governator » Mon Aug 18, 2014 9:50 pm

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Postby The New Sea Territory » Mon Aug 18, 2014 9:51 pm

The Sotoan Union wrote:
The New Sea Territory wrote:
Uh...yeah actually thousands are. Public property is, low and behold, public property. Thus, vandalizing public property is a crime with a victim. Unless you deny vandalism as a crime, I don't see what you could say here.

Those crimes are equally as valid as banning drugs, gay marriage, peeing in public, masturbation, Hershey Bars, Neopolitan Icecream and Nationstates. They are all nothing more than a group of people using the state to ban their pet peeves. They should not be crimes.

Sometimes the protection of society from things considered to be wrong is justification for a law.


Um. Until you get to the whole "there is no such thing as morality outside of your brain" concept, you see that there are only actions, reactions and objects. You should only ban things that inherently cause damage, as they are holding back society from functioning properly.
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Postby Scomagia » Mon Aug 18, 2014 9:51 pm

Luremurg wrote:Guys, what does Socialism start with. S.
What does Sodomy start with. S
What does Satan start with. S
AND WHAT DOES SOCCER START WITH? S!
GOD GAVE US TWO ARMS AND HANDS,
AND TWO LEGS AND FEET.
YET WE CAN ONLY USE LEGS AND FEET IN SOCCER?
SOCCER IS AGAINST GOD.

Your satire is pretty weak.
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Postby Nationes Pii Redivivi » Mon Aug 18, 2014 9:51 pm

Luremurg wrote:Guys, what does Socialism start with. S.
What does Sodomy start with. S
What does Satan start with. S
AND WHAT DOES SOCCER START WITH? S!
GOD GAVE US TWO ARMS AND HANDS,
AND TWO LEGS AND FEET.
YET WE CAN ONLY USE LEGS AND FEET IN SOCCER?
SOCCER IS AGAINST GOD.


Association Football starts with an "A".

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Postby Luremurg » Mon Aug 18, 2014 9:51 pm

Guys, we need to stop the Reptilian American Government before it's too late.
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Postby The New Sea Territory » Mon Aug 18, 2014 9:52 pm

Jarish Inyo wrote: Maybe you should shut up and think before you continue your bashing of the government and the police.


Maybe that's not how this radical idea called "freedom" all the kids do these days works?
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Postby Trygg » Mon Aug 18, 2014 9:52 pm

Scomagia wrote:
The Land Fomerly Known as Ligerplace wrote:Just what an Illuminati reptilian would say.

Please, I'm a member of much more sinister, much more inclusive group, The Council of Goats.

My neighbor has a goat. She eats my strawberries. Sinister indeed :p
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Postby The Sotoan Union » Mon Aug 18, 2014 9:52 pm

Jarish Inyo wrote:
Scomagia wrote:Prove it.

Can you honestly state that you have never broken any law? Never stole anything? Never broke the speed limit? Can anyone here say they haven't?

Is this like that episode of Fairly Odd Parents where Timmy is sent to detention for something he probably did?

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Postby The Greater Ohio Valley » Mon Aug 18, 2014 9:52 pm

Luremurg wrote:Guys, what does Socialism start with. S.
What does Sodomy start with. S
What does Satan start with. S
AND WHAT DOES SOCCER START WITH? S!
GOD GAVE US TWO ARMS AND HANDS,
AND TWO LEGS AND FEET.
YET WE CAN ONLY USE LEGS AND FEET IN SOCCER?
SOCCER IS AGAINST GOD.

....wut?
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Postby Our Governator » Mon Aug 18, 2014 9:53 pm

The Sotoan Union wrote:
Jarish Inyo wrote: Can you honestly state that you have never broken any law? Never stole anything? Never broke the speed limit? Can anyone here say they haven't?

Is this like that episode of Fairly Odd Parents where Timmy is sent to detention for something he probably did?

I like where this debate is going. More fairly odd parents please
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Postby Luremurg » Mon Aug 18, 2014 9:53 pm

These anti-libertarians don't like Freedom. Or slavery,
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Postby The Sotoan Union » Mon Aug 18, 2014 9:53 pm

The New Sea Territory wrote:
The Sotoan Union wrote:Sometimes the protection of society from things considered to be wrong is justification for a law.


Um. Until you get to the whole "there is no such thing as morality outside of your brain" concept, you see that there are only actions, reactions and objects. You should only ban things that inherently cause damage, as they are holding back society from functioning properly.

I'm just saying that's the purpose behind some laws.

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Postby Scomagia » Mon Aug 18, 2014 9:53 pm

Nationes Pii Redivivi wrote:
Luremurg wrote:Guys, what does Socialism start with. S.
What does Sodomy start with. S
What does Satan start with. S
AND WHAT DOES SOCCER START WITH? S!
GOD GAVE US TWO ARMS AND HANDS,
AND TWO LEGS AND FEET.
YET WE CAN ONLY USE LEGS AND FEET IN SOCCER?
SOCCER IS AGAINST GOD.


Association Football starts with an "A".

What else starts with an "A"? Azazel. Who is sometimes linked with Satan? Azazel. What animal is Azazel associated with? A GOAT! :twisted:
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Postby Luremurg » Mon Aug 18, 2014 9:53 pm

The Greater Ohio Valley wrote:
Luremurg wrote:Guys, what does Socialism start with. S.
What does Sodomy start with. S
What does Satan start with. S
AND WHAT DOES SOCCER START WITH? S!
GOD GAVE US TWO ARMS AND HANDS,
AND TWO LEGS AND FEET.
YET WE CAN ONLY USE LEGS AND FEET IN SOCCER?
SOCCER IS AGAINST GOD.

....wut?


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Postby Scomagia » Mon Aug 18, 2014 9:54 pm

Trygg wrote:
Scomagia wrote:Please, I'm a member of much more sinister, much more inclusive group, The Council of Goats.

My neighbor has a goat. She eats my strawberries. Sinister indeed :p

Your strawberries are only the beginning.
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Postby Jarish Inyo » Mon Aug 18, 2014 9:55 pm

The Sotoan Union wrote:
Sibirsky wrote:Vandalism, as has already been pointed out to you.

There's no victim here. Unless someone being offended is enough to be a victim. IT's public property. Who's the victim? The government? You said yourself the government is not a victim.

If people being offended counts as a victim then a lot of crimes aren't victimless anymore.


Vandalism is a crime. Private properly gets vandalized all the time. the owner of the properly has to pay to repair the damage. And if the property is public, then it is mine and your tax dollars repairing the damage.
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Postby Luremurg » Mon Aug 18, 2014 9:55 pm

Scomagia wrote:
Nationes Pii Redivivi wrote:
Association Football starts with an "A".

What else starts with an "A"? Azazel. Who is sometimes linked with Satan? Azazel. What animal is Azazel associated with? A GOAT! :twisted:

Azezel, Satan and a goat.
Those are three things,
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Postby The Greater Ohio Valley » Mon Aug 18, 2014 9:55 pm

Luremurg wrote:
The Greater Ohio Valley wrote:....wut?


YOU CAN PRY MY RPG FROM MY COLD DEAD HANDS.

Well, the deer are pretty aggressive this year. I do all of my hunting with recoilless rifles.
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Postby The New Sea Territory » Mon Aug 18, 2014 9:56 pm

The Sotoan Union wrote:
The New Sea Territory wrote:
Um. Until you get to the whole "there is no such thing as morality outside of your brain" concept, you see that there are only actions, reactions and objects. You should only ban things that inherently cause damage, as they are holding back society from functioning properly.

I'm just saying that's the purpose behind some laws.


That is true, and I oppose them because basing a socioeconomic and political system, an arbitrary social construct, off morality, and even MORE arbitrary social construct, is really, really, really stupid.
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Postby The Land Fomerly Known as Ligerplace » Mon Aug 18, 2014 9:56 pm

Luremurg wrote:
The Greater Ohio Valley wrote:....wut?


YOU CAN PRY MY RPG FROM MY COLD DEAD HANDS.

Since your on nationstates, odds are that it doesn't involve explosions but does involve orcs.
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The Land Fomerly Known as Ligerplace wrote:Ironic ain't it, now there really IS 47% of the country that feels like victims.

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Postby Luremurg » Mon Aug 18, 2014 9:56 pm

The Land Fomerly Known as Ligerplace wrote:
Luremurg wrote:
YOU CAN PRY MY RPG FROM MY COLD DEAD HANDS.

Since your on nationstates, odds are that it doesn't involve explosions but does involve orcs.

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Postby The Sotoan Union » Mon Aug 18, 2014 9:56 pm

Jarish Inyo wrote:
The Sotoan Union wrote:There's no victim here. Unless someone being offended is enough to be a victim. IT's public property. Who's the victim? The government? You said yourself the government is not a victim.

If people being offended counts as a victim then a lot of crimes aren't victimless anymore.


Vandalism is a crime. Private properly gets vandalized all the time. the owner of the properly has to pay to repair the damage. And if the property is public, then it is mine and your tax dollars repairing the damage.

A victimless crime in most senses of the term.

But I believe that just because a crime doesn't involve a victim doesn't mean that it shouldn't be a crime.

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Postby Our Governator » Mon Aug 18, 2014 9:57 pm

The Land Fomerly Known as Ligerplace wrote:
Luremurg wrote:
YOU CAN PRY MY RPG FROM MY COLD DEAD HANDS.

Since your on nationstates, odds are that it doesn't involve explosions but does involve orcs.

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Postby Nationes Pii Redivivi » Mon Aug 18, 2014 9:57 pm

Scomagia wrote:
Nationes Pii Redivivi wrote:
Association Football starts with an "A".

What else starts with an "A"? Azazel. Who is sometimes linked with Satan? Azazel. What animal is Azazel associated with? A GOAT! :twisted:

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