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When did the police start militarizing?

Post-9/11
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After the Sandy Hook shooting
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Other (Post what it was)
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16%
Never
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Total votes : 136

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Luremurg
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Postby Luremurg » Mon Aug 18, 2014 9:44 pm

Go watch Alex Jones you god damn anti-libertarians

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Postby Sibirsky » Mon Aug 18, 2014 9:44 pm

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"Prove it" *hands you a book written by a conspiracy nut*

So? Is he wrong?

There are dozens more like it.
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Postby The Sotoan Union » Mon Aug 18, 2014 9:44 pm

Sibirsky wrote:
The Sotoan Union wrote:Fucking peeing in public is a victimless crime. Laws can be passed for other reasons than to protect people.

Depends. If someone sees the urination, they may feel victimized. As such, it is not a victimless crime.

And they should not be. If there is no victim, there should not be a crime.

By that logic any crime can have a victim simply if someone is offended. That's not the same as if someone is directly affected.

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Postby Luremurg » Mon Aug 18, 2014 9:44 pm

The Greater Ohio Valley wrote:
Luremurg wrote:Pssh posh. Go watch Infowars and WATCH Alex Jones. Don't watch one video then just automaticly call him a crazy conspiracist. Governments writing away the constitution with the swipe of a pen, and milatirising the police is illegal I think. But the American Government will just the the muslim russians are coming to blow up a few buildings and BAM. Your guns and freedom is gone. 10/10. Militarize the police moar plz!1!!

Alex Jones definitely is not the voice of reason on much of anything.

Your an enemy of America!

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Postby Jarish Inyo » Mon Aug 18, 2014 9:45 pm

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Jarish Inyo wrote:
Quite often. I live in a small town. One bank in town has been robbed twice in the last year by armed criminals. There are still assaults, shootings and other violent crimes. I work in another small town at night. I hear multiple gun shoots every night.

Perhaps you should move, since you obviously live in a shit area.


I live in an area that is dominated by farming. Maybe you should shut up and think before you continue your bashing of the government and the police.

Simple fact is that nearly all the school shootings, or most shootings, that the media make a big deal of are in small towns like mine. Crime is everywhere. Poverty doesn't play as much into it.
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Postby Nationes Pii Redivivi » Mon Aug 18, 2014 9:45 pm

We will never forget 9-11.

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Postby Sibirsky » Mon Aug 18, 2014 9:45 pm

The Sotoan Union wrote:
Sibirsky wrote:Depends. If someone sees the urination, they may feel victimized. As such, it is not a victimless crime.

And they should not be. If there is no victim, there should not be a crime.

By that logic any crime can have a victim simply if someone is offended. That's not the same as if someone is directly affected.

Vandalism, as has already been pointed out to you.
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Postby Our Governator » Mon Aug 18, 2014 9:45 pm

The Greater Ohio Valley wrote:
Luremurg wrote:Pssh posh. Go watch Infowars and WATCH Alex Jones. Don't watch one video then just automaticly call him a crazy conspiracist. Governments writing away the constitution with the swipe of a pen, and milatirising the police is illegal I think. But the American Government will just the the muslim russians are coming to blow up a few buildings and BAM. Your guns and freedom is gone. 10/10. Militarize the police moar plz!1!!

Alex Jones definitely is not the voice of reason on much of anything.

The voice of pissed off conspiracy freaks, maybe.
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Postby Our Governator » Mon Aug 18, 2014 9:46 pm

Nationes Pii Redivivi wrote:We will never forget 9-11.

Can I also post my shopping list here because it's just as relevant.
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Postby The Greater Ohio Valley » Mon Aug 18, 2014 9:46 pm

Luremurg wrote:
The Greater Ohio Valley wrote:Alex Jones definitely is not the voice of reason on much of anything.

Your an enemy of America!

I am? Since when? I wasn't aware I was an enemy of anything, let alone America.
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Postby The New Sea Territory » Mon Aug 18, 2014 9:47 pm

The Sotoan Union wrote:
The New Sea Territory wrote:
Peeing in public could technically be vandalism of public property, there is a victim there.

No Victim, No Crime.

No a victim is directly affected by the crime. Since the Us government is not a victim, you can't really say there's any one victim there.

But there are many crimes that don't directly involve victims.


Uh...yeah actually thousands are. Public property is, low and behold, public property. Thus, vandalizing public property is a crime with a victim. Unless you deny vandalism as a crime, I don't see what you could say here.

Those crimes are equally as valid as banning drugs, gay marriage, peeing in public, masturbation, Hershey Bars, Neopolitan Icecream and Nationstates. They are all nothing more than a group of people using the state to ban their pet peeves. They should not be crimes.
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Postby Scomagia » Mon Aug 18, 2014 9:47 pm

Luremurg wrote:Go watch Alex Jones you god damn anti-libertarians

No, thank you. I like people that use logic and reason. People like Alex Jones, with all their mind-bending conspiracy theories, belittle all the bullshit that happens in broad daylight. There is no Illuminati. There are no reptilians.
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Postby The New Sea Territory » Mon Aug 18, 2014 9:47 pm

Luremurg wrote:Go watch Alex Jones you god damn anti-libertarians


No. No, do not. Read Rothbard, be smart.
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Postby The Sotoan Union » Mon Aug 18, 2014 9:48 pm

Sibirsky wrote:
The Sotoan Union wrote:By that logic any crime can have a victim simply if someone is offended. That's not the same as if someone is directly affected.

Vandalism, as has already been pointed out to you.

There's no victim here. Unless someone being offended is enough to be a victim. IT's public property. Who's the victim? The government? You said yourself the government is not a victim.

If people being offended counts as a victim then a lot of crimes aren't victimless anymore.

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Postby Scomagia » Mon Aug 18, 2014 9:48 pm

Jarish Inyo wrote:
Sibirsky wrote:Perhaps you should move, since you obviously live in a shit area.


I live in an area that is dominated by farming. Maybe you should shut up and think before you continue your bashing of the government and the police.

Simple fact is that nearly all the school shootings, or most shootings, that the media make a big deal of are in small towns like mine. Crime is everywhere. Poverty doesn't play as much into it.

Poverty doesn't play much into crime? Are you joking?
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Postby Jarish Inyo » Mon Aug 18, 2014 9:48 pm

Scomagia wrote:
Jarish Inyo wrote:
Really? The average citizen is a criminal. They have all broken the law and continue to do so in small ways. It's just that most citizens haven't escalated to violent crimes.

Prove it.

Can you honestly state that you have never broken any law? Never stole anything? Never broke the speed limit? Can anyone here say they haven't?
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Postby The Land Fomerly Known as Ligerplace » Mon Aug 18, 2014 9:48 pm

Scomagia wrote:
Luremurg wrote:Go watch Alex Jones you god damn anti-libertarians

No, thank you. I like people that use logic and reason. People like Alex Jones, with all their mind-bending conspiracy theories, belittle all the bullshit that happens in broad daylight. There is no Illuminati. There are no reptilians.

Just what an Illuminati reptilian would say.
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The Land Fomerly Known as Ligerplace wrote:Ironic ain't it, now there really IS 47% of the country that feels like victims.

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Postby Scomagia » Mon Aug 18, 2014 9:49 pm

Jarish Inyo wrote:
Scomagia wrote:Prove it.

Can you honestly state that you have never broken any law? Never stole anything? Never broke the speed limit? Can anyone here say they haven't?

Prove that the average citizen in a criminal. Prove it or stop talking shit.
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Postby The Sotoan Union » Mon Aug 18, 2014 9:49 pm

The New Sea Territory wrote:
The Sotoan Union wrote:No a victim is directly affected by the crime. Since the Us government is not a victim, you can't really say there's any one victim there.

But there are many crimes that don't directly involve victims.


Uh...yeah actually thousands are. Public property is, low and behold, public property. Thus, vandalizing public property is a crime with a victim. Unless you deny vandalism as a crime, I don't see what you could say here.

Those crimes are equally as valid as banning drugs, gay marriage, peeing in public, masturbation, Hershey Bars, Neopolitan Icecream and Nationstates. They are all nothing more than a group of people using the state to ban their pet peeves. They should not be crimes.

Sometimes the protection of society from things considered to be wrong is justification for a law.

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Postby Trygg » Mon Aug 18, 2014 9:49 pm

Jarish Inyo wrote:
Scomagia wrote:The average citizen is not a criminal.


Really? The average citizen is a criminal. They have all broken the law and continue to do so in small ways. It's just that most citizens haven't escalated to violent crimes.

I jaywalk all the time. Sometimes I drive a few miles over the speed limit. My garage is slightly larger than my city zoning laws allow. Yet, I have never been called a criminal until now.
I don't particularly feel like a criminal. Others certainly don't see me as one.
Sometimes I take the law into my own hands. Once I cut down my neighbor's shrub because it was growing onto the sidewalk, which violates city zoning laws. Does this make me a vigilante?
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Postby Our Governator » Mon Aug 18, 2014 9:49 pm

The Greater Ohio Valley wrote:
Luremurg wrote:Your an enemy of America!

I am? Since when? I wasn't aware I was an enemy of anything, let alone America.

"My enemy of America"
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Postby Luremurg » Mon Aug 18, 2014 9:50 pm

Guys, what does Socialism start with. S.
What does Sodomy start with. S
What does Satan start with. S
AND WHAT DOES SOCCER START WITH? S!
GOD GAVE US TWO ARMS AND HANDS,
AND TWO LEGS AND FEET.
YET WE CAN ONLY USE LEGS AND FEET IN SOCCER?
SOCCER IS AGAINST GOD.

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Postby Nationes Pii Redivivi » Mon Aug 18, 2014 9:50 pm

Luremurg wrote:Go watch Alex Jones you god damn anti-libertarians


Go read Mein Kampf you Anti-Nazis.
Go watch Battlefield Earth you Anti-Scientologist.
Go drink piss you anti-urophiliacs.

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Postby Scomagia » Mon Aug 18, 2014 9:50 pm

The Land Fomerly Known as Ligerplace wrote:
Scomagia wrote:No, thank you. I like people that use logic and reason. People like Alex Jones, with all their mind-bending conspiracy theories, belittle all the bullshit that happens in broad daylight. There is no Illuminati. There are no reptilians.

Just what an Illuminati reptilian would say.

Please, I'm a member of much more sinister, much more inclusive group, The Council of Goats.
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