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Postby Maurepas » Thu Aug 07, 2014 11:19 pm

Gauthier wrote:Was Crawford wearing a hoodie?

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Postby Iron Dog » Thu Aug 07, 2014 11:20 pm

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Iron Dog wrote:Have you read what is said on other news sites? The one you posted is blatantly anti-police. What I read is he opened the package the gun was in, then proceeded to walk around the store with it. Scaring other shoppers and then would not drop it when told to. It had nothing to do with his race.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/source-walm ... toy-rifle/

http://www.policeone.com/officer-shooti ... air-rifle/

Yeah, being a bit of a prick totally justifies killing someone for shopping.

If he refused to put it down or pointed it at the officers, they are going to feel threatened, feel that the civilians are being threatened and use what force they deem is necessary to protect every one.

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Postby Condunum » Thu Aug 07, 2014 11:20 pm

You know, in all the stories posted thus far the only source for "he was waving it around and pointing it at people" is the Ritchie's
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Postby Polkopia » Thu Aug 07, 2014 11:20 pm

Iron Dog wrote:
Condunum wrote:Yeah, being a bit of a prick totally justifies killing someone for shopping.

If he refused to put it down or pointed it at the officers, they are going to feel threatened, feel that the civilians are being threatened and use what force they deem is necessary to protect every one.


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Postby The Serbian Empire » Thu Aug 07, 2014 11:21 pm

Nickel Empire wrote:If I remember correctly, aren't the police suppose to say get down on the ground first and shoot later not shoot first and then say get on the ground?

That is indeed true. Or even tazed him before using the lethal force given the orange tip on the airsoft gun (made mandatory in the US for federal transport and to be sold in Michigan).
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Postby Infected Mushroom » Thu Aug 07, 2014 11:21 pm

To prevent these unfortunate accidents from happening again in the future, stores should not sell airguns that may be mistaken for real guns.

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Postby Earth in Roughly 1000 Years » Thu Aug 07, 2014 11:21 pm

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Polkopia wrote:

The Ritchie's claimed other shoppers felt threatened, yet no other shoppers said they felt threatened, or phoned the police.

No all people that are raped report or admit it.

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Postby Condunum » Thu Aug 07, 2014 11:21 pm

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Iron Dog wrote:If he refused to put it down or pointed it at the officers, they are going to feel threatened, feel that the civilians are being threatened and use what force they deem is necessary to protect every one.


^ This.

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Postby Condunum » Thu Aug 07, 2014 11:21 pm

Earth in Roughly 1000 Years wrote:
Condunum wrote:The Ritchie's claimed other shoppers felt threatened, yet no other shoppers said they felt threatened, or phoned the police.

No all people that are raped report or admit it.

Oh please. :roll:
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Postby Earth in Roughly 1000 Years » Thu Aug 07, 2014 11:22 pm

Condunum wrote:
Polkopia wrote:
^ This.

Pathetic.

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Postby The Sotoan Union » Thu Aug 07, 2014 11:22 pm

Condunum wrote:
Polkopia wrote:
^ This.

Pathetic.

Most police are trained to respond if you point a gun at them. Sorry if you don't like it.

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Postby Condunum » Thu Aug 07, 2014 11:22 pm

The Sotoan Union wrote:
Condunum wrote:Pathetic.

Most police are trained to respond if you point a gun at them. Sorry if you don't like it.

There isn't any report of him pointing the gun at the police! Fucks sake, there's even a report of him saying "It's not real" right before he got shot. Police fuck up and have to face the consequences for it. Sorry if you don't like it.
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Postby Earth in Roughly 1000 Years » Thu Aug 07, 2014 11:22 pm

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Earth in Roughly 1000 Years wrote:No all people that are raped report or admit it.

Oh please. :roll:

So in otherwords you have no valid argument to respond with...okay. Thanks for conceding.

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Postby Lingang » Thu Aug 07, 2014 11:23 pm

The Sotoan Union wrote:It doesn't make sense why the police shot him. One dude calling the police for no reason is one thing, but why did they shoot him?

Because of his skin color, I bet.
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Postby The Sotoan Union » Thu Aug 07, 2014 11:23 pm

Condunum wrote:
The Sotoan Union wrote:Most police are trained to respond if you point a gun at them. Sorry if you don't like it.

There isn't any report of him pointing the gun at the police! Fucks sake, there's even a report of him saying "It's not real" right before he got shot. Police fuck up and have to face the consequences for it. Sorry if you don't like it.

Judging by the varying sources, I don't think we know enough yet.

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Postby Condunum » Thu Aug 07, 2014 11:23 pm

Earth in Roughly 1000 Years wrote:
Condunum wrote:Oh please. :roll:

So in otherwords you have no valid argument to respond with...okay. Thanks for conceding.

No, your argument is just pathetic and doesn't relate.
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Postby Iron Dog » Thu Aug 07, 2014 11:24 pm

Condunum wrote:
The Sotoan Union wrote:Most police are trained to respond if you point a gun at them. Sorry if you don't like it.

There isn't any report of him pointing the gun at the police! Fucks sake, there's even a report of him saying "It's not real" right before he got shot. Police fuck up and have to face the consequences for it. Sorry if you don't like it.
Did you read the other reports that have been posted? It clearly says he was waving it around.

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Postby Condunum » Thu Aug 07, 2014 11:24 pm

Iron Dog wrote:
Condunum wrote:There isn't any report of him pointing the gun at the police! Fucks sake, there's even a report of him saying "It's not real" right before he got shot. Police fuck up and have to face the consequences for it. Sorry if you don't like it.
Did you read the other reports that have been posted? It clearly says he was waving it around.

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Postby Maurepas » Thu Aug 07, 2014 11:24 pm

The Sotoan Union wrote:
Condunum wrote:Pathetic.

Most police are trained to respond if you point a gun at them. Sorry if you don't like it.

If they're trained they should be able to tell the difference between an actual firearm and an airsoft gun, and certainly shouldn't be so trigger happy they're firing on a guy carrying the latter. If that's "training" it's incompetent training.

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Postby Earth in Roughly 1000 Years » Thu Aug 07, 2014 11:25 pm

Condunum wrote:
Earth in Roughly 1000 Years wrote:So in otherwords you have no valid argument to respond with...okay. Thanks for conceding.

No, your argument is just pathetic and doesn't relate.

So in otherwords you have no valid argument to respond with...okay. Thanks for conceding.

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Postby The United Territories of Providence » Thu Aug 07, 2014 11:25 pm

Pretty sure this has more to do with a guy walking around with what looks like a gun in the place that just experienced a mass shooting. Today people are afraid of other people with guns, they shouldn't be but there have been so many shootings.... it's hard not to be careful. It's sad that this man died, but I don't blame the guy for calling the police. He was afraid. Crazy isn't specific to one race, and neither is racism. People who can't look past race for answers, are usually pretty racist. A big black guy with a fire arm can be just as intimidating as a big white guy with a fire arm.
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Postby Polkopia » Thu Aug 07, 2014 11:25 pm

Condunum wrote:
The Sotoan Union wrote:Most police are trained to respond if you point a gun at them. Sorry if you don't like it.

There isn't any report of him pointing the gun at the police! Fucks sake, there's even a report of him saying "It's not real" right before he got shot. Police fuck up and have to face the consequences for it. Sorry if you don't like it.


According to the article, after he was down, Crawford tried to get up and go for either the officer or try to grab the gun again. Sounds pretty threatening to me. Whether it was real or not, you can't risk losing a few police officers. Hell, people can say that a real gun isn't real as much as they like! For all they know, he could've been lying before grabbing the gun and shooting them.
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Postby Condunum » Thu Aug 07, 2014 11:26 pm

Earth in Roughly 1000 Years wrote:
Condunum wrote:No, your argument is just pathetic and doesn't relate.

So in otherwords you have no valid argument to respond with...okay. Thanks for conceding.

If you'd like, you can get your head out of your ass and say something constructive. Your argument doesn't relate, I repeat again.
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Postby Maurepas » Thu Aug 07, 2014 11:26 pm

Infected Mushroom wrote:To prevent these unfortunate accidents from happening again in the future, stores should not sell airguns that may be mistaken for real guns.

They don't. All airsoft guns have distinctive orange tips, and distinguishing markers on them, as required by US Law.

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Postby The Sotoan Union » Thu Aug 07, 2014 11:26 pm

Maurepas wrote:
The Sotoan Union wrote:Most police are trained to respond if you point a gun at them. Sorry if you don't like it.

If they're trained they should be able to tell the difference between an actual firearm and an airsoft gun, and certainly shouldn't be so trigger happy they're firing on a guy carrying the latter. If that's "training" it's incompetent training.

They constantly go up against people who could be legitimately threatening them with firearms. If you don't put down your gun like object as soon as they tell you to they will react.

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