Islamic State Crisis Megathread (ISIS/ISIL/IS)

[Bulgar Rouge]

Look at the Sunni in Lebanon, in Tripoli, Arsal, Sidon, people are welcoming the Nusra and Daesh because theya re sick of Hezbollah and the lebanese government that submits to their will because they are took weak.

If that's so, I have even less objections to barrel-bombing every armed and unarmed ISIS/Nusra supporter into oblivion. Assad was right from the start.

[The Seleucids (Ancient)]

1 ) Ask NATO, its the best we have, if you have any better source on what the Syrian people want then please bring it forward, if you don't, stop complaining and accept what we have.
2 ) You obviously missed A. The people claiming that armed people where among the protestors and B. The massive Pro-Assad rallies.
3 ) Everybody has but that doesn't change anything. He, as far as we can tell, is still the legitimate ruler, by the will of the people and by the UN untill proven otherwise.
4 ) Show me a clear source that proves this, i'm not listening to random claims.
5 ) Hezbollah isn't what it used to be, even they answer only to themselves. Iran has indeed a big influence over Hezbollah but it isn't like Iran controlls Hezbollah all the way. Hezbollah is Lebanese, they do what would favour Lebanon. Just look at their whole involvement in Syria.
6 ) It really doesn't.
7 ) The civil war has really nothing to do with Syria's capabilities, you're talking now like you don't even know what the Syrian conflict is all about or how it emerged and grew.
8 ) Then there's the question, what do you consider terrorists and what do you consider freedomfighters?

The proof is the beginning of the war man, the first battles, the first combat, the armed men shooting back at the Regime's fascist like police that were beating people, taking them, torturing them, the mass graves. A source even by NATO or anyone is clearly impossible to conduct in Syria unless you ask the regime which is obviously gonna give you some BS. Even research on the people living under the Daesh areas in Syria. They welcomed them with open hearts to remove the regime in eastern Syria. Even now under occupation they hate Daesh but they also mention that they hate the regime just as much. Of course Hezbollah isn't what it used to be in terms of military and how it goes by achieving its goals. They dont blow up or launch suicide attacks because they are comfortable and stable. When you put Hezbollah or even iran on the defensive they immediately turn to sending suicide bombers, kids, this isn't anything new its just a change of tactics and strategy due to being on the upperhand now. Hezbollah is a Lebanese group true but it is undeniably a tool of Iran, Hezbollah does what Iran tells it to do, iran isn't obviously going to want Lebanese officials make national goals that will benefit the country and try to remove it from the turmoil from the region because Lebanon is too strategic to Iran, therefore it orders Hezbollah to conduct the assassinations and blackmail and threats. In beirut, in neighborhoods we know the men that come here they buy and rent apartments are Hezbollah but they do this in our areas because they store their arms and would use these "properties" as staging points to cut off any attempt to enforce an goal or vision that is not their in territory not directly controlled by them. Look at the Sunni in Lebanon, in Tripoli, Arsal, Sidon, people are welcoming the Nusra and Daesh because theya re sick of Hezbollah and the lebanese government that submits to their will because they are took weak. The Christians is a whole other story that requires a long paragraph. Yes Hezbollah they give to their own people the Shia, but the strategic and military goals are directed by Iran, that is the part that is bad. Im saying the fact that Syria had to bring in Iranian proxy group, IRGC, let Iran create Hezbollah like militias in Syria highlights how the official regime of Bashar al Assad is a puppet of Iran because it is too weak to even protect itself from the inside.

1 ) No, that's zero proof. Who says that those men killing government people/supporters are representing the majority of the population huh?
2 ) I think NATO has a hell of alot more resources to conduct such investigation then you have, and becouse of that we just assume its true becouse people like you cannot show otherwise.
3 ) Source?
4 ) Source?
5 ) Oh please, Show me where Iran used children as Suicide bombers. Then also to mention, do you have any idea on how many organizations have used them in the past? It isn't much new today nor will it probably ever be. There's little difference in dropping a bomb on 20 people or sending a person to bomb himself plus 19 people.
6 ) Once again, Iran has alot of influence over Hezbollah, but in the end Hezbollah is not owned by Iran and if they don't think Lebanon or Hezbollah will not benefit from a certain action Iran would want them to preform they will simply refuse. Hezbollah is far from what you seem to believe it is.
7 ) Lebanon isn't really that strategic to Iran, the only reason Hezbollah actually exists is becouse of A.Trying to combat Syrian influence in Lebanon and B. Israel.
8 ) If you know something about Hezbollah then you would know they also give to the others, Christians and Sunni's alike.
9 ) Only partial, this becouse of A. The threat coming from Israel, who still occupies Lebanese land and B. The remaining threats that come from pretty much all directions at the moment.
10 ) The Syrian crisis is everything but a conflict from the inside, do you even know what is happening there? Its very much a proxy war between the "west" and "east". Claiming that its an internal conflict is plain and simple a bunch of bs.

[The Greater Lebanon]

The proof is the beginning of the war man, the first battles, the first combat, the armed men shooting back at the Regime's fascist like police that were beating people, taking them, torturing them, the mass graves. A source even by NATO or anyone is clearly impossible to conduct in Syria unless you ask the regime which is obviously gonna give you some BS. Even research on the people living under the Daesh areas in Syria. They welcomed them with open hearts to remove the regime in eastern Syria. Even now under occupation they hate Daesh but they also mention that they hate the regime just as much. Of course Hezbollah isn't what it used to be in terms of military and how it goes by achieving its goals. They dont blow up or launch suicide attacks because they are comfortable and stable. When you put Hezbollah or even iran on the defensive they immediately turn to sending suicide bombers, kids, this isn't anything new its just a change of tactics and strategy due to being on the upperhand now. Hezbollah is a Lebanese group true but it is undeniably a tool of Iran, Hezbollah does what Iran tells it to do, iran isn't obviously going to want Lebanese officials make national goals that will benefit the country and try to remove it from the turmoil from the region because Lebanon is too strategic to Iran, therefore it orders Hezbollah to conduct the assassinations and blackmail and threats. In beirut, in neighborhoods we know the men that come here they buy and rent apartments are Hezbollah but they do this in our areas because they store their arms and would use these "properties" as staging points to cut off any attempt to enforce an goal or vision that is not their in territory not directly controlled by them. Look at the Sunni in Lebanon, in Tripoli, Arsal, Sidon, people are welcoming the Nusra and Daesh because theya re sick of Hezbollah and the lebanese government that submits to their will because they are took weak. The Christians is a whole other story that requires a long paragraph. Yes Hezbollah they give to their own people the Shia, but the strategic and military goals are directed by Iran, that is the part that is bad. Im saying the fact that Syria had to bring in Iranian proxy group, IRGC, let Iran create Hezbollah like militias in Syria highlights how the official regime of Bashar al Assad is a puppet of Iran because it is too weak to even protect itself from the inside.

1 ) No, that's zero proof. Who says that those men killing government people/supporters are representing the majority of the population huh?
2 ) I think NATO has a hell of alot more resources to conduct such investigation then you have, and becouse of that we just assume its true becouse people like you cannot show otherwise.
3 ) Source?
4 ) Source?
5 ) Oh please, Show me where Iran used children as Suicide bombers. Then also to mention, do you have any idea on how many organizations have used them in the past? It isn't much new today nor will it probably ever be. There's little difference in dropping a bomb on 20 people or sending a person to bomb himself plus 19 people.
6 ) Once again, Iran has alot of influence over Hezbollah, but in the end Hezbollah is not owned by Iran and if they don't think Lebanon or Hezbollah will not benefit from a certain action Iran would want them to preform they will simply refuse. Hezbollah is far from what you seem to believe it is.
7 ) Lebanon isn't really that strategic to Iran, the only reason Hezbollah actually exists is becouse of A.Trying to combat Syrian influence in Lebanon and B. Israel.
8 ) If you know something about Hezbollah then you would know they also give to the others, Christians and Sunni's alike.
9 ) Only partial, this becouse of A. The threat coming from Israel, who still occupies Lebanese land and B. The remaining threats that come from pretty much all directions at the moment.
10 ) The Syrian crisis is everything but a conflict from the inside, do you even know what is happening there? Its very much a proxy war between the "west" and "east". Claiming that its an internal conflict is plain and simple a bunch of bs.

Zero proof? really? The formations of forces, the defections from the army, the fact that Assad had to create a National Defense Force consisting of Shiite and Alawi militia men instead of using the majority of us regular army because the majority of them are Sunni for fear of defection? Again, NATO really is gonna send people into a war torn country filled with indiscriminate sides that dont abide to any rule of law and take a nice good survey of all the Syrian people? The only viable way to get some official document that could say anything is from the regime which obviously is gonna distort everything. I mean if you actually believe Assad won the election then you dont know anything about Syria, let alone authoritarian presidents that are dictators. No, you actually dont know what Hezbollah is at all. You see everything from an outsiders perspective which is black and white which is non-existent in this region. Lebanon not strategic to iran? Iran is trying to expand its influence all over the Middle East especially around Israel. Did you completely ignore the fact that Lebanon is on the Mediterranean coast, has a weak government and is perfect for an Iranian proxy? Do you listen to Nasrallah? have you talked to hezbollah people? The ayatollah is their master. This concept of protecting Lebanon doesnt exist physically on the ground. If they wanted to protect Lebanon they would integrate their military with the state and negotiate with other parties without assassinating people and threatning everyone. The Syrian crisis is everything from a conflict in the inside? What did I say for you to say that? I just highlighted the fact that without Iran her proxies he would be cooked, because he needed them to create militias and send forces within his own country. With regards to hezbollah giving to christians if you do not understand Lebanon well at all learn this, post-1990 the Lebanese Christians split between two leaders. This requires a whole other paragraph to explain, but simply speaking both leaders are vying to become president of lebanon. One of them moved with hezbollah believing he has a better chance of being president because of their superior backing. His followers are the people whos families and relatives were killed and harmed by the other christian leader. This is a very basic explantion. If you read my earlier posts I explained to you that Hezbollah is merely using these people as tools. And yea, you are right there is little difference between dropping a bomb to kill 20 innocent people and sending a guy to blow himself up killing 20 innocent people. I am not on neither side and i hope to god both are eliminated. Hezbollah used many suicide bombers, again when hezbollah wasnt as powerful as it used to be it would exemplify this by sending wave after wave of suicide waves against the SLA and IDF in south lebanon militarily failing most times. Also the fact that they killed Multinational troops in Lebanon using suicide bombers is another example. Iran's suicide waves during the Iran-Iraq war, the training of suicide insurgents in Iraq during the Bush Iraq war. Hezbollah exists because it is the only faction that is strong enough that can lie in a similar alignment with Syrian policy. The Syrians would obviously rather someone else, but due the fact they aren't strong enough to create anything they need Hezbollah and Iran to keep the regime alive. The threat coming from Israel regarding the farms is ridiculous. None of us regular people in lebanon would ever volunteer to die and fight for a bunch of farms. This is the typical Hezbollah propaganda. Perhaps there are people that are sympathetic to Hezbollah or have been affected by Israel that want to, but to the average person living his normal life in Beirut, Zahle, Jounieh, Sidon ect.. no one wants to fight Israel, the IDF cannot be defeated. in 1982 they moved into lebanon and annihilated everyone all the way up to Beirut from the south.

[The Greater Lebanon]

Look at the Sunni in Lebanon, in Tripoli, Arsal, Sidon, people are welcoming the Nusra and Daesh because theya re sick of Hezbollah and the lebanese government that submits to their will because they are took weak.

If that's so, I have even less objections to barrel-bombing every armed and unarmed ISIS/Nusra supporter into oblivion. Assad was right from the start.

Support for those groups is a result of actions perpetrated unto them over the course of years and fueled by more indiscriminate attacks. People arent just born as radicals. Plus when you do live under fear and oppression, anyone seems to be better than those who have been harming you. Nusra and Daesh would instate the same torture after they win. The issue is, to remove both.

[Ganos Lao]

He's probably got a stable of nymphets attending to him anyway.

Have you read Nabokov's Lolita?

Yes, I have. Given we were discussing the Islamic State, it seemed necessary to reference it.

[Al Nahar]

I am not really in the mood to get into an argument with Greater Lebanon or Seleucids, but Seleucids your love affair with Iran/Hezbollah and Syria is hilarious. Iran should GTFO of the Arab countries and go stay in its traditional Persia. If you advocate so much for the removal of foreign powers then Iran needs to get the hell out of Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, and Yemen and stop trying to create its de-facto empire through the middle east. Let us as an Arab people sort out our mess which was in part created from the USA and taken advantage of by Iran to screw us really bad. On the note for Lebanon, it is an Arab country no doubt but im not gonna argue with Greater Lebanon for now because debating lebanon's identity is smaller than debating Iran's Revolutionary theocratic agenda in the Arab world. We hate Daesh, and Inshallah Al Qaeda and Daesh are also destroyed along with the Muslim Brotherhood that Qatar supports and that Obama protects.

[Vamtrl]

Look at the Sunni in Lebanon, in Tripoli, Arsal, Sidon, people are welcoming the Nusra and Daesh because theya re sick of Hezbollah and the lebanese government that submits to their will because they are took weak.

If that's so, I have even less objections to barrel-bombing every armed and unarmed ISIS/Nusra supporter into oblivion. Assad was right from the start.

At this point I don't care if Assad is a douche bag, I rather see this tyrant in power then the effing Daesh

[Bulgar Rouge]

If that's so, I have even less objections to barrel-bombing every armed and unarmed ISIS/Nusra supporter into oblivion. Assad was right from the start.

Support for those groups is a result of actions perpetrated unto them over the course of years and fueled by more indiscriminate attacks.

People get killed in protests everywhere, but only in the Middle East protesters tend to join terrorist groups. There's something fundamentally wrong with their idea of oppression it seems - and if that's the case, what I said above.

People arent just born as radicals. Plus when you do live under fear and oppression, anyone seems to be better than those who have been harming you.

Yes, replace a secular autocracy with a totalitarian theocratic state which kills 100+ people in each of its mass executions, stones to death and decimates entire communities along religious lines. Brilliant logic once again.

Nusra and Daesh would instate the same torture after they win. The issue is, to remove both.

And those who support them, namely anti-government groups and their fanboys. Especially the Sunni "revolutionaries" who supposedly fight for a democratic and equal society when talking to Western media yet call for the elimination of Shias and other minorities all over their social network profiles.

At this point I don't care if Assad is a douche bag, I rather see this tyrant in power then the effing Daesh

Sometimes a tyrant is simply better than all other options.

[The Transcaucasian Democratic Republic]

If that's so, I have even less objections to barrel-bombing every armed and unarmed ISIS/Nusra supporter into oblivion. Assad was right from the start.

At this point I don't care if Assad is a douche bag, I rather see this tyrant in power then the effing Daesh

Even if the relatively-moderate rebels took control Syria would become something similar to Iraq; a divided, failed nation formerly held together by a strongman (a caudillo of sorts in Hispanophone terms).

[The Seleucids (Ancient)]

1 ) No, that's zero proof. Who says that those men killing government people/supporters are representing the majority of the population huh?
2 ) I think NATO has a hell of alot more resources to conduct such investigation then you have, and becouse of that we just assume its true becouse people like you cannot show otherwise.
3 ) Source?
4 ) Source?
5 ) Oh please, Show me where Iran used children as Suicide bombers. Then also to mention, do you have any idea on how many organizations have used them in the past? It isn't much new today nor will it probably ever be. There's little difference in dropping a bomb on 20 people or sending a person to bomb himself plus 19 people.
6 ) Once again, Iran has alot of influence over Hezbollah, but in the end Hezbollah is not owned by Iran and if they don't think Lebanon or Hezbollah will not benefit from a certain action Iran would want them to preform they will simply refuse. Hezbollah is far from what you seem to believe it is.
7 ) Lebanon isn't really that strategic to Iran, the only reason Hezbollah actually exists is becouse of A.Trying to combat Syrian influence in Lebanon and B. Israel.
8 ) If you know something about Hezbollah then you would know they also give to the others, Christians and Sunni's alike.
9 ) Only partial, this becouse of A. The threat coming from Israel, who still occupies Lebanese land and B. The remaining threats that come from pretty much all directions at the moment.
10 ) The Syrian crisis is everything but a conflict from the inside, do you even know what is happening there? Its very much a proxy war between the "west" and "east". Claiming that its an internal conflict is plain and simple a bunch of bs.

Zero proof? really? The formations of forces, the defections from the army, the fact that Assad had to create a National Defense Force consisting of Shiite and Alawi militia men instead of using the majority of us regular army because the majority of them are Sunni for fear of defection? Again, NATO really is gonna send people into a war torn country filled with indiscriminate sides that dont abide to any rule of law and take a nice good survey of all the Syrian people? The only viable way to get some official document that could say anything is from the regime which obviously is gonna distort everything. I mean if you actually believe Assad won the election then you dont know anything about Syria, let alone authoritarian presidents that are dictators. No, you actually dont know what Hezbollah is at all. You see everything from an outsiders perspective which is black and white which is non-existent in this region. Lebanon not strategic to iran? Iran is trying to expand its influence all over the Middle East especially around Israel. Did you completely ignore the fact that Lebanon is on the Mediterranean coast, has a weak government and is perfect for an Iranian proxy? Do you listen to Nasrallah? have you talked to hezbollah people? The ayatollah is their master. This concept of protecting Lebanon doesnt exist physically on the ground. If they wanted to protect Lebanon they would integrate their military with the state and negotiate with other parties without assassinating people and threatning everyone. The Syrian crisis is everything from a conflict in the inside? What did I say for you to say that? I just highlighted the fact that without Iran her proxies he would be cooked, because he needed them to create militias and send forces within his own country. With regards to hezbollah giving to christians if you do not understand Lebanon well at all learn this, post-1990 the Lebanese Christians split between two leaders. This requires a whole other paragraph to explain, but simply speaking both leaders are vying to become president of lebanon. One of them moved with hezbollah believing he has a better chance of being president because of their superior backing. His followers are the people whos families and relatives were killed and harmed by the other christian leader. This is a very basic explantion. If you read my earlier posts I explained to you that Hezbollah is merely using these people as tools. And yea, you are right there is little difference between dropping a bomb to kill 20 innocent people and sending a guy to blow himself up killing 20 innocent people. I am not on neither side and i hope to god both are eliminated. Hezbollah used many suicide bombers, again when hezbollah wasnt as powerful as it used to be it would exemplify this by sending wave after wave of suicide waves against the SLA and IDF in south lebanon militarily failing most times. Also the fact that they killed Multinational troops in Lebanon using suicide bombers is another example. Iran's suicide waves during the Iran-Iraq war, the training of suicide insurgents in Iraq during the Bush Iraq war. Hezbollah exists because it is the only faction that is strong enough that can lie in a similar alignment with Syrian policy. The Syrians would obviously rather someone else, but due the fact they aren't strong enough to create anything they need Hezbollah and Iran to keep the regime alive. The threat coming from Israel regarding the farms is ridiculous. None of us regular people in lebanon would ever volunteer to die and fight for a bunch of farms. This is the typical Hezbollah propaganda. Perhaps there are people that are sympathetic to Hezbollah or have been affected by Israel that want to, but to the average person living his normal life in Beirut, Zahle, Jounieh, Sidon ect.. no one wants to fight Israel, the IDF cannot be defeated. in 1982 they moved into lebanon and annihilated everyone all the way up to Beirut from the south.

Lets cut it right here.
I ask you several times for sources, now i'm leaving you with two options;
A. You come forward with the requested sources so we can continue this debate
B. You don't show them and proof you're talking bs.

I am not really in the mood to get into an argument with Greater Lebanon or Seleucids, but Seleucids your love affair with Iran/Hezbollah and Syria is hilarious. Iran should GTFO of the Arab countries and go stay in its traditional Persia. If you advocate so much for the removal of foreign powers then Iran needs to get the hell out of Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, and Yemen and stop trying to create its de-facto empire through the middle east. Let us as an Arab people sort out our mess which was in part created from the USA and taken advantage of by Iran to screw us really bad. On the note for Lebanon, it is an Arab country no doubt but im not gonna argue with Greater Lebanon for now because debating lebanon's identity is smaller than debating Iran's Revolutionary theocratic agenda in the Arab world. We hate Daesh, and Inshallah Al Qaeda and Daesh are also destroyed along with the Muslim Brotherhood that Qatar supports and that Obama protects.

Congratulations!, you just proved yourself to be narrow minded.

[West Aurelia]

ISIS's brutal beheading video: Search for clues.

It was a killing choreographed for maximum brutality: The simultaneous beheading of 22 Syrian captives held by ISIS.
In November, ISIS released a propaganda video titled "Though the Unbelievers Despise It." It featured the apparent murder of an American hostage, Peter Kassig (known as Abdul Rahman Kassig after his conversion to Islam), and the mass killing of what appear to be nearly two dozen Syrian soldiers.

The US-based terrorism research organization TRAC (Terrorism Research & Analysis Consortium) and UK-based counter-extremism think tank Quilliam have analyzed the footage frame-by-frame to understand the video's production techniques, the identity of the hostages and their killers, and the visual significance of such calculated brutality.

Here are some of their findings:

• The video would have cost at least $200,000 to produce, according to TRAC. Similar to a feature film, the video features multiple takes using HD cameras to create images of a professional quality.
• Nearly all the killers appear unmasked and are clearly identifiable. There are 22 ISIS fighters of varying ethnicities and nationalities, all wearing the same camouflage uniforms. They are led by the militant known to the British press as "Jihadi John," the masked fighter with a British accent responsible for the killing of western hostages.
• Only one of the killers has been identified: Maxime Hauchard, a Muslim convert from France. Several other countries are now investigating whether any of their citizens are in the video.
• Lighting and shadows reveal the video was shot over a 4 to 6 hour period. The video was shot in multiple takes, and contains several inconsistencies. The order of the killers and prisoners in the line-up is switched in several places. In certain frames, fighters are seen chatting with one another, apparently passing time between takes.
• Two of the ISIS fighters wear clip-on microphones, but their audio is not recorded. It's possible their recorded messages were either cut out or have been saved for a future release.
• Three of the killers are have been edited out of the video, seen only in transitional sequences. This includes a fighter in a balaclava, the only masked militant other than "Jihadi John." TRAC believes the second masked militant may be acting as a body double for "Jihadi John," someone who acts as a decoy in case of an airstrike.

[The Greater Lebanon]

Zero proof? really? The formations of forces, the defections from the army, the fact that Assad had to create a National Defense Force consisting of Shiite and Alawi militia men instead of using the majority of us regular army because the majority of them are Sunni for fear of defection? Again, NATO really is gonna send people into a war torn country filled with indiscriminate sides that dont abide to any rule of law and take a nice good survey of all the Syrian people? The only viable way to get some official document that could say anything is from the regime which obviously is gonna distort everything. I mean if you actually believe Assad won the election then you dont know anything about Syria, let alone authoritarian presidents that are dictators. No, you actually dont know what Hezbollah is at all. You see everything from an outsiders perspective which is black and white which is non-existent in this region. Lebanon not strategic to iran? Iran is trying to expand its influence all over the Middle East especially around Israel. Did you completely ignore the fact that Lebanon is on the Mediterranean coast, has a weak government and is perfect for an Iranian proxy? Do you listen to Nasrallah? have you talked to hezbollah people? The ayatollah is their master. This concept of protecting Lebanon doesnt exist physically on the ground. If they wanted to protect Lebanon they would integrate their military with the state and negotiate with other parties without assassinating people and threatning everyone. The Syrian crisis is everything from a conflict in the inside? What did I say for you to say that? I just highlighted the fact that without Iran her proxies he would be cooked, because he needed them to create militias and send forces within his own country. With regards to hezbollah giving to christians if you do not understand Lebanon well at all learn this, post-1990 the Lebanese Christians split between two leaders. This requires a whole other paragraph to explain, but simply speaking both leaders are vying to become president of lebanon. One of them moved with hezbollah believing he has a better chance of being president because of their superior backing. His followers are the people whos families and relatives were killed and harmed by the other christian leader. This is a very basic explantion. If you read my earlier posts I explained to you that Hezbollah is merely using these people as tools. And yea, you are right there is little difference between dropping a bomb to kill 20 innocent people and sending a guy to blow himself up killing 20 innocent people. I am not on neither side and i hope to god both are eliminated. Hezbollah used many suicide bombers, again when hezbollah wasnt as powerful as it used to be it would exemplify this by sending wave after wave of suicide waves against the SLA and IDF in south lebanon militarily failing most times. Also the fact that they killed Multinational troops in Lebanon using suicide bombers is another example. Iran's suicide waves during the Iran-Iraq war, the training of suicide insurgents in Iraq during the Bush Iraq war. Hezbollah exists because it is the only faction that is strong enough that can lie in a similar alignment with Syrian policy. The Syrians would obviously rather someone else, but due the fact they aren't strong enough to create anything they need Hezbollah and Iran to keep the regime alive. The threat coming from Israel regarding the farms is ridiculous. None of us regular people in lebanon would ever volunteer to die and fight for a bunch of farms. This is the typical Hezbollah propaganda. Perhaps there are people that are sympathetic to Hezbollah or have been affected by Israel that want to, but to the average person living his normal life in Beirut, Zahle, Jounieh, Sidon ect.. no one wants to fight Israel, the IDF cannot be defeated. in 1982 they moved into lebanon and annihilated everyone all the way up to Beirut from the south.

Lets cut it right here.
I ask you several times for sources, now i'm leaving you with two options;
A. You come forward with the requested sources so we can continue this debate
B. You don't show them and proof you're talking bs.

What exactly do you want a source for?

[The Greater Lebanon]

Support for those groups is a result of actions perpetrated unto them over the course of years and fueled by more indiscriminate attacks.

People get killed in protests everywhere, but only in the Middle East protesters tend to join terrorist groups. There's something fundamentally wrong with their idea of oppression it seems - and if that's the case, what I said above.

People arent just born as radicals. Plus when you do live under fear and oppression, anyone seems to be better than those who have been harming you.

Yes, replace a secular autocracy with a totalitarian theocratic state which kills 100+ people in each of its mass executions, stones to death and decimates entire communities along religious lines. Brilliant logic once again.

Nusra and Daesh would instate the same torture after they win. The issue is, to remove both.

And those who support them, namely anti-government groups and their fanboys. Especially the Sunni "revolutionaries" who supposedly fight for a democratic and equal society when talking to Western media yet call for the elimination of Shias and other minorities all over their social network profiles.

At this point I don't care if Assad is a douche bag, I rather see this tyrant in power then the effing Daesh

Sometimes a tyrant is simply better than all other options.

You see it as a black and white issue, you see it as a Terrorist vs Non-terrorist right from the beginning. That doesn't exist in the Middle East. People didn't join Nusra and Daesh right at the begining of the war immediately. The Groups that were organized apart from Radical groups, simply the ones who wanted to fight Assad were underfunded, disorganized, and thought the West would help them. Islamist gorups had much better funding and support from Erdogan, Qatar, Muslim Brotherhood. They saw for example Nusra as the leading force that could combat assad. People never really experienced living in an Islamic State but they have under a regime like Assad. From their experience they obviously chose the one that was fighting the regime. I never called for the elimination of Shias, I simply am against Hezbollah and Iranian dominance. We dont want to live with a terrorist group and a government far away dominating our politics and region. The fact that you support a dictator who oppresses his Sunni majority is impressive. This isn't Saddam who kept the balance by being a massive counter-weight to Iran, Assad is a pawn for Tehran that has his own regional ambitions that are in line with Iran's much larger ones.

[Al Nahar]

I am not really in the mood to get into an argument with Greater Lebanon or Seleucids, but Seleucids your love affair with Iran/Hezbollah and Syria is hilarious. Iran should GTFO of the Arab countries and go stay in its traditional Persia. If you advocate so much for the removal of foreign powers then Iran needs to get the hell out of Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, and Yemen and stop trying to create its de-facto empire through the middle east. Let us as an Arab people sort out our mess which was in part created from the USA and taken advantage of by Iran to screw us really bad. On the note for Lebanon, it is an Arab country no doubt but im not gonna argue with Greater Lebanon for now because debating lebanon's identity is smaller than debating Iran's Revolutionary theocratic agenda in the Arab world. We hate Daesh, and Inshallah Al Qaeda and Daesh are also destroyed along with the Muslim Brotherhood that Qatar supports and that Obama protects.

Congratulations!, you just proved yourself to be narrow minded.[/quote]

you amaze me, you might as well join Iran's Cyber Army.

[The balkens]

I am not really in the mood to get into an argument with Greater Lebanon or Seleucids, but Seleucids your love affair with Iran/Hezbollah and Syria is hilarious. Iran should GTFO of the Arab countries and go stay in its traditional Persia. If you advocate so much for the removal of foreign powers then Iran needs to get the hell out of Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, and Yemen and stop trying to create its de-facto empire through the middle east. Let us as an Arab people sort out our mess which was in part created from the USA and taken advantage of by Iran to screw us really bad. On the note for Lebanon, it is an Arab country no doubt but im not gonna argue with Greater Lebanon for now because debating lebanon's identity is smaller than debating Iran's Revolutionary theocratic agenda in the Arab world. We hate Daesh, and Inshallah Al Qaeda and Daesh are also destroyed along with the Muslim Brotherhood that Qatar supports and that Obama protects.

Congratulations!, you just proved yourself to be narrow minded.

you amaze me, you might as well join Iran's Cyber Army.[/quote]

What?

[The Seleucids (Ancient)]

Lets cut it right here.
I ask you several times for sources, now i'm leaving you with two options;
A. You come forward with the requested sources so we can continue this debate
B. You don't show them and proof you're talking bs.

What exactly do you want a source for?

just take a look at the posts.

you amaze me, you might as well join Iran's Cyber Army.

How mature and ignorent. You really only show us how pathetic you are.

[The Greater Lebanon]

I'm trying to figure out which specifically you want me to find for you?

[The Seleucids (Ancient)]

I'm trying to figure out which specifically you want me to find for you?

You can read right?

I colored the parts that i adressed and numbered them, it shouldn't be to hard to figure it out.

[Al Nahar]

What?

Its just interesting how Seleucids and other people have such a strong desire to see Iran dominate the Arab world, it almost sounds like other pro-imperialists from Europe. People these days tend to force us to choose between Radical Sunni groups or Iran's theocratic agenda. Choosing between the two is like choosing from Both ends of the spectrum, both extreme. Go live under Iran and then I would think people's views would change rather than just seeing Iran as the good guy because Daesh cuts heads. We all know the hell it is to live under Daesh so i wont expand on that. I dont understand people who find it okay to impose a foreign power control over Arab states.

[The balkens]

Dude, fix your quotes.

[The Seleucids (Ancient)]

What?

Its just interesting how Seleucids and other people have such a strong desire to see Iran dominate the Arab world, it almost sounds like other pro-imperialists from Europe. People these days tend to force us to choose between Radical Sunni groups or Iran's theocratic agenda. Choosing between the two is like choosing from Both ends of the spectrum, both extreme. Go live under Iran and then I would think people's views would change rather than just seeing Iran as the good guy because Daesh cuts heads. We all know the hell it is to live under Daesh so i wont expand on that. I dont understand people who find it okay to impose a foreign power control over Arab states.

1) I do not desire anything, you're making stuff up that isn't there.
2) Its about realism, nothing more.

[Al Nahar]

Its just interesting how Seleucids and other people have such a strong desire to see Iran dominate the Arab world, it almost sounds like other pro-imperialists from Europe. People these days tend to force us to choose between Radical Sunni groups or Iran's theocratic agenda. Choosing between the two is like choosing from Both ends of the spectrum, both extreme. Go live under Iran and then I would think people's views would change rather than just seeing Iran as the good guy because Daesh cuts heads. We all know the hell it is to live under Daesh so i wont expand on that. I dont understand people who find it okay to impose a foreign power control over Arab states.

1) I do not desire anything, you're making stuff up that isn't there.
2) Its about realism, nothing more.

Well, clearly you seem to support and promote Iran's actions which are clearly meddling in the affairs of Arab states. This is the exact same thing the Americans have done for some time. What is realism? The fact that there are only two sides in this war? Come on give me break, Iran and its puppets may have the strong hand on one side and Daesh, Al Qaeda, corrupt Gulf money may have the upper hand in another but that doesnt mean thats all their is to the conflict.

[West Aurelia]

Qaeda Commander Denounces Decapitations as Used by Islamic State.

ISTANBUL — Nearly a decade ago, Ayman al-Zawahiri -- the man who would go on to become the head of Al Qaeda -- wrote a letter to his deputy in Iraq, scolding him for beheading hostages and posting videos of their execution online. He explained that although he was in favor of killing the enemy and agreed with the principle of sowing terror, the scenes of slaughter risked turning public opinion against their organization.

His advice was to be more discreet: "Kill the captives by bullet."

The letter -- written in 2005 and recovered by American forces in Iraq -- was addressed to Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, the founder of the group that would become the Islamic State, which split off from the Qaeda network earlier this year.

In a 43-minute video, Nasr bin Ali al-Ansi, a military strategist and official of Al Qaeda's branch in Yemen, is asked whether he condones recent beheadings. He says that although some Qaeda members may have carried out such acts, the organization does not sanction the practice.

"No doubt, some of our brothers were affected by seeing scenes of beheadings that were spread recently. We do not accept -- and we strongly reject them," Mr. al-Ansi says, according to a transcript provided by SITE Intelligence, an organization that tracks jihadist propaganda. "Recording such acts and spreading them among the people in the name of religion and jihad, we see as a big mistake. It is not acceptable, no matter the justification."

He makes clear that the position he is articulating is not just his own, or even that of Al Qaeda's branch in Yemen known as Al Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula, but rather is the guidance of the group's most senior current leaders -- and reflected the wishes of Osama bin Laden himself. "Therefore, I assert that whoever does such actions," he says, "he has violated the command of Sheikh Osama."

A veteran of Al Qaeda, Mr. al-Ansi moved to Afghanistan in the 1990s to train in the group's elite camps. He was dispatched by bin Laden to the Philippines in 2001 to help guide jihadists there, including by teaching them the principles of Shariah law, as well as military tactics.

He says in Monday's video that bin Laden specifically asked him to stress to the cell in the Philippines that recording scenes of brutality was forbidden.

The Islamic State cemented its place as one of the world's most brutal terror organizations this August, when it began recording the beheadings of its American hostages, starting with the 40-year-old freelance journalist James Foley.

Last month, in one of its most horrific videos, the group posted a lengthy, cinematic production showing the decapitation of dozens of Syrian soldiers -- with the camera panning over each of their faces in the moment before they are killed. As if to draw out the horror, the screen goes to black just before they are executed and the viewer hears the panicked breathing of the victims waiting to have their throats slit.

As if to underscore the centrality of beheading, the Islamic State also posted photographs showing children decapitating their dolls.

Al Qaeda's prohibition against beheading does not mean it is necessarily less murderous. Over the weekend, Qaeda fighters in Yemen shot the American hostage Luke Somers, moments before SEAL Team 6 commandos reached the compound where he was being held captive.

And last week, the group's affiliate in Syria, the Nusra Front, posted a photograph of a Lebanese hostage being executed. Tellingly, the image shows the man kneeling as a fighter aims a gun at his head.

Though the moment of death is not shown, the clear implication is that he was -- in keeping with the advice of senior leaders -- killed by bullet.

[Gauthier]

Qaeda Commander Denounces Decapitations as Used by Islamic State.

ISTANBUL — Nearly a decade ago, Ayman al-Zawahiri -- the man who would go on to become the head of Al Qaeda -- wrote a letter to his deputy in Iraq, scolding him for beheading hostages and posting videos of their execution online. He explained that although he was in favor of killing the enemy and agreed with the principle of sowing terror, the scenes of slaughter risked turning public opinion against their organization.

His advice was to be more discreet: "Kill the captives by bullet."

The letter -- written in 2005 and recovered by American forces in Iraq -- was addressed to Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, the founder of the group that would become the Islamic State, which split off from the Qaeda network earlier this year.

In a 43-minute video, Nasr bin Ali al-Ansi, a military strategist and official of Al Qaeda's branch in Yemen, is asked whether he condones recent beheadings. He says that although some Qaeda members may have carried out such acts, the organization does not sanction the practice.

"No doubt, some of our brothers were affected by seeing scenes of beheadings that were spread recently. We do not accept -- and we strongly reject them," Mr. al-Ansi says, according to a transcript provided by SITE Intelligence, an organization that tracks jihadist propaganda. "Recording such acts and spreading them among the people in the name of religion and jihad, we see as a big mistake. It is not acceptable, no matter the justification."

He makes clear that the position he is articulating is not just his own, or even that of Al Qaeda's branch in Yemen known as Al Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula, but rather is the guidance of the group's most senior current leaders -- and reflected the wishes of Osama bin Laden himself. "Therefore, I assert that whoever does such actions," he says, "he has violated the command of Sheikh Osama."

A veteran of Al Qaeda, Mr. al-Ansi moved to Afghanistan in the 1990s to train in the group's elite camps. He was dispatched by bin Laden to the Philippines in 2001 to help guide jihadists there, including by teaching them the principles of Shariah law, as well as military tactics.

He says in Monday's video that bin Laden specifically asked him to stress to the cell in the Philippines that recording scenes of brutality was forbidden.

The Islamic State cemented its place as one of the world's most brutal terror organizations this August, when it began recording the beheadings of its American hostages, starting with the 40-year-old freelance journalist James Foley.

Last month, in one of its most horrific videos, the group posted a lengthy, cinematic production showing the decapitation of dozens of Syrian soldiers -- with the camera panning over each of their faces in the moment before they are killed. As if to draw out the horror, the screen goes to black just before they are executed and the viewer hears the panicked breathing of the victims waiting to have their throats slit.

As if to underscore the centrality of beheading, the Islamic State also posted photographs showing children decapitating their dolls.

Al Qaeda's prohibition against beheading does not mean it is necessarily less murderous. Over the weekend, Qaeda fighters in Yemen shot the American hostage Luke Somers, moments before SEAL Team 6 commandos reached the compound where he was being held captive.

And last week, the group's affiliate in Syria, the Nusra Front, posted a photograph of a Lebanese hostage being executed. Tellingly, the image shows the man kneeling as a fighter aims a gun at his head.

Though the moment of death is not shown, the clear implication is that he was -- in keeping with the advice of senior leaders -- killed by bullet.

Even Al'Qaeda sees that ISIS is dangerously Stupid Evil.

[Bulgar Rouge]

You see it as a black and white issue, you see it as a Terrorist vs Non-terrorist right from the beginning.

Experience shows that whatever the beginning, the outcome is always one and the same.

People didn't join Nusra and Daesh right at the begining of the war immediately. The Groups that were organized apart from Radical groups, simply the ones who wanted to fight Assad were underfunded, disorganized, and thought the West would help them.

A disorganised "freedom fighter" group is nothing but a menace. If you want regime change, clarify your goals, your strategy and work on it. If you can't do that, GTFO. It's as simple as that. Such "freedom fighters" are inevitably responsible for creating the chaos where fundamentalists thrive, so they should be considered legitimate targets as well. Differentiation between them and radicals should be made for tactical purposes only.

Islamist gorups had much better funding and support from Erdogan, Qatar, Muslim Brotherhood. They saw for example Nusra as the leading force that could combat assad. People never really experienced living in an Islamic State but they have under a regime like Assad. From their experience they obviously chose the one that was fighting the regime.

Thanks for confirming what I just said.^

I never called for the elimination of Shias, I simply am against Hezbollah and Iranian dominance. We dont want to live with a terrorist group and a government far away dominating our politics and region. The fact that you support a dictator who oppresses his Sunni majority is impressive. This isn't Saddam who kept the balance by being a massive counter-weight to Iran, Assad is a pawn for Tehran that has his own regional ambitions that are in line with Iran's much larger ones.

Well if you don't want that, what are you waiting for ? It's not Iran's fault that Lebanon can't choose a fucking president, it's not Iran's fault that Lebanon is doing a piss-poor job of being the island of stability it tries to be. Building a thriving economy, a stable society and a sound political system is entirely the responsibility of Lebanon, nobody else. I'm pretty sure Assad has absolutely no desire to be an Iranian pawn (I, for one, don't want to see Syria being one either), but he jumped into Iran's embrace mainly because everyone else isolated him in a critical situation out of ridiculous ideological reasons ("hurr durr support freedomz tyrants must go"). If you don't want your neighbors to become someone's pawns, you interact with them, not isolate them.