Exploring bias: why _do_ I think conservatives are wrong?

[Socialist Czechia]

Stagnation is bad, m'kay?

Besides, you can't conserve anything. World is about change. And no change is without pain. It's there, no one can stop that. So being conservatist means you're rigid, ignorant or naive.

[Murkwood]

Fine, I'll give you a longer explanation.

1-hate gender equality
2-hate poor people
3-refuse to help the needy
4-hateful of nonbelievers
5-stereo typically racist

1. Conservatives don't feel intense or passionate dislike for gender equality. They just disagree with it.
2. Conservatives don't feel intense or passionate dislike for poor people.
3. Conservatives don't refuse to help the poor. Rather, the have different ideas on how to help.
4. This isn't necessarily a Conservative trait.
5. And Jews stereotypically horde money. Stereotypes are wrong.

1. That's still hate(And yes, a lot of them would rather have white men run everything)
2. True
3. Most(Not all) want to get rid of welfare and basically tell poor or homeless people to get a job.(Yes, I even heard a conservative say this)
4. Considering most are very religious... and almost(Not all) all Christian or Catholic
5. Yes, they are.

1. Disagreeing is not hate.
3. First off, that's not very mainstream. Second, it's not because they hate the poor. Rather, they believe that what they are doing is actually helpful.
4. I'm religious, and I don't hate atheists. Most Conservatives are like me.
5. That's bullshit.

[Jumalariik]

No, you don't know what it is. You think Conservatism is an inherently anti-poor, anti-gay, anti-women, anti-black, anti-atheist ideology for rich WASPs. That's bullshit.

Then provide me with a non-biased source that states otherwise.

Are you saying you've never met a poor conservative?

[Othelos]

So tell me how conservative (see, protectionist) positions on the economy have not been wrong.

Well, first starters, conservatives are right that minimal government intervention in the economy is right. They're also right that small businesses are the primary job creators. And they're also right that low corporate taxes will help bring corporations back to the US.

Also, I'd like to remind everyone that 50 years of Democratic rule led to Detroit's present situation.

yeah politicians can suck, democratic or republican.

[Vicious Debaters]

Conservatives are wrong because you disagree with them.

Politics in America is like being on a used car lot. The guy on the right is a totally obvious sleazeball, and the guy on the left promises stuff you like, but takes every opportunity to cheat you that he can get away with. The real solution is to examine both of them, back away, and stop being loyal to either of them. The Republican is an obvious asshole, while the Democrat never keeps his promises- fuck both of 'em.

[Korouse]

People seem to not get Conservatism at all:

Conservatism promotes stability and continuity. This definition varies from country to country, but here in the U.S. I see the GOP as more Reactionary than Conservative.

[Idzequitch]

No, you don't know what it is. You think Conservatism is an inherently anti-poor, anti-gay, anti-women, anti-black, anti-atheist ideology for rich WASPs. That's bullshit.

Then provide me with a non-biased source that states otherwise.

Oh now there's a trick! How about you provide a non-biased source that states conservatism is those things?
That's going to be difficult seeing as every single source is biased in some way.

[Murkwood]

No, you don't know what it is. You think Conservatism is an inherently anti-poor, anti-gay, anti-women, anti-black, anti-atheist ideology for rich WASPs. That's bullshit.

Then provide me with a non-biased source that states otherwise.

A political philosophy based on tradition and social stability, stressing established institutions, and preferring gradual development to abrupt change; specifically : such a philosophy calling for lower taxes, limited government regulation of business and investing, a strong national defense, and individual financial responsibility for personal needs (as retirement income or health-care coverage)

How about you provide me a source for your ramblings?

[Baxten]

I use to be extremely liberal. Then conservative. Then Libertarian. And now, Centrist.

Okay then. What does this have to do with the thread?

Read the OP.

[Othelos]

People seem to not get Conservatism at all:

Conservatism promotes stability and continuity. This definition varies from country to country, but here in the U.S. I see the GOP as more Reactionary than Conservative.

The world isn't stable or continuous, which is the main problem with social conservatism.

[Jumalariik]

I use to be extremely liberal. Then conservative. Then Libertarian. And now, Centrist.

Okay then. What does this have to do with the thread?

There is almost nothing to discuss that I understand on the thread, what he said was not off topic, if it was, then what you said about news is also off topic. If it's got nothing to do with the thread, the mods will deal with it, it's not spam.

[Murkwood]

Some people have views against it. Mostly, it's based on religion, but there can be other reasons. Take me, for example. Look at LGBT. Those first three, I agree. However, T gets me. Regardless of the question of whether someone has had his/her genitals amputated, they don't become a different gender, but an effigy of a different gender. Sex is a biological reality, and it is not subordinate to subjective impressions, no matter how intense those impressions are, how sincerely they are held, or how painful they make facing the biological facts of life. No hormone injection or surgical mutilation is sufficient to change that.

At least, that's my view.

Ok wait. Transgender issues aren't 'gender equality' issues, those would be women's rights issues.

people always lump them in with gender equality issues.

[Othelos]

Ok wait. Transgender issues aren't 'gender equality' issues, those would be women's rights issues.

people always lump them in with gender equality issues.

gender issues and gender equality issues are different things. i think you might be confusing them

[Napkiraly]

People seem to not get Conservatism at all:

Conservatism promotes stability and continuity. This definition varies from country to country, but here in the U.S. I see the GOP as more Reactionary than Conservative.

Depends on the Republican in question. There are still Rockefeller Republicans, albeit they are now much smaller in number.

[Murkwood]

people always lump them in with gender equality issues.

gender issues and gender equality issues are different things.

Usually, people mean them as the same.

[New haven america]

1. That's still hate(And yes, a lot of them would rather have white men run everything)
2. True
3. Most(Not all) want to get rid of welfare and basically tell poor or homeless people to get a job.(Yes, I even heard a conservative say this)
4. Considering most are very religious... and almost(Not all) all Christian or Catholic
5. Yes, they are.

1. Disagreeing is not hate.
3. First off, that's not very mainstream. Second, it's not because they hate the poor. Rather, they believe that what they are doing is actually helpful.
4. I'm religious, and I don't hate atheists. Most Conservatives are like me.
5. That's bullshit.

1. If you want to take away the rights of a large portion of the country, it's hate, no way around it.
3. Actually, it's very mainstream, most want welfare gone. Some poor people have 3 jobs and are still poor, it's not helping anything.
4. And I'm Christian, yet I can see most conservative's don't like atheists.
5. No, it's not, I know it's hard to accept but it's true.

[Othelos]

gender issues and gender equality issues are different things.

Usually, people mean them as the same.

I don't think so. They deal with different sets of the population. They might overlap, but they aren't the same.

[Thalbania]

How is stability opposed to well being? Don't the two almost rely on each other in many cases?
Ok, maybe you're right with tolerance v. tradition, they're still not mutually exclusive.
Education v religion? Come on. Religion is not inherently against education, if it was, why would they make schools to teach people well for cheaper than other private schools?
Again, not mutually exclusive.

Those were lists. Just lists.

[Korouse]

People seem to not get Conservatism at all:

Conservatism promotes stability and continuity. This definition varies from country to country, but here in the U.S. I see the GOP as more Reactionary than Conservative.

The world isn't stable or continuous, which is the main problem with social conservatism.

So because the world isn't stable means one nation can't be stable?

Because fuck logic, once again.

[Murkwood]

1. Disagreeing is not hate.
3. First off, that's not very mainstream. Second, it's not because they hate the poor. Rather, they believe that what they are doing is actually helpful.
4. I'm religious, and I don't hate atheists. Most Conservatives are like me.
5. That's bullshit.

1. If you want to take away the rights of a large portion of the country, it's hate, no way around it.
3. Actually, it's very mainstream, most want welfare gone. Some poor people have 3 jobs and are still poor, it's not helping anything.
4. And I'm Christian, yet I can see most conservative's don't like atheists.
5. No, it's not, I know it's hard to accept but it's true.

Look, this is going nowhere. Let's agree to disagree.

[Jormengand]

Usually, people mean them as the same.

I don't think so. They deal with different sets of the population. They might overlap, but they aren't the same.

Also, whether they're the same or different, hating people because they're trans and you're a conservative is just as stupid as hating them because they're female and you're a conservative.

Look, this is going nowhere. Let's agree to disagree.

"Look, I'm losing. Let's shut off all potential for rational debate on this subject."

[Jumalariik]

How is stability opposed to well being? Don't the two almost rely on each other in many cases?
Ok, maybe you're right with tolerance v. tradition, they're still not mutually exclusive.
Education v religion? Come on. Religion is not inherently against education, if it was, why would they make schools to teach people well for cheaper than other private schools?
Again, not mutually exclusive.

Those were lists. Just lists.

Do you see my point?

That a. the things you mentioned were often not mutually exclusive and b. that in the case of the education v. religion, it could offend people?

I'm sorry that I answered the topic in a confrontational way, but I don't like being indirectly called uneducated.

[Magna Libero]

Because people just tend to have strong opinions on small matters that don't matter much in the end. In fact, in some cases the human mind can feel strong hatred towards an idea and in some cases the human mind is tricked to even kill someone, because it goes against the opinion of oneself. I would say that politics is an opium.

And I'm an anarcho-capitalist.

[Jumalariik]

Because people just tend to have strong opinions on small matters that don't matter much in the end. In fact, in some cases the human mind can feel strong hatred towards an idea and in some cases the human mind is tricked to even kill someone, because it goes against the opinion of oneself. I would say that politics is an opium.

And I'm an anarcho-capitalist.

Oxymoron spotted.

[The Orson Empire]

Then provide me with a non-biased source that states otherwise.

Are you saying you've never met a poor conservative?

No, I haven't. The poor are generally not welcomed in the Republican Party.