Should the possession of marijuana be legal?

[Infected Mushroom]

is it a dangerous and addictive recreational drug like marijuana or heroin?

if so, it should be banned unless a doctor prescribes it on a case by case basis to help with certain medical conditions.

in most cases, banned i think.

I find it hilarious that you say marijuana is dangerous and addictive, when it flat out isn't.

And even if it was...who cares? Your knee-jerk "addictive=ban" is illogical.

it needs to be both addictive and very dangerous.

I have given sources about how its dangerous. I also learned in school that it's dangerous and I'm sure teachers don't usually lie, at least not where I come from.

[Punkvania]

I think I'm beginning to see the problem, then.

When you disregard or pervert logic, anything can be painted "logical".

"Global warming is a scientific fact.... because white gays are marrying blacks! Marijuana spreads HIV!"

[Organized States]

is it a dangerous and addictive recreational drug like marijuana or heroin?

if so, it should be banned unless a doctor prescribes it on a case by case basis to help with certain medical conditions.

in most cases, banned i think.

I find it hilarious that you say marijuana is dangerous and addictive, when it flat out isn't.

And even if it was...who cares? Your knee-jerk "addictive=ban" is illogical.

Not entirely true, Pot has been shown to cause addiction in 9% of users (rather small minority), and has been shown to cause development issues in adolescents and children, but most studies with adults has been shown to have neutral effects. I personally believe if you are over 21, you can buy it (still, keeping it restricted like Alcohol and Tobacco).

[Scomagia]

When you disregard or pervert logic, anything can be painted "logical".

"Global warming is a scientific fact.... because white gays are marrying blacks! Marijuana spreads HIV!"

Ban logic!

[Punkvania]

I find it hilarious that you say marijuana is dangerous and addictive, when it flat out isn't.

And even if it was...who cares? Your knee-jerk "addictive=ban" is illogical.

it needs to be both addictive and very dangerous.

I have given sources about how its dangerous. I also learned in school that it's dangerous and I'm sure teachers don't usually lie, at least not where I come from.

I know you're being disingenuous, just to stir the pot. You aren't trolling, you're just enjoying this heat.

[Washington Resistance Army]

I find it hilarious that you say marijuana is dangerous and addictive, when it flat out isn't.

And even if it was...who cares? Your knee-jerk "addictive=ban" is illogical.

it needs to be both addictive and very dangerous.

I have given sources about how its dangerous. I also learned in school that it's dangerous and I'm sure teachers don't usually lie, at least not where I come from.

Hah! There are teachers who try to teach things like creationism in science class Kef.

[Scomagia]

I find it hilarious that you say marijuana is dangerous and addictive, when it flat out isn't.

And even if it was...who cares? Your knee-jerk "addictive=ban" is illogical.

it needs to be both addictive and very dangerous.

I have given sources about how its dangerous. I also learned in school that it's dangerous and I'm sure teachers don't usually lie, at least not where I come from.

You have this problem with blindly sucking up to authority. It's not healthy.

[Infected Mushroom]

it needs to be both addictive and very dangerous.

I have given sources about how its dangerous. I also learned in school that it's dangerous and I'm sure teachers don't usually lie, at least not where I come from.

Hah! There are teachers who try to teach things like creationism in science class Kef.

i went to a good school

[Freethinking Anarchists]

I find it hilarious that you say marijuana is dangerous and addictive, when it flat out isn't.

And even if it was...who cares? Your knee-jerk "addictive=ban" is illogical.

it needs to be both addictive and very dangerous.

I have given sources about how its dangerous. I also learned in school that it's dangerous and I'm sure teachers don't usually lie, at least not where I come from.

Marijuana is not "very" dangerous. Thousands of fully functional people use it daily. Your argument makes sense against heroin, not marijuana. Smoke marijuana, you will understand it is not dangerous. Until you do, you are really ignorant on the subject.

Your sources are either illogical (support blood letting) or are funded by state drug-enforcement agencies, which make a living off drugs being illegal and thus have a MASSIVE FUCKING BIAS. And using your teachers is hilarious. If teachers taught that the Slavic Ethnicity was superior to all others, would you believe it because "they usually don't lie"? It's an Appeal to Authority, and a logical fallacy.

[Washington Resistance Army]

Hah! There are teachers who try to teach things like creationism in science class Kef.

i went to a good school

Okay? Doesn't change the fact that people can lie, and apparently you got fed a lot of lies.

[Freethinking Anarchists]

Hah! There are teachers who try to teach things like creationism in science class Kef.

i went to a good school

"Good" and "bad" are subjective. The Jihadist sees science class as "bad".

[Punkvania]

We are off topic because of attention seeking.

[Nickel Empire]

How?

[Scomagia]

How?

How what?

[Sibirsky]

Although marijuana usually doesn't cause direct harm, it should remain illegal because it is a gateway drug to truly harmful substances.

Oh that's original.

Did you know that 100% of criminals first started by drinking breast milk or formula? Breast milk and formula are clearly gateway beverages.

We must ban breasts.

Your argument is pathetic, and patently false. And even if it was true, it is still none of your business what people do to their own bodies.

http://healthland.time.com/2010/10/29/m ... l-not-die/

All drugs should be legal for everyone in all ways.

How about no.

How about an actual, coherent, logical argument?

Oh, you don't have one.

How about no.

Soft drugs like weed should be legal, but hard drugs should be decriminalized.

Because prohibition has worked well, for "hard" drugs, obviously.

We don't need stoners running around. Most people that want Marijuana to be legalised aren't responsible with using it. It should be legalised, but with a license or official documents stating that the Marijuana user will be responsible around the drug. And for the people who want hard drugs legalised - Many people have died from overdoses of Cocaine and Heroin. The ban on those drugs save lives.

Because we have such a huge problem with drunks running around.



Holy fuck. Yes, obviously injecting something into your vanes bought from a pharmacy is going to be much more dangerous than what you bought from some shady dude on a street corner in the ghetto.

Yes. Regulate and tax the hell out of it. Why should anyone be punished for using a substance that is safer than alcohol? Taking crime out of marijuana will make it even safer - if people go to a shop that operates within the law, they'll buy regulated cannabis that doesn't come from drug cartels and that is ensured to pass safety standards (whilst some street dealers might mix it with other drugs). It'd create tons of new jobs, raise huge amounts of tax revenues, and reduce our high incarceration rate as well as reducing spending on law enforcement. Nonviolent offenders who are in prison for certain marijuana-related offenses should be released. More people die from tobacco than marijuana yet one is legal and the other is not. The same goes for alcohol.

We should also decriminalize the possession of hard drugs, while leaving the sale of them illegal. The penalty for possession of "hard drugs" (i.e. meth, heroine) should be mandatory rehabilitation with no resulting criminal record.

Regulate and tax the hell of it, to keep it underground!

Mandates work so well.

Government is god. I must go to church now.

Don't regulate it...

Then, there is no use for it. One of the main reasons people are in favor of legalizing pot, is to tax the living crap out of it. And if we don't regulate it? How long is it before we have some airline pilot doing pot before he does his job? I'd be fully in favor of legalizing it, but it needs to be extremely regulated.

Only among extortionists like yourself.

Other people want it legal, because it is none of your god damn business what people do to their own bodies. I do not favor taxing it.

Airlines would obviously condone pilots controlling $200 million planes with hundreds of people on board, while high. It's good for their bottom line.

Marijuana/weed turned my older brother into a schizophrenic, mentally insane monster who can't support his basic needs by himself. Of course it should be banned.

Medical too. People will "lie" and grab medical marijuana just to get high.

No, it didn't. Your brother was mentally ill before using it.

Not only is your argument based on anecdotal bullshit, is completely irrelevant, it is also sadistic.

http://reason.com/blog/2013/08/07/medic ... ed-this-li

I did not mean in a literal sense, obviously. But what I mean is that people who are addicted to drugs like heroin are addicted because it is a disease, not a personal choice. It affects not just them, but other people in society. Court-ordered rehab is really not a big deal. The courts could use discretion on whether or not to send someone to rehab, too. There needs to be something there for people who have hit rock bottom. People who are addicted to something like heroin aren't able to make decisions for themselves at that point.
It is fair to say that someone should not be punished for what is essentially a medical condition, nor should they be punished for using a drug. But they should be helped. Rather than saying "coercion!!!!", we should look at the nature of how certain things affect society. There is an important balance that needs to be met between respecting the negative liberties of individuals and respecting the collective rights of our society, with something like hard drug abuse. Rehabilitation is not authoritarian or penal - it is quite the opposite.

Addiction is a medical issue, sure.

Forced rehab is authoritarian and a punishment. It also does not work without a genuine desire of the user to quit. The best way to kill any motivation, it to force them to do it.

Through five pages, not a single coherent argument for prohibition.

[Organized States]

Although marijuana usually doesn't cause direct harm, it should remain illegal because it is a gateway drug to truly harmful substances.

Oh that's original.

Did you know that 100% of criminals first started by drinking breast milk or formula? Breast milk and formula are clearly gateway beverages.

We must ban breasts.

Your argument is pathetic, and patently false. And even if it was true, it is still none of your business what people do to their own bodies.

http://healthland.time.com/2010/10/29/m ... l-not-die/

How about no.

How about an actual, coherent, logical argument?

Oh, you don't have one.

Soft drugs like weed should be legal, but hard drugs should be decriminalized.

Because prohibition has worked well, for "hard" drugs, obviously.

We don't need stoners running around. Most people that want Marijuana to be legalised aren't responsible with using it. It should be legalised, but with a license or official documents stating that the Marijuana user will be responsible around the drug. And for the people who want hard drugs legalised - Many people have died from overdoses of Cocaine and Heroin. The ban on those drugs save lives.

Because we have such a huge problem with drunks running around.



Holy fuck. Yes, obviously injecting something into your vanes bought from a pharmacy is going to be much more dangerous than what you bought from some shady dude on a street corner in the ghetto.

Yes. Regulate and tax the hell out of it. Why should anyone be punished for using a substance that is safer than alcohol? Taking crime out of marijuana will make it even safer - if people go to a shop that operates within the law, they'll buy regulated cannabis that doesn't come from drug cartels and that is ensured to pass safety standards (whilst some street dealers might mix it with other drugs). It'd create tons of new jobs, raise huge amounts of tax revenues, and reduce our high incarceration rate as well as reducing spending on law enforcement. Nonviolent offenders who are in prison for certain marijuana-related offenses should be released. More people die from tobacco than marijuana yet one is legal and the other is not. The same goes for alcohol.

We should also decriminalize the possession of hard drugs, while leaving the sale of them illegal. The penalty for possession of "hard drugs" (i.e. meth, heroine) should be mandatory rehabilitation with no resulting criminal record.

Regulate and tax the hell of it, to keep it underground!

Mandates work so well.

Government is god. I must go to church now.

Then, there is no use for it. One of the main reasons people are in favor of legalizing pot, is to tax the living crap out of it. And if we don't regulate it? How long is it before we have some airline pilot doing pot before he does his job? I'd be fully in favor of legalizing it, but it needs to be extremely regulated.

Only among extortionists like yourself.

Other people want it legal, because it is none of your god damn business what people do to their own bodies. I do not favor taxing it.

Airlines would obviously condone pilots controlling $200 million planes with hundreds of people on board, while high. It's good for their bottom line.

Then, why the hell are we taxing tobacco and alcohol? Why does the FAA not allow people to fly with over 0.04% BAC within 8 hours?

I really don't see the problem with taxing Pot, and then using it to fund education, healthcare, infrastructure, and other parts of the US that are in need of drastic repair and overhauling.

[Scomagia]

Although marijuana usually doesn't cause direct harm, it should remain illegal because it is a gateway drug to truly harmful substances.

Oh that's original.

Did you know that 100% of criminals first started by drinking breast milk or formula? Breast milk and formula are clearly gateway beverages.

We must ban breasts.

Your argument is pathetic, and patently false. And even if it was true, it is still none of your business what people do to their own bodies.

http://healthland.time.com/2010/10/29/m ... l-not-die/

How about no.

How about an actual, coherent, logical argument?

Oh, you don't have one.

Soft drugs like weed should be legal, but hard drugs should be decriminalized.

Because prohibition has worked well, for "hard" drugs, obviously.

We don't need stoners running around. Most people that want Marijuana to be legalised aren't responsible with using it. It should be legalised, but with a license or official documents stating that the Marijuana user will be responsible around the drug. And for the people who want hard drugs legalised - Many people have died from overdoses of Cocaine and Heroin. The ban on those drugs save lives.

Because we have such a huge problem with drunks running around.



Holy fuck. Yes, obviously injecting something into your vanes bought from a pharmacy is going to be much more dangerous than what you bought from some shady dude on a street corner in the ghetto.

Yes. Regulate and tax the hell out of it. Why should anyone be punished for using a substance that is safer than alcohol? Taking crime out of marijuana will make it even safer - if people go to a shop that operates within the law, they'll buy regulated cannabis that doesn't come from drug cartels and that is ensured to pass safety standards (whilst some street dealers might mix it with other drugs). It'd create tons of new jobs, raise huge amounts of tax revenues, and reduce our high incarceration rate as well as reducing spending on law enforcement. Nonviolent offenders who are in prison for certain marijuana-related offenses should be released. More people die from tobacco than marijuana yet one is legal and the other is not. The same goes for alcohol.

We should also decriminalize the possession of hard drugs, while leaving the sale of them illegal. The penalty for possession of "hard drugs" (i.e. meth, heroine) should be mandatory rehabilitation with no resulting criminal record.

Regulate and tax the hell of it, to keep it underground!

Mandates work so well.

Government is god. I must go to church now.

Then, there is no use for it. One of the main reasons people are in favor of legalizing pot, is to tax the living crap out of it. And if we don't regulate it? How long is it before we have some airline pilot doing pot before he does his job? I'd be fully in favor of legalizing it, but it needs to be extremely regulated.

Only among extortionists like yourself.

Other people want it legal, because it is none of your god damn business what people do to their own bodies. I do not favor taxing it.

Airlines would obviously condone pilots controlling $200 million planes with hundreds of people on board, while high. It's good for their bottom line.

Marijuana/weed turned my older brother into a schizophrenic, mentally insane monster who can't support his basic needs by himself. Of course it should be banned.

Medical too. People will "lie" and grab medical marijuana just to get high.

No, it didn't. Your brother was mentally ill before using it.

Not only is your argument based on anecdotal bullshit, is completely irrelevant, it is also sadistic.

http://reason.com/blog/2013/08/07/medic ... ed-this-li

I did not mean in a literal sense, obviously. But what I mean is that people who are addicted to drugs like heroin are addicted because it is a disease, not a personal choice. It affects not just them, but other people in society. Court-ordered rehab is really not a big deal. The courts could use discretion on whether or not to send someone to rehab, too. There needs to be something there for people who have hit rock bottom. People who are addicted to something like heroin aren't able to make decisions for themselves at that point.
It is fair to say that someone should not be punished for what is essentially a medical condition, nor should they be punished for using a drug. But they should be helped. Rather than saying "coercion!!!!", we should look at the nature of how certain things affect society. There is an important balance that needs to be met between respecting the negative liberties of individuals and respecting the collective rights of our society, with something like hard drug abuse. Rehabilitation is not authoritarian or penal - it is quite the opposite.

Addiction is a medical issue, sure.

Forced rehab is authoritarian and a punishment. It also does not work without a genuine desire of the user to quit. The best way to kill any motivation, it to force them to do it.

Through five pages, not a single coherent argument for prohibition.

All hail Sibirsky!

Seriously, though I generally disagree with your opinions, I think that you're completely right about psychoactive substances, aside from the taxation and regulation bit.

[Sibirsky]

Then, why the hell are we taxing tobacco and alcohol? Why does the FAA not allow people to fly with over 0.04% BAC within 8 hours?

I really don't see the problem with taxing Pot, and then using it to fund education, healthcare, infrastructure, and other parts of the US that are in need of drastic repair and overhauling.

To control people's lives? To generate revenue? To limit use?

Your argument is irrelevant. That's like saying gay marriage should be banned because it is already illegal in most places.

[Organized States]

Then, why the hell are we taxing tobacco and alcohol? Why does the FAA not allow people to fly with over 0.04% BAC within 8 hours?

I really don't see the problem with taxing Pot, and then using it to fund education, healthcare, infrastructure, and other parts of the US that are in need of drastic repair and overhauling.

To control people's lives? To generate revenue? To limit use?

Your argument is irrelevant. That's like saying gay marriage should be banned because it is already illegal in most places.

Why not attempt to regulate it? It's already regulated in CO, and it works rather well there. I see absolutely no problems with regulation along the lines of Alcohol and Tobacco. Why is pot regulation a problem when everyone has no problem with Alcohol and Tobacco regulations?

[Sibirsky]

To control people's lives? To generate revenue? To limit use?

Your argument is irrelevant. That's like saying gay marriage should be banned because it is already illegal in most places.

Why not attempt to regulate it? It's already regulated in CO, and it works rather well there. I see absolutely no problems with regulation along the lines of Alcohol and Tobacco. Why is pot regulation a problem when everyone has no problem with Alcohol and Tobacco regulations?

Right. Binge drinking in colleges is not a thing. Underage kids don't drink at all.

It is none of your, or the government's business what people do to their own bodies. It is not their right to control people's lives. It is not their right to extort them. It is not their right to extort them for "sins."

I see many problems. It only works well in Colorado, because it is surrounded by places, where regulation is so much worse. Taxes on marijuana in Colorado are higher than on alcohol. That's idiotic.

Never mind the fact that a corrupt group of elitists generating revenue from a peaceful act is... well... immoral.

[Organized States]

Why not attempt to regulate it? It's already regulated in CO, and it works rather well there. I see absolutely no problems with regulation along the lines of Alcohol and Tobacco. Why is pot regulation a problem when everyone has no problem with Alcohol and Tobacco regulations?

Right. Binge drinking in colleges is not a thing. Underage kids don't drink at all.

It is none of your, or the government's business what people do to their own bodies. It is not their right to control people's lives. It is not their right to extort them. It is not their right to extort them for "sins."

I see many problems. It only works well in Colorado, because it is surrounded by places, where regulation is so much worse. Taxes on marijuana in Colorado are higher than on alcohol. That's idiotic.

Never mind the fact that a corrupt group of elitists generating revenue from a peaceful act is... well... immoral.

Did I say it didn't occur? No. So don't put words into my mouth.

How is it extortion when it benefits society as a whole? How is it extortion when every civilized society in the history of mankind has done it?

What elitists? Oh, you mean the myth that people have used for years to justify extremely severe or ridiculous measures?

[The Flood]

Why not attempt to regulate it? It's already regulated in CO, and it works rather well there. I see absolutely no problems with regulation along the lines of Alcohol and Tobacco. Why is pot regulation a problem when everyone has no problem with Alcohol and Tobacco regulations?

Right. Binge drinking in colleges is not a thing. Underage kids don't drink at all.
It is none of your, or the government's business what people do to their own bodies. It is not their right to control people's lives. It is not their right to extort them. It is not their right to extort them for "sins."
I see many problems. It only works well in Colorado, because it is surrounded by places, where regulation is so much worse. Taxes on marijuana in Colorado are higher than on alcohol. That's idiotic.
Never mind the fact that a corrupt group of elitists generating revenue from a peaceful act is... well... immoral.

Complete and utter freaking nonsense; just like almost every stance held by libertarianism.

[Sibirsky]

Right. Binge drinking in colleges is not a thing. Underage kids don't drink at all.

It is none of your, or the government's business what people do to their own bodies. It is not their right to control people's lives. It is not their right to extort them. It is not their right to extort them for "sins."

I see many problems. It only works well in Colorado, because it is surrounded by places, where regulation is so much worse. Taxes on marijuana in Colorado are higher than on alcohol. That's idiotic.

Never mind the fact that a corrupt group of elitists generating revenue from a peaceful act is... well... immoral.

Did I say it didn't occur? No. So don't put words into my mouth.

You said you see no problems with regulating it like alcohol. Yes, that's like saying problems with it, do not exist. It's exactly the same thing.

How is it extortion when it benefits society as a whole? How is it extortion when every civilized society in the history of mankind has done it?

All taxes are extortion.

Right. And all "civilized" societies had slavery and no democracy at one point. Just because everyone does something stupid, does not mean it is not stupid.

What elitists? Oh, you mean the myth that people have used for years to justify extremely severe or ridiculous measures?

Politicians, obviously.

What myth to justify severe measures? You are the one that is trying to justify severe and extreme measures.

I am trying to increase freedom and prosperity.

[Sibirsky]

Right. Binge drinking in colleges is not a thing. Underage kids don't drink at all.
It is none of your, or the government's business what people do to their own bodies. It is not their right to control people's lives. It is not their right to extort them. It is not their right to extort them for "sins."
I see many problems. It only works well in Colorado, because it is surrounded by places, where regulation is so much worse. Taxes on marijuana in Colorado are higher than on alcohol. That's idiotic.
Never mind the fact that a corrupt group of elitists generating revenue from a peaceful act is... well... immoral.

Complete and utter freaking nonsense; just like almost every stance held by libertarianism.

Do you have an actual argument, or just flamebait?

[The Flood]

Complete and utter freaking nonsense; just like almost every stance held by libertarianism.

Do you have an actual argument, or just flamebait?

You seem to be implying you think there should be no taxes at all. That's kind of hard to argue with, due to the unfathomable level of absurdity.