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Should the possession of marijuana be legal?

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No
30
14%
Yes, but only for medical use
25
12%
Yes, for medical & recreational use
140
66%
It's already legal for recreational use in my state/country
16
8%
 
Total votes : 211

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Postby Nickel Empire » Wed Jul 30, 2014 10:54 pm

Kelinfort wrote:
Nickel Empire wrote:So your saying marijuana is addictive?

No...cigarettes and morphine are, however.

You just said it is addictive.
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Postby Punkvania » Wed Jul 30, 2014 10:55 pm

Scomagia wrote:
Nickel Empire wrote:They both do the exact same things as marijuana so how is it any different?

Opiates are highly addictive and the body rapidly builds a tolerance towards them, which limits their effective use to those patients that are in large amounts of pain. Marijuana, on the other hand, is much less addictive and, while a tolerance is still built over time, is less likely to result in lethal side effects and drug interactions. Cigarettes cause cancer, Marijuana doesn't inherently do so.


Opiates and alcohol are the only drugs you can die from detoxing from. Marijuana- you aren't shaking and devoid of important vitamins the day after, your body is not dependent on THC. You may be tired, you may be hungry... but you're never putting yourself in physical danger after having quit smoking marijuana.

And yet alcohol is legal almost everywhere in the world, and opiates are available and profitable everywhere you go.
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Postby Freethinking Anarchists » Wed Jul 30, 2014 10:55 pm

Scomagia wrote:
Nickel Empire wrote:They both do the exact same things as marijuana so how is it any different?

Opiates are highly addictive and the body rapidly builds a tolerance towards them, which limits their effective use to those patients that are in large amounts of pain. Marijuana, on the other hand, is much less addictive and, while a tolerance is still built over time, is less likely to result in lethal side effects and drug interactions. Cigarettes cause cancer, Marijuana doesn't inherently do so.


Regardless of health concerns, they should all be legal. To appeal to the public health against drug legalization is a BS argument, because if those who are for it are consistent, then not only should opiates be banned, but so should cigarettes, coffee, alcohol, marijuana, pharmaceutical drugs, etc.
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Postby Kelinfort » Wed Jul 30, 2014 10:56 pm

Nickel Empire wrote:
Kelinfort wrote:No...cigarettes and morphine are, however.

You just said it is addictive.

Implying those two, not marijuana.

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Postby Nickel Empire » Wed Jul 30, 2014 10:56 pm

How is being tired and hungry not dangerous.
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Postby Freethinking Anarchists » Wed Jul 30, 2014 10:57 pm

Nickel Empire wrote:
Kelinfort wrote:No...cigarettes and morphine are, however.

You just said it is addictive.


"Much less addictive" does not mean it is addictive it means it is less addictive than his examples. Even if it is not addictive at all, it is still less addictive. Please stop with semantics.
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Postby Scomagia » Wed Jul 30, 2014 10:57 pm

Punkvania wrote:
Scomagia wrote:Opiates are highly addictive and the body rapidly builds a tolerance towards them, which limits their effective use to those patients that are in large amounts of pain. Marijuana, on the other hand, is much less addictive and, while a tolerance is still built over time, is less likely to result in lethal side effects and drug interactions. Cigarettes cause cancer, Marijuana doesn't inherently do so.


Opiates and alcohol are the only drugs you can die from detoxing from. Marijuana- you aren't shaking and devoid of important vitamins the day after, your body is not dependent on TCH. You may be tired, you may be hungry... but you're never putting yourself in physical danger after having quit smoking marijuana.

And yet alcohol is legal almost everywhere in the world, and opiates are available and profitable everywhere you go.

As far as I know, Opiate withdrawal isn't lethal. Alcohol withdrawal most certainly can be.
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Postby Freethinking Anarchists » Wed Jul 30, 2014 10:58 pm

Nickel Empire wrote:How is being tired and hungry not dangerous.


Nobody gives a fuck whether it's dangerous or not. There is a difference between danger, which is caused by so many things in modern society such as driving, breathing and drug use, and harmful, which means it inherently causes harm.

Drugs are dangerous, but do not inherently cause harm.
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Postby Cannot think of a name » Wed Jul 30, 2014 10:58 pm

Nickel Empire wrote:How is being tired and hungry not dangerous.

Are you a couch and a twinkie?
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Postby Nickel Empire » Wed Jul 30, 2014 10:59 pm

Scomagia wrote:
Punkvania wrote:
Opiates and alcohol are the only drugs you can die from detoxing from. Marijuana- you aren't shaking and devoid of important vitamins the day after, your body is not dependent on TCH. You may be tired, you may be hungry... but you're never putting yourself in physical danger after having quit smoking marijuana.

And yet alcohol is legal almost everywhere in the world, and opiates are available and profitable everywhere you go.

As far as I know, Opiate withdrawal isn't lethal. Alcohol withdrawal most certainly can be.

Good thing I'm under 18.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Wed Jul 30, 2014 10:59 pm

Nickel Empire wrote:How is being tired and hungry not dangerous.


I'm hungry right now, it's not dangerous.
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Postby Infected Mushroom » Wed Jul 30, 2014 10:59 pm

Scomagia wrote:
Infected Mushroom wrote:
why should anyone be licensed at all?

drug dealing is unethical. Its by definition exploitation.

How do you feel about medical marijuana?


we can carve out special exceptions to be prescribed by doctors, but on the whole, it should stay banned.

we should not encourage young people to try more dangerous and addictive substances.
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Postby Nickel Empire » Wed Jul 30, 2014 10:59 pm

Cannot think of a name wrote:
Nickel Empire wrote:How is being tired and hungry not dangerous.

Are you a couch and a twinkie?


what do you mean by that?
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Postby Kelinfort » Wed Jul 30, 2014 11:00 pm

Nickel Empire wrote:
Scomagia wrote:As far as I know, Opiate withdrawal isn't lethal. Alcohol withdrawal most certainly can be.

Good thing I'm under 18.

Good thing I'm indestructible.
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Postby Freethinking Anarchists » Wed Jul 30, 2014 11:00 pm

Infected Mushroom wrote:
Scomagia wrote:How do you feel about medical marijuana?


we can carve out special exceptions to be prescribed by doctors, but on the whole, it should stay banned.

we should not encourage young people to try more dangerous and addictive substances.


Nobody is encouraging them. Just because we legalize homosexual marriage doesn't mean we are encouraging homosexuality, it means we are allowing individual choice and this thing called freedom.
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Postby Scomagia » Wed Jul 30, 2014 11:00 pm

Infected Mushroom wrote:
Scomagia wrote:How do you feel about medical marijuana?


we can carve out special exceptions to be prescribed by doctors, but on the whole, it should stay banned.

we should not encourage young people to try more dangerous and addictive substances.

Mhmm, and CBD? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cannabidiol
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Postby Kelinfort » Wed Jul 30, 2014 11:01 pm

Infected Mushroom wrote:
Scomagia wrote:How do you feel about medical marijuana?


we can carve out special exceptions to be prescribed by doctors, but on the whole, it should stay banned.

we should not encourage young people to try more dangerous and addictive substances.

Like oxygen and caffeine and people who refuse to read sources.

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Postby Cannot think of a name » Wed Jul 30, 2014 11:01 pm

Nickel Empire wrote:
Cannot think of a name wrote:Are you a couch and a twinkie?


what do you mean by that?

Those are the only two objects I could think of that were in danger during couchlock and the munchies respectively.
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Postby Punkvania » Wed Jul 30, 2014 11:01 pm

Scomagia wrote:
Punkvania wrote:
Opiates and alcohol are the only drugs you can die from detoxing from. Marijuana- you aren't shaking and devoid of important vitamins the day after, your body is not dependent on TCH. You may be tired, you may be hungry... but you're never putting yourself in physical danger after having quit smoking marijuana.

And yet alcohol is legal almost everywhere in the world, and opiates are available and profitable everywhere you go.

As far as I know, Opiate withdrawal isn't lethal. Alcohol withdrawal most certainly can be.


Sorry- Benzos. I lump them in together, which is not fair... but the same idea apllies that there are only two known substances that you can die from quitting.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benzodiaze ... l_syndrome
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Postby Scomagia » Wed Jul 30, 2014 11:01 pm

Kelinfort wrote:
Infected Mushroom wrote:
we can carve out special exceptions to be prescribed by doctors, but on the whole, it should stay banned.

we should not encourage young people to try more dangerous and addictive substances.

Like oxygen and caffeine and people who refuse to read sources.

Everyone knows sources are liberal, drug addict propaganda. *nods*
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Postby Infected Mushroom » Wed Jul 30, 2014 11:02 pm

Scomagia wrote:
Infected Mushroom wrote:
we can carve out special exceptions to be prescribed by doctors, but on the whole, it should stay banned.

we should not encourage young people to try more dangerous and addictive substances.

Mhmm, and CBD? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cannabidiol


is it a dangerous and addictive recreational drug like marijuana or heroin?

if so, it should be banned unless a doctor prescribes it on a case by case basis to help with certain medical conditions.

in most cases, banned i think.

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Postby Scomagia » Wed Jul 30, 2014 11:02 pm

Punkvania wrote:
Scomagia wrote:As far as I know, Opiate withdrawal isn't lethal. Alcohol withdrawal most certainly can be.


Sorry- Benzos. I lump them in together, which is not fair... but the same idea apllies that their are two substances that you can die from quitting.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benzodiaze ... l_syndrome

That makes me glad I stopped taking Xanax.
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Postby Scomagia » Wed Jul 30, 2014 11:03 pm

Infected Mushroom wrote:


is it a dangerous and addictive recreational drug like marijuana or heroin?

if so, it should be banned unless a doctor prescribes it on a case by case basis to help with certain medical conditions.

in most cases, banned i think.

You can't even be bothered to click on a link. If you had any credibility, it's long gone now. Thanks for playing Kefka.
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Postby Infected Mushroom » Wed Jul 30, 2014 11:03 pm

Kelinfort wrote:
Infected Mushroom wrote:
we can carve out special exceptions to be prescribed by doctors, but on the whole, it should stay banned.

we should not encourage young people to try more dangerous and addictive substances.

Like oxygen and caffeine and people who refuse to read sources.


i'm not going to address the oxygen claim.

Caffeine isn't comparable in terms of its danger to marijuana. Marijuana is way more dangerous.

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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Wed Jul 30, 2014 11:03 pm

Infected Mushroom wrote:


is it a dangerous and addictive recreational drug like marijuana or heroin?

if so, it should be banned unless a doctor prescribes it on a case by case basis to help with certain medical conditions.

in most cases, banned i think.


Ffs Kefka do you even read these sources?
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