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Postby Britannic Realms » Wed Jul 30, 2014 9:15 am

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Britannic Realms wrote:As I've said before, I don't particularly care if parents on't give their children vaccinations and other such things, it's their choice. If the child dies, or grows up to hate them, then that's what they get for being stupid.

Why the fuck do you think it's okay for children to die because of their parents' stupidity? Seriously, what the fucking hell?


The bottom line is that I just don't care. If I personally knew the child who was dieing, then I might be emotionally invested so I would care. However, I don't know any of these children, so I don't care; it's just a statistic to me. I also take issue with the idea that refusing a vaccination is child abuse. That's absolutely absurd. It's like saying I was abused because I could have contracted an illness from my dog.
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Postby Saiwania » Wed Jul 30, 2014 9:16 am

Broccoli has plenty of vitamin K, so I'm sure if you puree some in a bender, it could be ingested just fine.
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Postby Tuthina » Wed Jul 30, 2014 9:17 am

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Tarsonis Survivors wrote:As cold blooded as it sounds, this type of thought process is one that actively removes itself from the gene pool. So ::Shrug::


Because you know, easily immunized diseases only stick to kids who don't vaccinate and refuse to spread.

Which only other kids and adults who do not get vaccinated would be affected, since those who are vaccinated will be... vaccinated against them already?
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Postby Sdaeriji » Wed Jul 30, 2014 9:19 am

Saiwania wrote:Bananas have plenty of vitamin K, so I'm sure if you puree some in a bender, it could be ingested just fine.


Infants' diets consist solely of formula or breastmilk for the first three to four months.
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Postby The Emerald Dragon » Wed Jul 30, 2014 9:19 am

I don't like injections, but not for those reasons.

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Postby Oceasia » Wed Jul 30, 2014 9:19 am

How stupid can these parents be?
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Postby Tarsonis Survivors » Wed Jul 30, 2014 9:20 am

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Tarsonis Survivors wrote:As cold blooded as it sounds, this type of thought process is one that actively removes itself from the gene pool. So ::Shrug::


Because you know, easily immunized diseases only stick to kids who don't vaccinate and refuse to spread.

.... Isn't that the idea of vaxination?

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Postby Tuthina » Wed Jul 30, 2014 9:20 am

Oceasia wrote:How stupid can these parents be?

Enough to potentially end their bloodline. I guess natural selection does have its merits.
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Postby Ifreann » Wed Jul 30, 2014 9:22 am

Britannic Realms wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Why the fuck do you think it's okay for children to die because of their parents' stupidity? Seriously, what the fucking hell?


The bottom line is that I just don't care. If I personally knew the child who was dieing, then I might be emotionally invested so I would care. However, I don't know any of these children, so I don't care; it's just a statistic to me.

Well that's just fucked right the hell up.
I also take issue with the idea that refusing a vaccination is child abuse. That's absolutely absurd.

It's not absurd at all, it's perfectly reasonable. Refusing to have your child vaccinations is refusing to give them proper medical care.
It's like saying I was abused because I could have contracted an illness from my dog.

No, it's not.


Saiwania wrote:Broccoli has plenty of vitamin K, so I'm sure if you puree some in a bender, it could be ingested just fine.

Or you could let the doctor give your baby a shot.


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Gauthier wrote:
Because you know, easily immunized diseases only stick to kids who don't vaccinate and refuse to spread.

Which only other kids and adults who do not get vaccinated would be affected, since those who are vaccinated will be... vaccinated against them already?

There are people who, for very real and legitimate medical reasons, cannot be given vaccinations. If the rest of us are vaccinated, the disease will die out, and those who can't be vaccinated will be safe. If we're not, then the disease will survive, and spread. Herd immunity, yo.
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Postby Hurdegaryp » Wed Jul 30, 2014 9:23 am

Springedge wrote:They're endangering the lives of their children because of their stupid beliefs. There's really nothing else to be said.

They're endangering the public health as well. Doesn't that technically make them criminals, if endangering their children didn't already classify them as such?
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Postby Tuthina » Wed Jul 30, 2014 9:28 am

Britannic Realms wrote:It's like saying I was abused because I could have contracted an illness from my dog.

On the other hand, vaccinating your dog against rabies is a good idea for everyone around you.
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Postby Britannic Realms » Wed Jul 30, 2014 9:33 am

Tuthina wrote:
Britannic Realms wrote:It's like saying I was abused because I could have contracted an illness from my dog.

On the other hand, vaccinating your dog against rabies is a good idea for everyone around you.


I didn't mean rabies, I meant a different kind of virus, like a sickness bug.
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Postby Tarsonis Survivors » Wed Jul 30, 2014 9:34 am

Saiwania wrote:Broccoli has plenty of vitamin K, so I'm sure if you puree some in a bender, it could be ingested just fine.



Change it all you want, fact remains infants can't digest food for like the first couple months of their lives.

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Postby Scomagia » Wed Jul 30, 2014 9:34 am

Saiwania wrote:Broccoli has plenty of vitamin K, so I'm sure if you puree some in a bender, it could be ingested just fine.

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Postby Mavorpen » Wed Jul 30, 2014 9:36 am

Saiwania wrote:Broccoli has plenty of vitamin K, so I'm sure if you puree some in a bender, it could be ingested just fine.

And this is yet another reason I do not feel comfortable knowing that you plan on having children.
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Postby Tarsonis Survivors » Wed Jul 30, 2014 9:37 am

Ifreann wrote:
Britannic Realms wrote:
The bottom line is that I just don't care. If I personally knew the child who was dieing, then I might be emotionally invested so I would care. However, I don't know any of these children, so I don't care; it's just a statistic to me.

Well that's just fucked right the hell up.
I also take issue with the idea that refusing a vaccination is child abuse. That's absolutely absurd.

It's not absurd at all, it's perfectly reasonable. Refusing to have your child vaccinations is refusing to give them proper medical care.
It's like saying I was abused because I could have contracted an illness from my dog.

No, it's not.


Saiwania wrote:Broccoli has plenty of vitamin K, so I'm sure if you puree some in a bender, it could be ingested just fine.

Or you could let the doctor give your baby a shot.


Tuthina wrote:Which only other kids and adults who do not get vaccinated would be affected, since those who are vaccinated will be... vaccinated against them already?

There are people who, for very real and legitimate medical reasons, cannot be given vaccinations. If the rest of us are vaccinated, the disease will die out, and those who can't be vaccinated will be safe. If we're not, then the disease will survive, and spread. Herd immunity, yo.



Hey now you done fucked up. Never bring facts and logic to an irrationality fight.

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Postby Ifreann » Wed Jul 30, 2014 9:37 am

Britannic Realms wrote:
Tuthina wrote:On the other hand, vaccinating your dog against rabies is a good idea for everyone around you.


I didn't mean rabies, I meant a different kind of virus, like a sickness bug.

Ah yes, the sickness bug virus.

I know what I'm calling my next disease in Plague Inc.


Tarsonis Survivors wrote:
Saiwania wrote:Broccoli has plenty of vitamin K, so I'm sure if you puree some in a bender, it could be ingested just fine.



Change it all you want, fact remains infants can't digest food for like the first couple months of their lives.

I shudder to imagine what would result from feeding pureed broccoli to a baby who can't digest it.
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Postby Tarsonis Survivors » Wed Jul 30, 2014 9:38 am

Mavorpen wrote:
Saiwania wrote:Broccoli has plenty of vitamin K, so I'm sure if you puree some in a bender, it could be ingested just fine.

And this is yet another reason I do not feel comfortable knowing that you plan on having children.


It's like the vegans who fed their cat potatoes.

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Postby Tuthina » Wed Jul 30, 2014 9:38 am

Britannic Realms wrote:
Tuthina wrote:On the other hand, vaccinating your dog against rabies is a good idea for everyone around you.


I didn't mean rabies, I meant a different kind of virus, like a sickness bug.

Well, it is still a good idea since more often than not only dogs are vaccinated against canine diseases, and people who do not intent to interact with dogs might not have such vaccinations. Just because those diseases have a case fatality rate below 100% does not mean it would be pleasant.
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Postby Magna Libero » Wed Jul 30, 2014 9:38 am

From where do you get the idea that vaccines are necessarily good? I'm not an expert, but I've heard that they might cause some mass epidemics and they might reduce our resistance for epidemies + other side effects. To a some extent, I think the concept of vaccines is brought by the cronyist greedy corporations. Therefore the choice of not giving vaccines has to be allowed.

Ifreann wrote:People who refuse to give their children proper medical care, be it vaccinations or these vitamin shots, are obviously unsuitable parents and their children need to be taken away from them ASAP.

Does this include indigenous tribes, primitivists, rastafarians, the Amish and other people who want to stay out of the rest of the world or are against chemicals?
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Postby Scomagia » Wed Jul 30, 2014 9:40 am

Magna Libero wrote:From where do you get the idea that vaccines are necessarily good? I'm not an expert, but I've heard that they might cause some mass epidemics and they might reduce our resistance for epidemies + other side effects*. To a some extent, I think the concept of vaccines is brought by the cronyist greedy corporations. Therefore the choice of not giving vaccines has to be allowed.

Ifreann wrote:People who refuse to give their children proper medical care, be it vaccinations or these vitamin shots, are obviously unsuitable parents and their children need to be taken away from them ASAP.

Does this include indigenous tribes, primitivists, rastafarians, the Amish and other people who want to stay out of the rest of the world or are against chemicals?

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Postby Mavorpen » Wed Jul 30, 2014 9:40 am

Magna Libero wrote:From where do you get the idea that vaccines are necessarily good? I'm not an expert, but I've heard that they might cause some mass epidemics and they might reduce our resistance for epidemies + other side effects. To a some extent, I think the concept of vaccines is brought by the cronyist greedy corporations. Therefore the choice of not giving vaccines has to be allowed.

Please stop spreading pseudoscience.
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Postby Tuthina » Wed Jul 30, 2014 9:40 am

Magna Libero wrote:From where do you get the idea that vaccines are necessarily good? I'm not an expert, but I've heard that they might cause some mass epidemics and they might reduce our resistance for epidemies + other side effects. To a some extent, I think the concept of vaccines is brought by the cronyist greedy corporations. Therefore the choice of not giving vaccines has to be allowed.

Ifreann wrote:People who refuse to give their children proper medical care, be it vaccinations or these vitamin shots, are obviously unsuitable parents and their children need to be taken away from them ASAP.

Does this include indigenous tribes, primitivists, rastafarians, the Amish and other people who want to stay out of the rest of the world or are against chemicals?

Basic knowledge of biology should suffice, and the whole point of vaccination is to build up your immunity against certain types of pathogen.

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Postby Ifreann » Wed Jul 30, 2014 9:42 am

Magna Libero wrote:From where do you get the idea that vaccines are necessarily good?

From the bit where they make us immune to diseases.
I'm not an expert, but I've heard that they might cause some mass epidemics and they might reduce our resistance for epidemies + other side effects.

Sounds like anti-vax bollocks to me.
To a some extent, I think the concept of vaccines is brought by the cronyist greedy corporations. Therefore the choice of not giving vaccines has to be allowed.

How does that follow?

Ifreann wrote:People who refuse to give their children proper medical care, be it vaccinations or these vitamin shots, are obviously unsuitable parents and their children need to be taken away from them ASAP.

Does this include indigenous tribes, primitivists, rastafarians, the Amish and other people who want to stay out of the rest of the world or are against chemicals?

Probably, to varying degrees.
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Postby Britannic Realms » Wed Jul 30, 2014 9:43 am

Ifreann wrote:
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The bottom line is that I just don't care. If I personally knew the child who was dieing, then I might be emotionally invested so I would care. However, I don't know any of these children, so I don't care; it's just a statistic to me.

Well that's just fucked right the hell up.
I also take issue with the idea that refusing a vaccination is child abuse. That's absolutely absurd.

It's not absurd at all, it's perfectly reasonable. Refusing to have your child vaccinations is refusing to give them proper medical care.
It's like saying I was abused because I could have contracted an illness from my dog.

No, it's not.


1. If you think so. I don't really think it's unreasonable.
2. It is not child abuse. It's stupid, but it's not the same as neglect or beating your child. Here's a scenario for you: there are two loving parents who care for their child and ensure that they have a great standard of living however, they do not give their child the MMR vaccine. Would you take the child away from its parents, in spite of the strong bonds between them?
3. It is. You're suggesting that the parents are being neglectful by exposing their children to disease because they are not vaccinated. My example is the same, only the exposure to disease comes from an animal.
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