Why "Under God" does not violate the Constitution

[The New Sea Territory]

And people try to say the US isnt statist/authoritarian. Come on mofos

Well. Of COURSE the US is statist. It is a state like all modern countries.

But most people don't think it's authoritarian, which it is.

[Ifreann]

http://historum.com/european-history/39644-state-imposed-atheism-soviet-union.html

The USSR was never officially dubbed atheist. They were just de facto radical atheists. Like America, during the Cold War, fought them godless pinko librul communazi homopedophiles by saying "We've got the American Jesus".

The USSR was a state atheistic state. This is COMMON KNOWLEDGE Churches were also stripped from their lands, Christians were oppressed and discriminated against.

Sounds like imposing your beliefs on others to me. That's the very definition of it.

Now you're using misdirection tactics. Please stay on topic.

[Flaxxony]

Honestly overbearing Christianity has done more to undermine the Constitution since our revolution then almost anything else.

There should be no pledge. At all.

[Boston and Surrounding Provinces]

Also not mandatory to say. So, if you don't like it, don't say it.

[Draica]

However then it goes against everyone who doesn't believe in an actual God, the US government wouldn't put "Under Overlord Obama" in the pledge, so why should they put "Under God" in the pledge?

"One Nation, Under No Gods". That's completely ok by Draica's logic.

Strawman, strawman, how I love my strawman.

They're created with weak bamboo.

Strawman, strawman, how I love my strawman..

[Altraxa]

Um, excuse me, I believe that it's one nation under Cthulu, thank you very much.

[Flaxxony]

"One Nation, Under No Gods". That's completely ok by Draica's logic.

Strawman, strawman, how I love my strawman.

They're created with weak bamboo.

Strawman, strawman, how I love my strawman..

Stop being 5. Please.

Ok anyways onward.

[The New Sea Territory]

http://historum.com/european-history/39644-state-imposed-atheism-soviet-union.html

The USSR was never officially dubbed atheist. They were just de facto radical atheists. Like America, during the Cold War, fought them godless pinko librul communazi homopedophiles by saying "We've got the American Jesus".

The USSR was a state atheistic state. This is COMMON KNOWLEDGE Churches were also stripped from their lands, Christians were oppressed and discriminated against.

Sounds like imposing your beliefs on others to me. That's the very definition of it.

No it wasn't. It was a secular Union of States officially with no religion. It practiced state atheism. Just like America was secular on paper but Christian in practice. And atheists were oppressed and discriminated against in America equally to the extent they were in the Godless Commie Realms, this whole "blame the commies they hate God" circlejerk insults the greatest Marxist himself: Comrade Jesus Christ.

[Vozt Yurkova]

The USSR was a state atheistic state. This is COMMON KNOWLEDGE Churches were also stripped from their lands, Christians were oppressed and discriminated against.

Sounds like imposing your beliefs on others to me. That's the very definition of it.

Now you're using misdirection tactics. Please stay on topic.

I don't know, the words he was using don't necessarily mean what they're supposed to mean. Some people could interpret them as being relevant.

[Draica]

Honestly overbearing Christianity has done more to undermine the Constitution since our revolution then almost anything else.

There should be no pledge. At all.

Yes, I'm sure Religion is the only bad thing that has ever been too overbearing on original Constitutional freedoms SINCE 1776. ..

*Facepalm*

But that's off topic.

[Springedge]

You seem to suggest the word "God" isn't related to religion at all. Fine. Let's go by that.

ASSUMING the word "God" has a very broad meaning and can have non-religious meanings, which one would be applicable in this situation?

One nation, under an overlord? So, the US is now a vassal/puppet state now?


And would you honestly call your leader, "God"? God Obama?
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[The New Sea Territory]

"One Nation, Under No Gods". That's completely ok by Draica's logic.

Strawman, strawman, how I love my strawman.

They're created with weak bamboo.

Strawman, strawman, how I love my strawman..

Ok, so tell me how it's not ok by your logic (or, rather, inherent lack of logic and appeals to sensationalism and vague, arbitrary meanings).

[Farnhamia]

Honestly overbearing Christianity has done more to undermine the Constitution since our revolution then almost anything else.

There should be no pledge. At all.

Yes, I'm sure Religion is the only bad thing that has ever been too overbearing on original Constitutional freedoms SINCE 1776. ..

*Facepalm*

But that's off topic.

The Constitution was written in 1787.

[Draica]

You seem to suggest the word "God" isn't related to religion at all. Fine. Let's go by that.

ASSUMING the word "God" has a very broad meaning and can have non-religious meanings, which one would be applicable in this situation?

One nation, under an overlord? So, the US is now a vassal/puppet state now?


And would you honestly call your leader, "God"? God Obama?
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These are your individual interpitations of the issue and you're actually committing a false dilemma fallacy..

[The 502nd SS]

I don't see what the big deal is, y'all its just two words and you're getting worked up about than you need to get your priorities straight.

[Greater-London]

Whilst I'm sure there are many people more well versed in American Constitutional law than myself I don't see how it contradicts the constitution. The use of "Under God" in the constitution does not mean you don't have a separation of church and state or you don't live in a secular society - secularism of course is not the same as state atheism. God also needn't refer to a Christian god or even a Deist god like entity; God could be understood as an entirely different concept such as the personification of Goodness and Wisdom. I'm not a believer but still talk about God in a humanist sense.

[The New Sea Territory]

Yes, I'm sure Religion is the only bad thing that has ever been too overbearing on original Constitutional freedoms SINCE 1776. ..

*Facepalm*

But that's off topic.

The Constitution was written in 1787.

And Conservatism has been debunked as historically ignorant! Thank you, comrade moderator! Now all the ebul librul godless communist secularists will turn all the kids gay and enact agenda 21!

[Flaxxony]

Yes, I'm sure Religion is the only bad thing that has ever been too overbearing on original Constitutional freedoms SINCE 1776. ..

*Facepalm*

But that's off topic.

The Constitution was written in 1787.

And i would like to know how the word "only" is equivalent to "greatest"?

[Imperializt Russia]

America is a christian nation.

It is not.

[Boston and Surrounding Provinces]

You seem to suggest the word "God" isn't related to religion at all. Fine. Let's go by that.

ASSUMING the word "God" has a very broad meaning and can have non-religious meanings, which one would be applicable in this situation?

One nation, under an overlord? So, the US is now a vassal/puppet state now?


And would you honestly call your leader, "God"? God Obama?
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"Thanks, Obama" would literally be our prayers.

[Draica]

Yes, I'm sure Religion is the only bad thing that has ever been too overbearing on original Constitutional freedoms SINCE 1776. ..

*Facepalm*

But that's off topic.

The Constitution was written in 1787.

Ah, but he said since the Revolution. America was officially founded in 1776.

[The New Sea Territory]

I don't see what the big deal is, y'all its just two words and you're getting worked up about than you need to get your priorities straight.

What if the two words were "Fuck God"?

[The New Sea Territory]

The Constitution was written in 1787.

Ah, but he said since the Revolution. America was officially founded in 1776.

Constitutional Freedoms didn't exist until the Articles of the Confederation were replaced.

[Draica]

The Constitution was written in 1787.

And Conservatism has been debunked as historically ignorant! Thank you, comrade moderator! Now all the ebul librul godless communist secularists will turn all the kids gay and enact agenda 21!

Can you try to stay on topic?

[Greater-London]

What if the two words were "Fuck God"?

Then fair enough. But there not.