Your Opinion of Political Correctness

[Juristonia]

Literally not the point.

Reading comprehension strike three.
You're on a roll.

Please enlighten me, kind sir.

Let's first start with you reading the thread and maybe grasping the basics behind political correctness.

Starting tip: It's not "You can say anything you want, just not anything we don't want."

[Farnhamia]

Really? What's hypocritical about telling someone you don't feel comfortable with how they're talking?

Then why listen to them.

Because most of us aren't able to tell when a person is about to say something offensive. Most of us have to wait until they actually say it. Once that happens, we should have the right to call that person on what they said.

[Sdaeriji]

That's what you're saying, right now. You want to be free to say offensive shit without affording me the right to call you an asshole when you do. Where's my freedom of speech?

You can call me an asshole all you want. But why should i get fired for using my freedom of speech? Words don't hurt, actions do.

Because your boss has decided he wants to end his free commercial association with you if you use speech he finds offensive, or people whose opinions he values find offensive. Why should he be forced to continue to employ someone whom he finds distasteful?

Also, please learn what freedom of speech is.

[Caninope]

That's what you're saying, right now. You want to be free to say offensive shit without affording me the right to call you an asshole when you do. Where's my freedom of speech?

You can call me an asshole all you want. But why should i get fired for using my freedom of speech? Words don't hurt, actions do.

Because your freedom of speech protects you from the government. It doesn't protect you from the actions of private properties. Sure, you have freedom of expression, but your employer has both freedom of expression and property rights in the context of a (at least in the US) at-will labor environment. Rights come with responsibilities.

[Juristonia]

That's what you're saying, right now. You want to be free to say offensive shit without affording me the right to call you an asshole when you do. Where's my freedom of speech?

You can call me an asshole all you want. But why should i get fired for using my freedom of speech? Words don't hurt, actions do.

You shouldn't.
Why should an employer keep employing someone who lacks basic decency?

You're free to talk.
He's free to fire.

Isn't freedom wonderful?

[Ucropi]

You can call me an asshole all you want. But why should i get fired for using my freedom of speech? Words don't hurt, actions do.

Your employer can fire you for...well, basically anything not illegal or discriminatory. Hell, if you're late with the donuts, they can fire you. Unless, you belong to a union or something.

isn't it illegal to violate someones right to freedom of speech?

[Greater-London]

That's what you're saying, right now. You want to be free to say offensive shit without affording me the right to call you an asshole when you do. Where's my freedom of speech?

No not at all. The idea of one person being able to say offensive stuff and the other calling them an arsehole is a perfect example of freedom of speech and expression. Political correctness essentially negates one persons ability to be offensive in the first place thus meaning you don't get the enjoyment of calling an arsehole and arsehole.

[Great Kleomentia]

Then why listen to them.

Because most of us aren't able to tell when a person is about to say something offensive. Most of us have to wait until they actually say it. Once that happens, we should have the right to call that person on what they said.

You should, that's not the issue. Someone losing their job because they weren't politically correct is a whole different story.

[Ifreann]

That's what you're saying, right now. You want to be free to say offensive shit without affording me the right to call you an asshole when you do. Where's my freedom of speech?

You can call me an asshole all you want. But why should i get fired for using my freedom of speech? Words don't hurt, actions do.

Because your boss doesn't want to have the kind of environment you are creating in their workplace? Because you're hurting their business by offending their customers? Why should you be allowed to keep a job when you are proving to be an unsuitable employee because of the things you are saying?

[Farnhamia]

Please enlighten me, kind sir.

Let's first start with you reading the thread and maybe grasping the basics behind political correctness.

Starting tip: It's not "You can say anything you want, just not anything we don't want."

Wiki's description of the origins of the term are more enlightening than the short description in the OP, perhaps we could take a look ...

Historically, the term was a colloquialism used in the early-to-mid 20th century by Communists and Socialists in political debates, referring pejoratively to the Communist "party line", which provided for "correct" positions on many matters of politics. The term was adopted in the later 20th century by the New Left, applied with a certain humour to condemn sexist or racist conduct as "not politically correct". By the early 1990s, the term was adopted by US conservatives as a pejorative term for all manner of attempts to promote multiculturalism and identity politics, particularly, attempts to introduce new terms that sought to leave behind discriminatory baggage ostensibly attached to older ones, and conversely, to try to make older ones taboo. This phenomenon was driven by a combination of the linguistic turn in academia and the rise of identity politics both inside and outside it. These led to attempts to change social reality by changing language, with attempts at making language more culturally inclusive and gender-neutral. These attempts (associated with the political left) led to a backlash from the right, partly against the attempts to change language, and partly against the underlying identity politics itself.

[Great Kleomentia]

Your employer can fire you for...well, basically anything not illegal or discriminatory. Hell, if you're late with the donuts, they can fire you. Unless, you belong to a union or something.

isn't it illegal to violate someones right to freedom of speech?

No, because they weren't politically correct.

[Caninope]

Your employer can fire you for...well, basically anything not illegal or discriminatory. Hell, if you're late with the donuts, they can fire you. Unless, you belong to a union or something.

isn't it illegal to violate someones right to freedom of speech?

No.

It's illegal for the government to violate someone's freedom of speech (with certain exceptions being made for things like inciting imminent lawless action and time/manner restrictions).

[Keyboard Warriors]

So where are the guidelines? Where's the how-to handbook on political correctness which we all got given in grade school?

Well obviously no such thing exists - neither did I suggest it did. However considering we all know which terms are PC and which terms aren't suggests that actually some sort of handbook exists in our collective contagiousness. This rule book also isn't as simple as "don't be rude" THAT would be common sense. It's mantra is a long the lines of "ensure that you couldn't possibly offend anyone" and those things are actually quite different.

No its not because it's exactly as I described it; common sense and also honesty. It's not continuing to offend people when they raise an issue and ask you to stop. Most importantly it's about taking responsibility for what you say and how you act, accepting that others might take issue with what you're saying and not complaining about being called a bigot for it. It's never been about ensuring you never offend anybody by never talking about certain topics, that's a load quite frankly.

[Kelinfort]

Your employer can fire you for...well, basically anything not illegal or discriminatory. Hell, if you're late with the donuts, they can fire you. Unless, you belong to a union or something.

isn't it illegal to violate someones right to freedom of speech?

The employer isn't the government, that right only applies to government, but not to private institutions. You're free from the government hurting, impeding, or censoring you, but not your employer.

[Ucropi]

isn't it illegal to violate someones right to freedom of speech?

No, because they weren't politically correct.

What if the government decided it wasn't politically correct to be critical of the government?

[Caninope]

Because most of us aren't able to tell when a person is about to say something offensive. Most of us have to wait until they actually say it. Once that happens, we should have the right to call that person on what they said.

You should, that's not the issue. Someone losing their job because they weren't politically correct is a whole different story.

You're right.

It's capitalism and an employer exercising his own freedoms.

[Sdaeriji]

Your employer can fire you for...well, basically anything not illegal or discriminatory. Hell, if you're late with the donuts, they can fire you. Unless, you belong to a union or something.

isn't it illegal to violate someones right to freedom of speech?

Only if you're the government.

Every election we hear about someone who got fired because they had a bumper sticker of the wrong candidate according to their boss. It usually ends up with "sucks, but that's his right".

[Soldati Senza Confini]

That's what you're saying, right now. You want to be free to say offensive shit without affording me the right to call you an asshole when you do. Where's my freedom of speech?

No not at all. The idea of one person being able to say offensive stuff and the other calling them an arsehole is a perfect example of freedom of speech and expression. Political correctness essentially negates one persons ability to be offensive in the first place thus meaning you don't get the enjoyment of calling an arsehole and arsehole.

I don't know in which universe would I find calling an asshole an asshole. I don't. 99% of the time I am already with my spleen about to explode.

[Sdaeriji]

That's what you're saying, right now. You want to be free to say offensive shit without affording me the right to call you an asshole when you do. Where's my freedom of speech?

No not at all. The idea of one person being able to say offensive stuff and the other calling them an arsehole is a perfect example of freedom of speech and expression. Political correctness essentially negates one persons ability to be offensive in the first place thus meaning you don't get the enjoyment of calling an arsehole and arsehole.

How does political correctness negate someone's ability to be offensive?

[Kelinfort]

No, because they weren't politically correct.

What if the government decided it wasn't politically correct to be critical of the government?

That's illegal and violates the Constitution.

[Keyboard Warriors]

That's what you're saying, right now. You want to be free to say offensive shit without affording me the right to call you an asshole when you do. Where's my freedom of speech?

You can call me an asshole all you want. But why should i get fired for using my freedom of speech? Words don't hurt, actions do.

Because you're driving away customers and your employer doesn't like that.

[Caninope]

No, because they weren't politically correct.

What if the government decided it wasn't politically correct to be critical of the government?

I don't think you know how current constitutional law works, at least in the US.

[Great Kleomentia]

You should, that's not the issue. Someone losing their job because they weren't politically correct is a whole different story.

You're right.

It's capitalism and an employer exercising his own freedoms.

Firing someone who said something you didn't particularly enjoy is in no way a right.

[Ucropi]

What if the government decided it wasn't politically correct to be critical of the government?

That's illegal and violates the Constitution.

My country doesn't have a constitution....

[Sdaeriji]

No, because they weren't politically correct.

What if the government decided it wasn't politically correct to be critical of the government?

Well, that would be a violation of freedom of speech, now wouldn't it?