Korouse wrote:Why can't we just operate within common sense and not get fucking offended at EVERYTHING?
Cuz liberals.
Advertisement
by Viritica » Tue Jul 29, 2014 9:41 pm
Korouse wrote:Why can't we just operate within common sense and not get fucking offended at EVERYTHING?
by Velandia » Tue Jul 29, 2014 9:45 pm
by Geilinor » Tue Jul 29, 2014 9:45 pm
by Keyboard Warriors » Tue Jul 29, 2014 9:46 pm
Viritica wrote:Keyboard Warriors wrote:1. No, it is fucking not. It is not an example of political correctness because the people, if any, who complain about the use of the word "citizen" do not form an otherwise disadvantaged demographic. This "example" is only an example of how you have no idea what the term really means.
2. It's been acknowledged by many to be a dehumanizing term. Not to mention the tensions it incites. I really don't care if you think it has no derogatory meaning because you're wrong.
3. You say this, yet you refuse to use another less-inflammatory term meaning the same thing because you don't want to.
4. We really didn't need you wanking this white pride stuff all over the thread.
5. If you don't like being called a racist, then don't say racist things. I'd imagine it's a typical response from anybody when dealing with people who are obviously racists. Yet you continually make out the problem is everybody else because you couldn't possibly be racist
1. Jews aren't a disadvantaged demographic? Huh, I was unaware antisemitism as all gone.
2. And it's been acknowledged by others to not be dehumanizing. A few people claiming something is dehumanizing doesn't make it dehumanizing. If you immigrate here legally then you're an immigrant. If you immigrate here illegally then you're an illegal immigrant. It's that simple. Now stop bitching.
3. Yes, because a few people finding it offensive for no good reason isn't really gonna make me use another term.
4.
That actually made me chuckle. That was a strawman so massive it would make Scarecrow envious.
5. Except referring to an illegal immigrant as an illegal immigrant isn't a racist or derogatory term. It's calling them what they are. Illegal immigrants. Do I see them as subhuman? Nah. Not really. And you bashing your head against a wall trying to convince yourself that I'm a racist really isn't gonna change that.
by The Floating Island of the Sleeping God » Tue Jul 29, 2014 9:46 pm
Velandia wrote:Political Correctness is getting out of hand. I got trouble in school for saying the word "retarded". The secretary lady heard me and said that's offensive.
The Blaatschapen wrote:Just to note, liberals are not sheep. Sheep are liberals ;)
by The Floating Island of the Sleeping God » Tue Jul 29, 2014 9:48 pm
United Dependencies wrote:I think Neo Art has said it best:Neo Art wrote:
*earlier quotes and responses edited out*
The whole thing about "political correctness" is just the recognition that hey, words have meanings. And maybe not always the meanings you think they have, at least not to all the same people, all the time.
See, her'es the real deal. For the most part, us non christian liberals aren't all that particularly uspet about someone telling us "merry christmas". I like the sentiment. Thank you for wishing me well. I'm not bothered by YOU, holiday happiness wisher. I'm vaguelly miffed at the cultural circumstances in which you operate.
You see, for the most part, us non christian folks just want to keep on keeping on. The days are short, the nights are cold, and we're just trying to fucking get by. We don't care about "waging a war" on christmas. We really don't fucking care what you believe, and frankly, we would just appreciate the same courtesy. All this "political correctness" goes is to say hey, when you say merry christmas, you're making assumptions about that person. And you may mean well, and it may be an honest, friendly gesture, but you're still making assumptions. Assumptions that aren't true for literally millions of people in this country. And if you really meant well, if you really, truly, wanted to wish me well, as a good christian, as a good person, is it really necessary to make that assumption? And, in fact, doesn't that assumption take away from that message a bit?
That's all "pc" wants to be, thats its only goal. To educate you. To inform you. To make you aware of what your words ACTUALLY mean. That when you say "merry christmas" it might be a nice gesture, it might be a symbol of good will. But it's also a particular assumption about the person you're saying it to, and is that an asusmption you REALLY should be making? Or does that presumption lose something? Is it REALLY come across that way? Or does it read as "have a good day, provided you believe like me". Does it raise that tiny specter of "I'm only saying this because I think you and I think alike"
All "politically correct" tries to do is inform you of the fact that if peace love and harmony is your goal, you can do that WITHOUT making assumptions about me. What you DO with that information is your choice. If your choice is to say "you're right, I will do so in a way that doesn't make assumptions" that's great. If your choice is "No! I will CONTINUE to do this and you WILL FUCKING LIKE IT!" then ok, that's your choice too.
But if, armed with this information, you still choose to make that choice, then let's drop this pretention that it's all about love and harmony, and realize what it actually is. You just want to be a dick.
Which is why the right wing I think is so furiously up in arms about this "war on christmas" bullshit. Because it does two things. One, it asks them to recognize that there are non christians in this world, something it is dead set against doing (how's that landslide shaping up WIllard?), and second, it's part of the broader "PC culture war". "PC" isn't about TELLING you what you can say, it's merely informing you of how your words are taken in the broader culture. What you DO with that knowledge is up to you. But it disarms the right wing defense. They claim it's a "war on christmas" but what it really is, is a war against their ability to throw their hands in the air, shrug their shoulders and go "what, I'm just saying Merry Christmas here, what's the problem with that? You like christmas, like a good american, don't you?"
The left wing "war on christmas" is actually just another brach on the right wing's attack on cultural education. Because once people actually LEARN what their words mean, LEARN how they're taken, LEARN the cultural interpretation of their meanings, then they don't get to hide behind the right wing's favorite weapon, ignorance.
Because when you educate people on the actual meaning of what they actual say, you take away their ability to hide behind fake ignorance, and leave them with only two options. Be a decent human being, or be a dick. And you can be a dick, if you want, that's your choice.
But that also means you have to own up to the social consequences of it. And if continuing to say "merry christmas" long after someone's explained that this is really presumptuous of your target recipient, even though you might mean well is a concious choice to say "I recognize that may actions may be insensitive, and I just don't care", and it's also a concious choice to deal with the ramifications of being perceived that way.
And if the next question is "what ramifications of being perceived that way" well, ask President Romney. Oh. That's right. You can't. He lost.
The Blaatschapen wrote:Just to note, liberals are not sheep. Sheep are liberals ;)
by Korouse » Tue Jul 29, 2014 9:48 pm
The Floating Island of the Sleeping God wrote:Velandia wrote:Political Correctness is getting out of hand. I got trouble in school for saying the word "retarded". The secretary lady heard me and said that's offensive.
Well, it sorta is. It's offensive to the mentally retarded to make light of their condition by calling things retarded instead of stupid. That's just basic reasoning.
by The Rich Port » Tue Jul 29, 2014 9:49 pm
by Geilinor » Tue Jul 29, 2014 9:50 pm
The Floating Island of the Sleeping God wrote:Velandia wrote:Political Correctness is getting out of hand. I got trouble in school for saying the word "retarded". The secretary lady heard me and said that's offensive.
Well, it sorta is. It's offensive to the mentally retarded to make light of their condition by calling things retarded instead of stupid. That's just basic reasoning.
by Korouse » Tue Jul 29, 2014 9:51 pm
by The Floating Island of the Sleeping God » Tue Jul 29, 2014 9:55 pm
Korouse wrote:The Floating Island of the Sleeping God wrote:Well, it sorta is. It's offensive to the mentally retarded to make light of their condition by calling things retarded instead of stupid. That's just basic reasoning.
He could've meant flame retardant
See, you're being sensitive and cutting to the chase.
The Blaatschapen wrote:Just to note, liberals are not sheep. Sheep are liberals ;)
by The Floating Island of the Sleeping God » Tue Jul 29, 2014 9:55 pm
The Blaatschapen wrote:Just to note, liberals are not sheep. Sheep are liberals ;)
by Yumyumsuppertime » Tue Jul 29, 2014 10:00 pm
by Yumyumsuppertime » Tue Jul 29, 2014 10:01 pm
Velandia wrote:Political Correctness is getting out of hand. I got trouble in school for saying the word "retarded". The secretary lady heard me and said that's offensive to people.
by Yumyumsuppertime » Tue Jul 29, 2014 10:02 pm
by The Floating Island of the Sleeping God » Tue Jul 29, 2014 10:07 pm
The Blaatschapen wrote:Just to note, liberals are not sheep. Sheep are liberals ;)
by Lalaki » Tue Jul 29, 2014 10:17 pm
Lalaki wrote:I always believe that there is a least offensive way to word things. If being politically correct means that I try my best to be respectful and courteous to other people by being careful with my words and using polite language, then let it be known that I am politically correct. If being politically correct means that I debate people nicely instead of rudely, let it be known that I am politically correct. If being politically correct means that I acknowledge the sensibility of others and wish to respect that, then let it be known that I am politically correct.
by Respawn » Tue Jul 29, 2014 10:32 pm
Velandia wrote:Political Correctness is getting out of hand. I got trouble in school for saying the word "retarded". The secretary lady heard me and said that's offensive to people.
by Grenartia » Wed Jul 30, 2014 9:19 am
Kelinfort wrote:Just so were clear what's being discussed:From Merriam Webster's:Politically Correct: conforming to a belief that language and practices which could offend political sensibilities (as in matters of sex or race) should be eliminated.
I know a lot of unnecessary rhetoric comes under scrutiny for being politically incorrect, but we're just discussing the above. Many of course claim that this is "onerous" and prevents truth from being told. So I want to know, NS, what is your opinion of political correctness?
As for me, I believe some of it is unnecessary and downright unneeded, however, the word political correctness is terrible for describing what it truly is: not being an asshole.
by United Dependencies » Wed Jul 30, 2014 9:36 am
Velandia wrote:Political Correctness is getting out of hand. I got trouble in school for saying the word "retarded". The secretary lady heard me and said that's offensive to people.
Alien Space Bats wrote:2012: The Year We Lost Contact (with Reality).
Cannot think of a name wrote:Obamacult wrote:Maybe there is an economically sound and rational reason why there are no longer high paying jobs for qualified accountants, assembly line workers, glass blowers, blacksmiths, tanners, etc.
Maybe dragons took their jobs. Maybe unicorns only hid their jobs because unicorns are dicks. Maybe 'jobs' is only an illusion created by a drug addled infant pachyderm. Fuck dude, if we're in 'maybe' land, don't hold back.
by Soldati Senza Confini » Wed Jul 30, 2014 9:55 am
Tekania wrote:Welcome to NSG, where informed opinions get to bump-heads with ignorant ideology under the pretense of an equal footing.
by Spoder » Wed Jul 30, 2014 9:58 am
Soldati senza confini wrote:Is it just me or most of you are in the secondary school system still?
by Arkolon » Wed Jul 30, 2014 10:02 am
Spoder wrote:Soldati senza confini wrote:Is it just me or most of you are in the secondary school system still?
*Is it just me or are most of you still in the secondary school system?
Answer: I don't know about anybody else, but I turned 14 on the 8th of February.
Don't start with your aegism BS. If you're going to do that, then please fuck off.
Advertisement
Users browsing this forum: Almonaster Nuevo, Bruh999, Imperializt Russia, Lycom, Port Carverton, San Lumen, The Two Jerseys, Tungstan
Advertisement